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FV Mom
06-01-2007, 07:02 AM
Ok, I've been doing some research again because of some odd achiness I've been having. It started on the top upper left right under the knee cap when ever I'd go into a lunge or a squat. Not a debilitating pain, but more of a dull pain that prevented me from going full range into lunges and squats. Well now I feel a dull ache in the back of the knee as well. Pretty much the whole back of my leg from the knee up is tense/sore. I know that most of the hamstring stuff is regular muscle soreness, it's just a LOT tighter than my right side.

Also ever since I was a kid, moreso in my teen years when I was really active in sports, I started getting these funky hand and toe cramps. It happens in my toes whenever I point them past a certain point. It's like the bones want to come together and I can't control them unless I release the stretch. It also happens when I do the lying runners stretch if I put my foot under my thigh.

Makes me feel oldhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifbut I know it's not that (I'm only 26 lol) because I've had the wierd foot and hand cramps (my hands rarely do it anymore) since I was a teen.

Does anyone have this condition? It sounds a lot like arthritus and I'd prefer to go the natural homeopathic route versus the medical route (because all they do pretty much is as my friend says "either drug it, cut it , or replace it" so if anyone knows of anything I can do for it let me know. What supplements should I be taking for this or what may I possibly be deficient in (no miracle juices please - I know they all cure arthritushttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)?

Thanks in advance!http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

06-01-2007, 07:41 AM
Tendinitus maybe?


It could be various things.

If the back of your knee hurts, you probably pulled your hamstring muscle believe it or not. Your hamstring muscles go down through the back of the knee. Have you tried icing after every exercise session you do? I know I had a pain in the back of my knee last week and I thought I was out of commision for a while... http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gifBut I iced it for a good hour or so & then iced it after every exercise session I did & it slowly went away.

How is your form when you do squats & lunges? Your form is VERY important when you do these types of exercises because doing it the wrong way can put a lot of strain on the knee cap & tendons.

~ Vilma

06-01-2007, 07:46 AM
Here is an interesting article on muscle cramps:


<A name=5canvitamin>Can vitamin deficiencies cause muscle cramps?</A>

Several vitamin deficiency states may directly or indirectly lead to muscle cramps. These include deficiencies of thiamine (B1), pantothenic acid (B5), and pyridoxine (B6). The role of deficiency of these vitamins in causing cramps is unknown.
VERY informative.... READ IT!!! smileys/smiley36.gifsmileys/smiley2.gif

ETA: Another article...


Edited by: veperez

06-01-2007, 07:50 AM
<H2>http://www.onhealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79901 (http://www.onhealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79901)</H2>
<H2>Fitness Q&amp;A by Richard Weil</H2>
<H2>I get agonizing cramps in my feet when I exercise. Are there any stretches or exercises that you would recommend for this problem?</H2>


Stretches and strengthening may or may not help and it depends on what the cause of the cramping (http://www.onhealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2024) is. I recommend that you check with your doctor if the exercises (http://www.onhealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=56640) I suggest do not help and the problem persists.

Here are stretches for your calves and your feet. Hold each stretch until your muscles feel looser and repeat two to three times with each leg. Do these every day.

Calf Stretch (gastrocnemius muscle)
<UL>1. Lean against a wall with both hands, and keep your back straight.

2. The leg that you want to stretch should be straight back with the heel flat on the floor.

3. Bring the other leg forward with the knee bent.

4. Move your hips toward the wall while keeping your rear foot flat on the floor.

5. Put a folded towel under the ball of your foot (keeping heel down) to lift the foot and increase the stretch.[/list]

Calf Stretch (soleus muscle)
<UL>1. Take the same starting position as the stretch above.

2. Lean forward with your hips, but this time bend the knee of the rear leg. This will put the stretch lower in your calf (near the Achilles tendon) and will also stretch the muscles in the foot.

3. Hold on to the back of a chair if you need balance.[/list]

Here are strengthening exercises. Repeat 12-15 repetitions, three sets each. Do these every other day.

Heel Raises
<UL>1. While standing with shoes on, lift your heels off the floor (end on tippy toes).

2. To accentuate the movement, stand on the edge of a step with heels off the edge (like a back dive off a diving board), and lower heels below the step, then raise. Hold the wall or banister for balance.[/list]

Towel Pull
<UL>1. Sit in a chair barefoot with your toes on the edge of a towel. Start flexing (curling) your toes and pulling the towel to draw it up under your toes.[/list]

Marble/Pencil Grab
<UL>1. Pick up marbles or pencils with your toes while sitting or standing barefoot.[/list]

Make sure that your shoes fit well in addition to the stretching and strengthening. Tight shoes, and even tight laces, can cause the muscles in the feet to cramp, particularly if you do long periods of exercise. Exercising on a cardio machine like the Elliptical, where the foot remains in the same place for long periods, can also cause cramping. Try the following if you experience cramping while on the Elliptical: (1) shifting your feet, (2) leaning your weight on your arms, (3) pedaling backward, or (4) stopping and getting off to walk around.

It's not always easy to determine the cause of cramping. In addition to the exercise conditions listed above, cramping can also be caused by medications (for example, diuretics), nutritional deficiencies, hydration status, and circulatory problems. As I mentioned above, you should check with your doctor to rule out medical causes if none of the exercises help and the cramps continue.

Take care, and thank you for your question

06-01-2007, 07:51 AM
Muscle Twitching???


06-01-2007, 07:58 AM
Did you not like my suggestions yesterday? http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif
If I were you, I would go to a chiropractor or a naturopath in your area. Someone needs to look at it. I was thinking you may have pulled something or have a tear, but since this has been going on for a while,you need to have someone look at and go from there. I wouldn't try to treat myself on this one. I mean if it had only been a couple days, yeah, I would try to do a number of different things, but seriously, you may cause more harm than good by trying to self-diagnose.

06-01-2007, 08:04 AM
OK... from the description that you gave, i'm thinking/leaning more towards tendinitis.

I found this at SparkPeople.com


<H3>What Is It?</H3>

Tendons are tough, flexible, fibrous bands of tissue that connect muscles to bones. When tendons become inflamed, irritated or suffer microscopic tears, the condition is called tendonitis. Tendons can be small, like the delicate, tiny bands in the hands, or large, like the heavy, ropelike cords that anchor the calf or thigh muscles. In most cases, tendonitis happens for one of two reasons:
<LI>Overuse particular body motion is repeated too often.</LI>
<LI>Overload — The level of a certain activity, such as weightlifting, is increased too quickly. </LI>[/list]

Tendonitis usually occurs in the shoulder, elbow, knee, wrist and heel, although it can happen anywhere in the body. For uncertain reasons, tendonitis is also common among persons with diabetes.
Tendonitis in the knee — Jumper's knee, the most common form of knee tendonitis, involves either the patellar tendon at the lower edge of the kneecap or the quadriceps tendon at the upper edge of the kneecap. It is a common overuse injury, especially in basketball players and distance runners.


In general, tendonitis causes pain in the tissues surrounding a joint, especially after the joint is used too much during play or work. In some cases, the joint also may be weak, and the area may be red, swollen and warm to the touch.

Other symptoms vary according to which tendon is affected:
Jumper's knee — Pain below the kneecap and, sometimes, above it


After reviewing your medical history, including any recent joint injuries, your doctor will ask you specific questions about your pain:


What does your pain feel like (sharp, dull, burning)?

Where is your pain located? Is it limited to one area or does it spread away from the joint to involve a wider area on your arm, leg or hand?

Do you have tingling, numbness or weakness?

When did your pain start? Did it begin after a sudden increase in your work activities or exercise? Might it be related to any new sport or exercise that you've recently tried?

What makes it feel better, and what makes it worse?

Does the pain disappear when you rest the affected area, or is it present even at rest? </LI>[/list]

In most cases, a diagnosis can be made based on your medical history and symptoms, together with your occupational and sports history and the results of your physical examination. During the physical exam, your doctor will look for tenderness, swelling, redness, muscle weakness and limited motion in the area of the sore tendon. Your doctor also may ask you to move in certain ways, such as raising your arm above your head or bending your wrist. These moves may hurt, but they are very important to help your doctor figure out which tendon is affected.

Some people may need blood tests to look for other causes of inflammation around the joints, such as gout or rheumatoid arthritis. X-rays also may be taken to confirm that there is no fracture, dislocation or bone disease. In people with Achilles tendonitis, ultrasound or magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans may be used to help evaluate the extent of tendon damage.

<H3>Expected Duration</H3>

Depending on the location and severity of tendonitis, symptoms may last for a few days or for several weeks. If there is continued overuse or aggravation of the injured site, pain may worsen and persist for several months


In many cases, tendonitis can be avoided by taking a few simple precautions. Some helpful strategies include:

Always warm up before beginning strenuous exercise.

If you want to intensify your exercise level, do it gradually.

Be careful about the "no pain, no gain" approach. It is usually hard to distinguish between an ache that indicates you're building strength and an ache that means you injured a tendon.

Avoid activities that require prolonged periods of reaching over your head, such as painting the ceiling. If you must do this kind of work, take frequent breaks.

Wear shoes that fit properly, especially if you participate in a sport that requires a lot of running, such as track, cross-country or basketball.
<LI>If your injury seems to be related to faulty technique, ask your coach or trainer for guidance. If these people cannot help, then a doctor who specializes in sports medicine may be able to suggest a competent sports professional who can guide you. </LI>
<LI>For people with medial or lateral epicondylitis related to racquet sports, changing to a racquet with a larger head may help to prevent re-injury, as long as the new racquet is not heavier than the original. Some specialists believe that this type of racquet cuts down on the transmission of vibrations to the arm.</LI>[/list]

The quicker your tendonitis is treated, the sooner you'll recover full strength and flexibility. Your doctor first may recommend that you apply ice packs to the painful area for 20-minute periods, three or four times a day. You also should ice the area immediately after any activity that aggravates your pain (such as tennis, running, etc.) To relieve pain and swelling, your doctor may suggest that you take ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin and others), aspirin or another nonprescription anti-inflammatory medication, usually for several weeks. You also will need to rest the area for a few days to a few weeks to allow your body to repair itself. For example, people with golfer's elbow usually need to rest the affected elbow for at least one month. If an infection is causing the tendonitis, you may be given antibiotics.

Depending on the location and severity of tendonitis, you may need temporary splinting, bracing or a sling (for tendonitis in the upper extremity). However, it is important to keep moving the joint to avoid getting a stiff, or "frozen," joint.

For more serious cases of noninfectious tendonitis, your doctor may inject a corticosteroid drug or local anesthetic into the affected tendon. He or she also may refer you to a physical therapist for more specialized local treatments, such as deep heat treatments using ultrasound, friction massage or water therapy to improve joint mobility. The physical therapist also will guide you through a rehabilitation program that will help you to regain strength, motion and function. The length of time for rehabilitation varies depending on the type and severity of tendonitis. For example, it is usually at least two to six months for Achilles tendonitis and at least six months for epicondylitis.

Surgery is rarely needed to treat tendonitis. It is reserved for cases that do not respond to other types of treatment.

When to Call A Doctor

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Call your doctor whenever you have a significant joint problem, such as severe pain, redness or swelling or loss of joint function. Also call your doctor if less-severe joint pain persists beyond a few days.

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<H3>Additional Info</H3>

National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin DiseasesInformation Clearinghouse1 AMS CircleBethesda, MD 20892-3675Phone: (301) 495-4484Toll-Free: (877) 226-4267Fax: (301) 718-6366TTY: (301) 565-2966 http://www.nih.gov/niams

American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons6300 North River Rd.Suite 200 Rosemont, IL 60018 Phone: (847) 823-7186 Toll-Free: (800) 346-2267 Fax: (847) 823-8125 http://www.aaos.org/

American Physical Therapy Association1111 North Fairfax St. Alexandria, VA 22314-1488 Phone: (703) 684-2782 Toll-Free: (800) 999-2782 Fax: (703) 684-7343 http://www.apta.org/

American College of Rheumatology1800 Century Place, Suite 250Atlanta, GA 30345 Phone: (404) 633-3777 Fax: (404) 633-1870 http://www.rheumatology.org/

Arthritis FoundationP.O. Box 7669 Atlanta, GA 30357-0669 Phone: (404) 872-7100 Toll-Free: (800) 283-7800 http://www.arthritis.org/

06-01-2007, 08:07 AM
Did you not like my suggestions yesterday? http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif
If I were you, I would go to a chiropractor or a naturopath in your area. Someone needs to look at it. I was thinking you may have pulled something or have a tear, but since this has been going on for a while,you need to have someone look at and go from there. I wouldn't try to treat myself on this one. I mean if it had only been a couple days, yeah, I would try to do a number of different things, but seriously, you may cause more harm than good by trying to self-diagnose.

I echo this too... as much as you don't want to, you need to get a professional to take a look at it because it HAS been going on for a long time. It's better to know exactly what is wrong &amp; then you can explore options to treat it.

I hope you feel better SOON! http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif


~ VilmaEdited by: veperez

06-01-2007, 08:09 AM
I'm not a dr. so I can't diagnose and it's hard to comment without seeing or feeling, but the knee thing sounds more like an injury vs arthritis. The back of the leg could be hurting, because your were trying to compensate for the knee pain and have aggrevated your hamstring. If you are talking about the runners stretch where you are lying on your back to stretch your quad...stop that! Too much pressure on the knee. You are better to do it side lying or standing. You also need to be stretching your hamstrings. Stretching is best after working out or at least a short warm-up. And yes, ice is your friend. :)

I always recommend calcium/magnesium to my massage clients for muscle cramping. Even slight dehydration can cause cramps, so make sure you're getting enough fluid. Omega 3 &amp; alfalfa are good for inflammation. Glucosomine may help support cartilage formation in the joints.

ETA...Until you find out for sure what is going on...I would quit doing anything that hurts. Pretty simple advice, but true. :)Edited by: happymommy

FV Mom
06-01-2007, 10:17 AM
Did you not like my suggestions yesterday? http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif
If I were you, I would go to a chiropractor or a naturopath in your area. Someone needs to look at it. I was thinking you may have pulled something or have a tear, but since this has been going on for a while,you need to have someone look at and go from there. I wouldn't try to treat myself on this one. I mean if it had only been a couple days, yeah, I would try to do a number of different things, but seriously, you may cause more harm than good by trying to self-diagnose.

No, actually Ihonestly forgot about ithttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gifI'm really sleepy today lol. I gotta stop taking my calcium in the morning lol. It really knocks me outhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifI want to make a Chiro appointment soon lol, hubby just says "it's fine".http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gifMen are so much tougher than us.http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifI do have to say though, I took your advice about doing cool it off and it feels fine after my nap. I'm probably not sleeping enough which isn't giving my body sufficient time to healhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

Thanks Vilma for all the information! It sounds a lot like jumpers knee (as it started when I was doing the higher impact jumping moves in Turbo Jam. But the reason I asked about Artritus is this:


<H3 align=left>Top 3 Reasons Why You Suffer From Pain In The Back Of The Knee</H3>
A short list of the most common reasons people suffer from some kind of pain or strange feelings behind the knee
<H3 align=left>By Marc David</H3>

Pain behind the knee is something many of us have or might experience if we play sports that involve bending at the knees, running, tennis, or any activity that puts strain on the area. Here are some things you need to keep in mind if you ever experience such pain behind the knee:

1. Possible Arthritis

This is one of the most common causes of pain in the knee. In fact, if you are over the age of 65 one in two of you have arthritis with the knee been one of the most common joints involved.

The pain of arthritis is usually a dull tooth ache pain that is occasionally sharp with sudden movements. The pain is usually located over your joint line (where the tibia meets the femur) and in the front of the knee. Mild and sometimes severe swelling is associated with this pain. The pain is worse when you exit a chair or car. It is also worse with any prolonged walking or standing. The pain is usually better with rest, heat (sometimes ice), wrapping the knee and pain medication.

Occasionally the knee may catch on the rough uneven surfaces of your cartilage. Patients often complain of grinding in the knee, and occasional popping.

Especially the underlined and the fact that I've had the arthritus like cramping in my hands and feet most of my life (though less often in the hands)

Other Jennsmileys/smiley36.gifthanks for the advice. You know I used to have a really nasty neck pain! It was so bad I couldn't lift my head or barely turn it without feeling a sharp pain. I started taking 3 Omega 3's a day and the pain went away. I switched to flax thinking it would work the same, but the pain came back. I'm gonna try 6 fish oils and see if that helps the knee stuff too (since hubby is not keen on going to the doc yetsmileys/smiley24.gif)

I definately have good form doing lunges and squats. Always have lol. I never even knew you could make the knee go past the toe!smileys/smiley3.gifThen again, I've been in sports all my life and that was one of the first things I learned.

Jeen (other Jennsmileys/smiley36.gif), how many mg of calcium and magnesium do you have your patients take?

~ Debi ~
06-01-2007, 12:27 PM
OMG I hate my computer! Every time I have a response here, it changes screens on me and I lose everything!

ANYWAY - I was saying that since I started running a few months ago, I am now having trouble with tendinitis in my knee. I went to my Doctor and he sent me to a physical therapist. I go 2x a week for stretching, exercises, strength training &amp; ultrasounds on my knee. I am still having pain - in fact, it is also hurting on the inside of my knee now...which we have to work on next week.

I would definitely sugest seeing your doctor and then seeing what they recommend. You don't want to keep exercising on an injured knee! You could do more damage...

Good luck!!

FV Mom
06-02-2007, 01:46 PM
Just wanted to update everyone! I added stretching to my routine (finally! I'm so bad about the stretching lol) and that helped a lot. Well I doubled my Omega 3 intake and and my glucosamine and the knee pain is GONE! See Jenn? Just needed a little WD40smileys/smiley36.gif inside joke everyone lol)

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