posted August 15, 2001 02:14 AM
Hi there I liked the way Steph said that her callers were all people "looking for friends". I have managed psychic, adult, commercial help desks and charitable information lines and my unfailing rule is that the caller should end the call feeling "better" in some way. More knowledgable, empowered, more optimistic, more relaxed ...whatever. This is what I tell my staff who work my adult lines - a caller may be looking for many things, including erotic conversation, but at the end of it all, whatever the type of call the caller should hang up the call with the thought that they have been talking with a FRIEND who doesn't judge or preach, but who listens. And we all know how good that feels if we have a problem
posted August 17, 2001 08:03 PM
Eve and other Phone Actresses, currently I am checking out phone actress.com and a couple of others...I want to make top dollar and get lots of talk time as well - we can't always get just what we want - lol! Who are the most reputable companies from the experience of you ladies already in the biz? Very cool that there is now a board for phone actresses - Thanks...Any ladies who can offer advice on a good company please reply to [email protected] ;-)
quote:Originally posted by eve: I have actually worked for phoneactress.com and the pay rate is about/roughly 14.00 an hour...The actrress is a independent contractor and must pay taxes and such out of the hourly talk time rate..To recieve the 14 range, one must answer 75 calls during a 1 week period and have a call average of 14 minutes...This is not a easy task seeing that there is not a minumum for purchased time.. Recieving calls is not a esy task..At any given time 400 ladies are logged on to the system..Time in between calls averages 30 minutes...Theorectically , one can be logged in for 8 hours and only get 1 hour of talk time...
QUOTE]Originally posted by seena: [b]Kare - I manage phone sex workers in an Aussie company and my best homeworkers make Aus$40 -$50(gross) per logged-on hour; they are just not interested in $20 for a referral, and have all their friends and neighbours know what they do for a living! best wishes
posted August 19, 2001 12:01 AM
Hi girls its webmom76 again. It has been a while scince I have been on and I was working for a service I no longer agree with. They were good until they started to change the pay policies. I like being paid fair for my time!
I am working for a new service that I enjoy! If your intrested please let me know email me I will get you started.
posted August 20, 2001 08:42 AM
Hi All! I was just scanning through message boards came across the link to this site and started reading about wahm undercover. I am very happy to see this site. I myself have been doing research in the work at home businesses. I came across the ad about the phone sex business. First let me say I spit my coffee out and nearly choked
I am a disabled single mom. My boyfriend and family basically support me and my daughter. Ok let me get to the point... I have read through the responses to the phone sex thing and I am a christian. ( My spelling sucks bear with me)I dont think it is cheating because your not physically having sex with another person. I told my boyfriend about this and ask him his thoughts... from his point of view it doesnt matter whether you physically have sex or mentally its cheating! So from his standpoint hes against it. I also agree that if you have to hide it from your friends and family you shouldnt be doing it. In the beginning of the summer, I was looking locally for jobs I can do at home and came across and ad in the local paper hiring female escorts. I laughed and called the number to see what exactly they wanted. They said any age woman can apply as long as you have a nice appearance. That the job would entail escorting gentleman to casinos or various outings. I called my boyfriend at work and told him and asked him if I should find out more. I am an educated woman, I must of lost my brain for a few minutes because he said what do you think you are going to get paid for? taking these guys out to dinner or to the casino? not they are gonna want you to have sex doh! I know I got off topic but I just wanted to show how when money gets tight the things mothers are willing to do to support thier families! I like to end my ramble with a saying "those who are without sin may cast the first stone".
quote:Originally posted by crazya73: I was looking locally for jobs I can do at home and came across and ad in the local paper hiring female escorts. I laughed and called the number to see what exactly they wanted. They said any age woman can apply as long as you have a nice appearance. That the job would entail escorting gentleman to casinos or various outings. I called my boyfriend at work and told him and asked him if I should find out more. I am an educated woman, I must of lost my brain for a few minutes because he said what do you think you are going to get paid for? taking these guys out to dinner or to the casino? not they are gonna want you to have sex doh! I know I got off topic but I just wanted to show how when money gets tight the things mothers are willing to do to support thier families! I like to end my ramble with a saying "those who are without sin may cast the first stone".
Actually I worked for an escort service 2 years ago for a few months. I answered the phones and made sure that the girls were paid and that everything went off with out a hitch. I can tell you that NO one was paid for sex. Allot of guys expected it and I had the job of explaing that prostitution is illegal and we didnt do it. Besides I know I am worth allot more than 185$ an hour! Guys eventually learned that they were paying to date someone. (made allot of them seem small) What some of them learned if they got out of hand that through the Credit Card info I had access to the home number where usually the Mrs was. On one occasion I 3 wayed and called the wife so she can hear her hubby whine about paying 185$ and not getting sex.
Personally I was proud to call his wife because I would rather know then let my hubby come back with an STD.
posted October 14, 2001 02:53 AM
Wow, thought-provoking is right! My first instinct was no, of course you shouldn't! Then, I got to thinking about film and television actors and actresses and the work they do. If the sex is an integral part of the story, and just a portion of the entire film, it's pretty much been accepted as standard operating procedure. Plenty of happily married performers have simulated various degrees of sexual acts in films and plays and their spouses don't object because it's part of the profession.
That said, isn't part of the definition of pornography that it is designed for the purpose of sexually stimulating the reader/watcher? If that's the only reason for the phone acting to exist, then it's a form of porn. BUT, as one phone actress said in her post, that isn't always what it's about.
Most of the ladies who have said they do phone acting are single moms. I think it's best that married or committed people do not do this acting. Even though the actress may not be getting emotionally/physically/sexually involved, the person on the other end of the line probably is, and that makes it as much cheating as Internet sex, or the nonsexual office affairs that are written about in women's magazines. That's my two cents.
quote:Originally posted by hbananas: Plenty of happily married performers have simulated various degrees of sexual acts in films and plays and their spouses don't object because it's part of the profession..
Many do it, yes. Many more tolerate it, true. Does that make it right?
posted October 24, 2001 01:53 PM
I am new here, but I had to chime in on this. I've done phone sex off and on for 9 years. I have 3 children, the youngest isn't a year yet, and I'm not about to send them off to daycare.
No, phone sex is not for everyone. It's not an easy job. You are paid per minute (usually, altho some companies pay per call, a flat rate, depending on the length of call the caller purchases). Some nights I make $100, last night I made $7.00. You have to know what the callers want, and you have to be able to vary your calls to keep repeat clients interested. You have to figure out very quickly how to get the job done, cause these guys are paying by the minute, and most of them want to spend the least amount of time on the phone. Yes, I laugh alot, but I also get burned out. We do get guys who just, for whatever reason, don't have a partner, but we also get sickos. Thankfully, the sickos are in the minority.
I do this so that I can maintain a stable home for my children. If God chooses to judge me, and send me to hell for the way I chose to make sure my children always had their mommy when they needed her, so be it. I'd rather go to hell knowing my children were never harmed by a caregiver, or robbed of their mother, than go to Heaven knowing otherwise.
My husband knows what I do, and is content that I'm not "hooking up" with anyone. He has even listened to a few calls, and hears me laughing as I walk out of the room I do calls in.
As a "veteran" of this kind of work, I'd like to offer some advice to anyone considering taking this job:
1. Do not EVER consider meeting a client, even if you're single and you've talked to him for HOURS!
2. When looking for employment, ask some basic quesions...how much do they pay, how often, when does the first check come, and most importantly, can you see EVERYTHING in writing before you start. If they aren't willing to send you a contract, or if the contract does NOT include payment information, forget it!
3. If you're working as an independent contractor, they cannot require you to work a specific schedule, and you cannot be fired for not doing so. Yes, they will want a schedule, they need to know when their phones will be covered, and if a client calls and requests you, they need to know when to tell him to call back, but if you take a day off of your schedule, you cannot be penalized for it.
4. Make sure they understand the difference between an employee and an independent contractor. If you don't, go to the IRS website and read up. If they consider you an employee, they should be taking taxes out of your check. If they aren't, you are an independent contractor.
5. Ask them where they advertise-they should be able to tell you. If they can't, forget it. They won't bring in enough business to be worth it. If their advertising is limited to free web advertising, forget it. If they actually pay to advertise somewhere (print ads, TV, their own website, links on paid internet sites), then they score points there.
6. They cannot MAKE you take any kind of calls...if you are uncomfy doing certain types of calls, they have to respect that-that's part of being an independent contractor-you can't be penalized for turning down types of calls which you find morally degrading.
7. Keep ALL your paperwork-everything they ever sent you, for the entire time you are employed with them, and for at least 1 yr afterwards.
8. They should have been in business for at least 3 yrs. There are TONS of companies out there right now...pick one tha's been around for awhile!
posted October 24, 2001 06:27 PM
i will apologize in advance for this being off topic. i am not going to state my opinion because it has already been said by several other people in several different ways.
one thing i noticed was that in so many message boards people get so angry at one another like it was for a while on this one - though it did get more civilized towards the end. i know that people feel passionaltely about certain things. i just don't understand why so many people get offended when people have a different opinion than they do. sometimes i don't post to a board simply because it gets so heated. anyway i just wish people could have different opinions without insulting one another. again i apologize about being off topic and this isn't the only message board i am talking about. i just don't understand.
posted October 28, 2001 01:57 AM
In my humble oponion, I would not personally choose to do phone acting. But for those who have their reasons for choosing this career, it's a free country. I would no sooner take away your right to live and practice your religion than to take away your right to make a living the way you choose. If nobody is being hurt then where is the harm?
posted October 31, 2001 05:32 PM
What's the difference between saying these things to someone in the same room looking at you and saying it over the phone? The person on the phone can't see you, but does that make it less improper? Just my opinion, I don't think this is a good WAHM job
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quote:Originally posted by Jewel: Many do it, yes. Many more tolerate it, true. Does that make it right?
How do you know they tolerate it? You are assuming they do. You are putting your beliefs on other people when you speak for them. You might THINK 'many more" tolerate but how the heck do you really know?
What about male actors who are now choosing to be nude? Bruce Willis, Ewan McGregor, and others?
Just because YOU find nudity degrading doesn't mean everyone does. To many the human body is a living piece of art and a miracle.
I think it is very important that while we may state our opinions freely, that we do not go off on speaking for anyone elses life. And to the person who asked why message boards can get angry and childish... that's exactly why.
quote:Originally posted by mahoes: What's the difference between saying these things to someone in the same room looking at you and saying it over the phone? The person on the phone can't see you, but does that make it less improper? Just my opinion, I don't think this is a good WAHM job
Won't that depend on what I define "proper" as? There are parents who tell their kids not to do drugs and then go out with their friends and get "high". I babysat for people like that once. Totally upstanding professional people who got "high" on the weekends. I found that improper. They didn't.
What if I am in the same room and look some man in the eye and talk like that? So? I can live my life any way I see fit. I don't have to live by someone elses definition of improper behavior.
My opinion is that if it hurts no one then it is ok to do. I think the moral discussion is a good one, but we don't all live by the same morals.
quote:Originally posted by hbananas: That said, isn't part of the definition of pornography that it is designed for the purpose of sexually stimulating the reader/watcher? If that's the only reason for the phone acting to exist, then it's a form of porn. BUT, as one phone actress said in her post, that isn't always what it's about.
Any debate about pornography is really a debate about morality and law. Most people seem to think morality and law are co-extensive, or that they should be.
To some people porn is an instrument of absolute evil, destroying individuals and families, while to others, pornography is not only neutral but benign, an instrument of growth and self-expression and a Constitutionally-protected right.
I define pornography broadly, as any text or image (still or moving) explicitly portraying sexual acts. This simple definition excludes solo nudity and phone sex conversations.
Pornography has no legal meaning; what is forbidden as a crime is not pornography but obscenity. And obscenity is the extreme, perhaps even the violent.
Some pornography is liberating for women to view. Some is degrading and may encourage men to acts of violence, perhaps not directly but by aiding the subtle creation of a world view which says that sexual violence is not violence. The question is whether it should be the law's decision, or the individual's, which pornography is good and which is bad.
The F.C.C regulates phone sex. It can not discuss any topic that is considered to be Obscenity. Sex is a normal healthy part of ALL of our lives. What's the difference if you read the words in books? See the pictures in blockbuster movies? Or speak them to a someone?
Phone sex is not pornography. Demi Moore posed naked on the cover of a magazine is not porn either. Women wearing lingerie in a Victoria's Secret Catalog posed in seductive positions is not porn. Yet all the above may sexually stimulate any normal healthy male.
posted November 12, 2001 08:39 AM
What an intriguing and smart question to ask! I think it all will depend on how liberal mined and modern a woman is as to how she will feel about this topic. Sex has always been dirty business for women in a closed minded world. We have a double edged sword due to all forms of suppression. Woman are judged as whores, while the men get sympathy for having an addiction. If men did not use it and want it then the business wouldn't survive. Men rule the world, therefore the anger and fear directed at these actresses is misguided. In my opinion, fantasy is not the same as reality, and a voice is not the same as a physical body.
quote:Originally posted by Katie CBC: How do you know they tolerate it? You are assuming they do. You are putting your beliefs on other people when you speak for them. You might THINK 'many more" tolerate but how the heck do you really know?
What about male actors who are now choosing to be nude? Bruce Willis, Ewan McGregor, and others?
Just because YOU find nudity degrading doesn't mean everyone does. To many the human body is a living piece of art and a miracle.
I think it is very important that while we may state our opinions freely, that we do not go off on speaking for anyone elses life. And to the person who asked why message boards can get angry and childish... that's exactly why.
the whole purpose of this board is for people to express their opinions or thoughts. your post was the kind of post i was talking about. i think people should be entiltled to their own opinion - especially on a question like this. the whole point was to get as many varying views as you can. it definately shouldn't cause so much contention. i love this message board because for the most part everyone is very supportive of each other. you don't have to agree - i just wish people didn't take things so personally
posted November 12, 2001 11:44 AM
I have to agree with jenye (previous post) . I constantly am checking the wahm boards for fresh and new ideas. I love visiting here and seeing what different wahm's doing to support and help out their families.
quote:Originally posted by jilliestar1: ps sorry abou the typos in my last post it is 3 30 am and i am very sleepy . hehe hehe love to everyone have a great day!!!
hi i read your post and i am looking for work in pone acting please email me with more info thanks at [email protected]
posted November 20, 2001 08:54 PM
Moonstone721 and amberj have given some of the most interesting and intelligent points of debate I have read for a long time. I have to say that, like most Europeans, I view violence, guns etc as far and away more obscene than any form of consensual adult sexual behaviour - be it in real life or on the phone ...
quote:Originally posted by seena: I have to say that, like most Europeans, I view violence, guns etc as far and away more obscene than any form of consensual adult sexual behaviour - be it in real life or on the phone ...
Regards Seena
You know, I am appalled by all of the sexual immorality that exists in the world today, but I agree with you, Seena, about the violence. There is no questioning whether or not violence harms people. Certainly according to man's standards, violence is worse than consentual, adult sex. According to my beliefs, sin is sin in the eyes of God, but I can't help but think it is worse to directly harm someone with an act of violence.
I am very interested in getting started in this. How do I go about getting started? I used to have phone sex with an old boyfriend,(long distance relationship). and apparently was a pretty good actress. I am wondering about things like, do I need a seperate phone line or special hook up or what? please send information. Thanks.
posted December 07, 2001 02:43 PM
Well hello girls... Long time no post I know. Well I had my son Aaron! He is soooo cute. My 2 year old daughter Nikki is so protective of him yesterday we went for his 2 month shots and she threw herself to the floor and screamed for us to stop hurting her aaron. (Breaks a mommy's heart)
Yes I am still doing phone on a less frequent basis. I am only doing calls with my regulars because I have little time with the baby and I am still bringing in 1000 a month. If its right or if its wrong.... well one day I will know. I just know its right for me. I am home with my kids and I am the one taking care of them. I dont do phone in front of them that would be sick! I only do it when both of them are sleeping... those of us who remember there infants first few months knows I have no time.
posted December 18, 2001 06:32 PM
I have been looking for home based work ever scince my daughter was born 9 months ago and all i have found is a bunch of scams untill I found the infamous "phone counselors" ad so i replied i was very interested called long distance on my cell phone only to be told that you have to have "life experiance" meaning that just because I am "only" 21 yrs old i dont have enough life experiences to warrent being a phone counselor...and i have one thing to say I have been though more in my small life time than i ever care to remember!Age should not matter in life experiences! As for the phone sex;my husband would probably enjoy it truth be told!!!lol And most likely ther are no age restrictions!! infact most men think the younger the better...and i know im probably alone in my views but thats the way it goes!!! Extreamly frustrated Becki Rasmussen
posted January 16, 2002 02:47 AM
Well, I have gotten caught up for the last hour reading reply after reply, mostly in absolute shock. You see at one time I was a single mother, and did things that now cause me to hang my head in shame to pay the bills. Even though I said "hey you gotta do what you gotta do to pay the bills" there was that teeny tiny spot that was uncomfortable with it all. So now when I say what I say, I come from a place of "walking in your shoes". #1 Phone sex is immoral. #2 Phone sex is adultery. #3 God does not condone phone sex. #4 There are jobs that WAHMs should NOT do.
The word of God is clear on the issue of sexual immorality. It says to rid ourselvs of ALL sexual immorality, even the 'hint' of it. And I think that even the ones in that job, would agree, that phone sex falls outside the 'box' of morality. Phone actresses as they are called, are acting, they are acting out a scene designed to cause the other person to LUST. Which leads to point 2. It is adultery. Jesus says, ( and for those who say they are Christians.. he is the one we are supposed to pick up our cross and follow) That if a man so much as lusts after a woman in his heart, he has commited adultery.(the scripture can be applied to woman as well)AND in Proverbs the word CLEARLY warns of the wayward wife, luring the man with her seductive words. Also on that note, some one used Mary Magdeline as an example to condone phone sex. Let me explain about Mary. Mary had been quite the permiscous woman,But when Jesus encountered her he delivered her of 7 demons and she was forgiven for her heathen ways, and was eternally grateful, that is why she wept at Jesus feet and washed them with her tears, she was grateful for the mercy the Lord bestowed on her, and she LEFT her life of SIN. All of these lead to the final point. The Lord, God the Father, to whom we cry ABBA Father, does not condone phone sex. He doesnt condone alot of other sin, but let us not use that as an excuse to excuse this one. I also would like to add, that sexual sin is differnt then all other, I Cor 6:9, for all other sin is done outside the body but sexual sin, is done to the body, and do you not know your body is the temple of the Lord. and in the 1st chapter of Romans, our Lord speaks thru His word, that the truth has been put in all of us, therefore we are without excuse. Our circumstances, do not make it okay to break the rules. And as far as that person who is going to spout of "do not cast stones" That means not to condemn someone to death. I am not condmening anyone to death. Merely pointing out fact in what the Word of God says. and if the Word says it then God says it because in John 1, we are told that in the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
To my sisters struggling, single, and running ragged. God is sooo much bigger then our bills, then our debt, then our worries. God is bigger then any problem we have. We need to have faith that the Lord can provide a job that is in HIS will, that is a good paying job, and in the meantime, when you have stood, keep on standing in faith, and store up your treasures in heaven where they matter. God does not want his children to go hungry on earth, worrying day in and day out how to pay the bills, and he does not want his daughters degrading themselves and tearing up marraiges to pay their bills. God will make a way where there seems to be no way.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: Yes some jobs should not be done at home. Like prostitution... Escorts But phone sex is not illegal and you are not in any physical danger
Okay HELLO I know that in my life time.... All of 24 years I have not always practiced but I have ALWAYS respected GOD. I am not married to GOD. I did not become a nun. I am a healty happy woman who sells her soul to NO ONE.
I do work for a phone sex line. This morning I was on A call that was talking for 55 min he was just lonely he wanted to talk about football and the internet. He could have been jerking off listening to me talk about teaching myself how to design websites. He could have gotten off hearing about html coding or Dhtml. Not all of these men talk about sex. Sex is not unhealthy. It is something that I gladly experience with only my husband! If I have a guy who talks about it thats fine with me.
I am able to go to church on Sunday and hold my head up. DH makes enough to support our family, I still like the idea that I will be making sure that my daughter is able to have EVERYTHING that she needs and then some. She has alot of talents that are god given and not a day goes by that I am not grateful for every hair on her head.
Like I said before MY GOD DOES NOT JUDGE! It says so in my bible. I started doing this to make sure my cousin went along with me and made enough money to put groceries in her house. She was ashamed that I was buying them online and sending them to her. She felt bad that I paid her electric bill.
It scared me to be an at home mom. It scared me to work the phones. What scares me more is that pride can make a family go hungry.
GOD will take care of you. GOD will make sure that you have what you need and if he only shows you the window you need open it.
Um God does not judge? Wouldnt that be convienent. *rolls eyes* Yes what is okay for you may not work for me.. Im okay your okay blah blah blah. I am not better then you, I have sin in my life. for "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" .. Let us not be decieved however that we are not in sin, when we are. Let us not be decieved into thinking God does not record our every action..our every word. Jesus tells us that we will give account for EVERY IDLE word spoken.. When you give a set of rules to your child, along with possible consequences and rewards to his/her behaivor. Are you judging her when she disobeys and you must follow thru with your discipline? Are you judging her by showing her she is in disobedience? Do you still love her when you are dolling out the said discipline. Remember you explained to her very clearly what was accpetible behaivor and what wasnt, and remember you explained to her very clearly the reward for obedience and the consquence for disobeying. Or do you allow her to disobey and live in lawlessness? Because "She's okay Your okay" I mean if inour imperfection we can say we dont parent like that, how much more of a better parent is our Abba Father? I mean come on now, how many of you would really announce in schools at the PTA meeting what you did for a living? Would bring your daughter/son .. to bring your kid to work day? Would you explain to her second grade class what mommy did for a living? Do what you want to do, But do not lie against the Lord Almighty.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: Yes some jobs should not be done at home. Like prostitution... Escorts But phone sex is not illegal and you are not in any physical danger
Okay HELLO I know that in my life time.... All of 24 years I have not always practiced but I have ALWAYS respected GOD. I am not married to GOD. I did not become a nun. I am a healty happy woman who sells her soul to NO ONE.
I do work for a phone sex line. This morning I was on A call that was talking for 55 min he was just lonely he wanted to talk about football and the internet. He could have been jerking off listening to me talk about teaching myself how to design websites. He could have gotten off hearing about html coding or Dhtml. Not all of these men talk about sex. Sex is not unhealthy. It is something that I gladly experience with only my husband! If I have a guy who talks about it thats fine with me.
I am able to go to church on Sunday and hold my head up. DH makes enough to support our family, I still like the idea that I will be making sure that my daughter is able to have EVERYTHING that she needs and then some. She has alot of talents that are god given and not a day goes by that I am not grateful for every hair on her head.
Like I said before MY GOD DOES NOT JUDGE! It says so in my bible. I started doing this to make sure my cousin went along with me and made enough money to put groceries in her house. She was ashamed that I was buying them online and sending them to her. She felt bad that I paid her electric bill.
It scared me to be an at home mom. It scared me to work the phones. What scares me more is that pride can make a family go hungry.
GOD will take care of you. GOD will make sure that you have what you need and if he only shows you the window you need open it.
Um God does not judge? Wouldnt that be convienent. *rolls eyes* Yes what is okay for you may not work for me.. Im okay your okay blah blah blah. I am not better then you, I have sin in my life. for "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" .. Let us not be decieved however that we are not in sin, when we are. Let us not be decieved into thinking God does not record our every action..our every word. Jesus tells us that we will give account for EVERY IDLE word spoken.. When you give a set of rules to your child, along with possible consequences and rewards to his/her behaivor. Are you judging her when she disobeys and you must follow thru with your discipline? Are you judging her by showing her she is in disobedience? Do you still love her when you are dolling out the said discipline. Remember you explained to her very clearly what was accpetible behaivor and what wasnt, and remember you explained to her very clearly the reward for obedience and the consquence for disobeying. Or do you allow her to disobey and live in lawlessness? Because "She's okay Your okay" I mean if inour imperfection we can say we dont parent like that, how much more of a better parent is our Abba Father? I mean come on now, how many of you would really announce in schools at the PTA meeting what you did for a living? Would bring your daughter/son .. to bring your kid to work day? Would you explain to her second grade class what mommy did for a living? Do what you want to do, But do not lie against the Lord Almighty.
posted January 16, 2002 08:02 PM
Wow! this is a long one! But good. I read all these posts...boy that took awhile. I cant believe half this stuff.
You "Religious" people keep saying it is wrong. But I must disagree...yes, if we have lust in our heart that is adultery, but no one here is lusting over anything! They are doing their job point blank. It's fake, it's acting! Is acting a sin? If it is I want to know just whos Bible you are reading. I admit I am not a Christian, nor am I a Catholic. I have studied almost every religion there is (sort of a hobby of mine) and chosen the path that is right for me. I dont find it immoral, how can taking care of your family and being home with your kids be immoral anyways? I DO NOT see how you compare it to prostitution at all! That is an absurd comparison. Prostitutes sell their BODY for money...these people are just talking on the phone for goodness sake! Get real. They arent doing anything to hurt anyone, they arent hurting their families, themselves or anyone else. As for the hiding from your kids thing, that is a personal call for each individual. There is no rule that says your kids need to know what you do to pay the bills. I dont think my kids even care what I do, as long as they have food to eat and a house to live in. Might I mention that we were homeless for over a month, so they know what it is like to be without a home. Its not adultery, its not cheating, there is nothing wrong with it. Here I am defending it and its not even what I do, although I am considering it now that I see how much these people make! I'm a telemarketer and Im not making that much. For you "religious people that are saying this is wrong for these people to do, I think you all need to pick up your good book again and read it over once more and reread it. Perhaps you might try believing what YOU believe and not what someone else tells you to believe. <- personal opinion not meant to offend anyone.
That was my 2 cents I dont want to upset offend or anything else...just adding my little bit to the discussion.
posted January 16, 2002 11:57 PM
Couldn't agree more Terrapin. I take those last few posts very personally. One thing I enjoy most in my callers is their lack of judgement. Believe it or not, my callers have respect for me - because I never would degrade them or be insulting. It's funny how just a little "understanding" goes such a long way in life. I bet God likes it too.
posted January 17, 2002 01:50 PM
I think a job is a job. She is not putting herself in danger or her children. A phone sex operator is no different than a Grocerystore clerk. I feel people only look down on these things becasue they think that sex is evil. Good God! Live a little. If phone sex makes you happy the screw the rest of you!
posted January 17, 2002 01:58 PM
I am a firm beleiver in God but I do think you are getting out of hand. There are so many undescribable acts that happen these days that did not happen then. The bible was rewritten many times older. It is stupid to belive that everything in there is the word of God. You think phone sex is bad, take a look in the mirror. You are being brainwashed by your own religion. Dont even tell me that sex is evil and sex is sin. The only evil here is that your church has sucked you dry!
posted January 17, 2002 02:24 PM
I am a firm beleiver in God but I do think you are getting out of hand. There are so many undescribable acts that happen these days that did not happen then. The bible was rewritten many times over. It is stupid to belive that everything in there is the word of God. You think phone sex is bad, take a look in the mirror. You are being brainwashed by your own religion. Dont even tell me that sex is evil and sex is sin. The only evil here is that your church has sucked you dry! As for a job a working mom shouldnt do? I believe a job you shouldnt do is preach your "faith" to everyone. IT is not teaching your kids diversity.
posted January 17, 2002 03:21 PM
No, sex is not evil and sex is not sin, in and of itself. It is something that God gave us to be shared between a husband and his wife. It is a sad comment on our society that in order to "live a little" so many seem to think that out of wedlock sexual acts are necessary.
posted January 17, 2002 11:40 PM
The choice to work as an operator is just that.... a choice. And while making any choice in our own lives.... we ask our personal "creator" for guidance, we speak to our families, we talk to our friends, we examine our options, our own morals, and our own goals.
An opinion is only as informed as the person who states it is. While all opinions are valuable, let us all understand that "experience", emotional reasons, and logic are not always involved. In other words, some people in this world of diversity can create an opinion based on ignorance, jealousy, religion, morals, or an emotional situation which occurred in their lives. "We" as simple human beings think that our opinions are facts, and we take them too personally sometimes.
As a good person - and despite what I do for a living - I believe I am a good person.... I would never harshly judge, ridicule, or degrade someone by any LEGAL job they chose to do for a living. What I do with my life is not anyone elses concern, and it is not their duty to "rescue" me either. IN MY OPINION I believe completely in what I do, and I am very proud of it! I'm smart, educated, talented, warm, caring, understand, and non-judgemental. I've learned to talk to men from different religions, cultures, who are fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, and so forth.
This question has lasted a long, and even heated debate. Many of the accusations have been nothing more than just that - accusations. It is a matter of opinion and choice for each woman. Some women are not interested and that's fine
It's been asked politely... and in a crude fashion... to leave the religion talk OFF this discussion. But I have yet to see it respected. For the life of me, I can't understand why. You see - I am not afraid of, annoyed by, intimidated by, or angry with God.... but occasionally his followers can offend me. So to clear up any misunderstandings, it might be nice if some would leave the preaching off the board.
I am not "preaching" my work to everyone - I simply explain that if a woman has an interest to go out online and get informed. Educate yourself, make your OWN CHOICE. If you decide to go into it - great and best of luck to you, but if you are opposed (uncomfortable, bothered, embarrassed) for any reason, then it is not for you. Find out yourself what this work REALLY is and decide yourself.
I might add that *I* am not right either. Nope, and I don't "claim" to be because I am not trying to sway anyone to my way. I believe that by educating women on ALL of the work at home options that are out there -every mom can find something. Phone Sex work IS an option for some. This work is NOT for everyone and it is not easy money. To imply that it is would be is a lie. It's darn hard work that is also extremely rewarding!
posted January 18, 2002 07:29 AM
I don't even know where to start. First off let me say that I am a Christian. Secondly, let me say that I am struggling to find a decent job that I can do at home that doesn't require me living somewhere else or paying someone something. Thirdly, though I would never see myself doing any kind of work as a phone actress, I have to admit that recently, I have thought about other at home employment opprotunities that might go against what I believe would be wise to do as a Christian.
With that said, I truly believe that if you are a Christian and you are considering this line of work or think it is okay, than maybe you need to spend some time in the Bible checking your thoughts agianst what God says is necessary for us to be holy and set apart. That is what I had to do. But if you are not a Christian, than why should we ask you to hold yourself to standards that you don't believe in. It doesn't make sense. I can only lead by example and hope that has an impact. But I can't expect you to get where I am coming from just by telling you what the Bible says. It would hold no weight if you don't believe in it as truth. And yes, there are some of you who though not a Christian, still find this line of work wrong or not right for you. You have your reasons. All I can say is that I am in a situation where jobs like this seem to be the only thing I can find and the only reason I am not researching more is because as a Christian it would be wrong for me. But if I wasn't a Christian. . .hmmm. . .I'd have to think about that one.
Lastly, for those of you who are not a Christian (and feel that those who are and have expressed that they feel that "phone acting" is wrong are being judgemental), there is a difference between judging someone and calling something they engage in a sin. Yes, no one is without sin but we Christians like to practice something called accountability. And to us this means that we are responsible for helping another Christian not sin. Even if it means pointing out something they are engaging in at the risk of seeming "judgemental." Unfortunatley to some people who are not Christians, every other view can be expressed unless it is a Christian practicing accountability.
Now, to those of you who are Christian moms working at home (or those who are not Christian but don't work for psychic hotlines or phone sex companies) I could really use your help in finding a job that I could do that would keep me true to my beliefs but bring another income to my family's table. If you are willing to share your jobs and what you do or have done I would greatly appreciate it.
Oh, and this might be a good example of what I meant by not using standards that not everyone believes in but leading by example.
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I would like to offer moral support in stating that (in my belief as a Christian) we are encouraged to pray to God for our needs with the belief in our heart that He will provide for us. The Bible states for us to look at the birds in the skies and remember that, if He (God) would care for them so well, then are we not more important than they; would He not provide for our every need as well? I rely on this belief every day in my life. I am blessed in that my husband and I have stable jobs, but money is still tight and there have been times I have been desperate, but I cannot say that I would ever be desperate enough to speak to any other man the way I speak to my husband. Ours is a sacred bond given by our Heavenly Father. Even if that was not true, it would hurt my husband too badly if he knew, and since we have no secrets, he would definitely know. As well, I do not feel I should ever do anything I would be ashamed of my God or my family knowing about or would need to hide from them for any reason. When I think of this subject, I think of my baby girl, and I wonder if I would ever want to see her doing this as a profession...the answer comes back from my heart as a resounding "NO".
To the lady who said she is an "atheist", I have but one thing to ask... Who created you? The blueprint you were made from didn't just appear out of thin air. (I'm not trying to be nasty or poke fun...just thought provoking.) I was taught in my religious upbringing that, if we deny Jesus Christ, then He too will deny us to His Father on Judgment Day. I guess I'm just trying to say, please choose carefully. Your soul is an undying spirit that will live on once your body has passed on. Where you would have your soul to live is in your hands. Please make the right decision.
I too do not mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I am merely hopeful that my words may lead some of you to pray for an opportunity to present itself that is better than phone sex. I understand why you would do what you are doing, but I can't say that I agree that it is morally correct. I would like to commend you, however, on your effort at doing what is best for your children. I wish you all the best.
Dear Jewel, I can see that you are a truly beautiful soul, and I commend you on speaking out in your love for our most precious Heavenly Father. I might point out, however, that it is possible that the mothers on this site have not come far enough in their spiritual walk yet to accept what we believe in our hearts. While I agree with you, I also believe there are times when silent prayer is the best answer. The damage one creates when hard feelings are born during a religious discussion may never be repaired. Remember, prayer can move mountains...but words will never move a pebble. I believe our Lord wants us to teach others by being an example of the power of His love. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I know you mean well...as we all do, I'm sure. Love in Christ...God Bless!
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posted August 15, 2001 02:14 AM
Is acting a sin? If it is I want to know just whos Bible you are reading. 
I'm a telemarketer and Im not making that much.