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bobopickle
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posted April 12, 2006 06:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
lol man... just did the "2nd day thing" ... gotta give you a hand, they put up a nice front the first day... and market for recruits... i feel bad for people with degrees and stuff out of college getting sucked in by this... you can do a lot better with your time, this was a total waste of time! there are much beter ways to make money w/o working your *** off like this and "hoping" you make money... i just had to post b/c that was the most bullshit I think I have ever experienced, from the minute I got in the car I just wanted to get out of there.

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Chrome
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posted April 17, 2006 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think many of the people who have made their opinions clear out here do not know that some people are actually earning a lot of money from this company.

The negative reports being discussed on the page : http://www.wahm.com/boards/Forum39/HTM/000056.html
http://www.ripoffreport.com/result.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search!&q5=Innovage
http://wolfram.org/scam/ds-max/indeex.htm

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Matthew Roselle
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posted August 13, 2006 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hello,

Before I walked into this business I was stuck working with the 95% of the world. You know...the employees. The 95% that work as hard as they can to get a promotion but bob, the guy that has been at the office for 10 years, will always receive that promotions before you.

My first job was at Red Robins. In 4 months I worked my why up to assistant kitchen manager but i was stuck there. I left because I knew I could find better. I became an H2S Supervisor for United Safety. This is where a realized why it takes employees 20-30 years at the same job to make it half way up the corporate ladder. To make over$200,000/year.

I hated being within that 95%. So I started searching for an opportunity...NOT A JOB!
...I've found it.

Cydcor has given us an opportunity to become part of the 5% of the world. Where innovation, integrity, mental stamina, hard work, leadership, and passion pay off.
Where we can think like owners and not like employees. But don't fool yourself...its simple but its not easy. SUCCESS DOES NOT COME ON A SILVER PLATTER.

I'm only 21 and I'm ahead of 95% of the world! Now that's a good feeling. I hate going door to door but it is only .5% of my life. Id rather do this then spend 80% of my life fighting my way up the corporate ladder to make $80,000/year.

For those whom did not make the cut, for any reason, DONT HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go back to live the life 95% of the world lives. BUT THIS IS WHERE I BELONG. IF WE ALL COULD DO THIS THE CARWASH WOULD BE PACKED WITH BENTLY'S.

P.S Making $1,500/week while learning how to make $300,000/year isn't that bad...

Best regards,
Matthew Roselle

[This message has been edited by Matthew Roselle (edited August 14, 2006).]

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Matthew Roselle
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posted August 14, 2006 12:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Replying to J.D MacCauly(aka. employment law specialist)

First things first. The way the company is based is like any other company. All companies are based around a pyramid. One owner...then...board of directors... then...managers...then...assistant managers...all the way to the employees. The only difference is that it is based on performance. A pyramid scheme would be based upon money, correct? If you take a look at how we are paid it is very legal! If you are the 1,000 employee or the 100,000 employee you still make the same based on your performance. We deal with major companies like Direct Energy, Bell, Nike, Rogers. They are the ones that pay each and everyone of us based on are sales of their products. Correct me if that is a SCHEME!

Secondly, we are based on commission. Your right. If that's illegal then something is wrong. Of course every employee is not going to make $1,500/week like I do. But there is only one reason why...they don't take the time to learn how. Ask and you will learn. If you don't want to learn then leave. There's no laws against that. If a person want to work 50 hours a week with a pay cheque of $300, good for them. But in the initial interview that would have been clarified that it is performance based. If there was a law against this then Future Shop would be in trouble. My roommate works on straight commission at one of their stores.

Best regards,
Matthew Roselle

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Haskin
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posted August 15, 2006 08:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you should have went on your 2nd interview (Day of Observation) with myself then. I am an Independent Distributor, and have worked with Innovage for just about 5 weeks. I just recently became a leader, and started to build my crew. I am on a quick path to becoming a Manager, and opening my own office. Now, most think it's a SCAM, it's not worth the time. It's not that way at all. Sure we work long hours, but do you think I want to be stuck in the field for the rest of my life? Noone does, so, what am I gonna do...I'm gonna work my way into a Managers position so I will never be laid off again. Now, I am just 19, and by the time i'm 20, I will have my own office, and hopefully opened a few others into their own as well.

-Mike Haskin

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FormerTopGun
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posted August 21, 2006 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
After reading through all of the posts I have found many conflicting comments between co-owners !let alone former employees etc.

Innovage produce products on license from Walt Disney, Crayola etc. Innovage purchase the right to produce these products, that is the end of the association between Innovage and these companies ( anyone could do this if they had the financal clout). Innovage then produce these products in China, allways ( This is where there factories are).

The products are then consigned e.g loaned, to the different companies which are in the Pyramid, yes PYRAMID!!. The manager or M.D Of the company is then given finance by the senior person in his pyramid (the one that trained him etc)that has bought a large consignment from innovage in order to supply all his 'crew'. This person is usually a V.P or regional director.

Once the manager has recieved the merchandise the products are distributed to the distributers, trainee managers, assistant managers who effectivly own the products on loan once they sign the merchanidse form before leaving for the field.

This is how the system works and why they are affiliated with Walt Disney etc. The actual business practice is sceptical

You dont own your own business, you cant sell it, you are liable for the stock on a loan basis. Your trainer (V.P etc) will find a location and pay your first months rent, great he looks on the net and lends you a grand, you'll earn him more then that in the first few weeks anyway!!.

Its a great idea and i'd love to be one of the guys that started it but I, like them, took my money and ran for the hills when I'D made a fair chunk. Then I started my own Consultancy company and the rest is history. The thing is it is illegal, I knew it was and so do the big guys I was up there with. But no-one can touch them by association, all the companys are individual and I have explained the only links between a distributer and Walt Disney above.

I feel bad for eveyone that thinks they can do what I did. Unfortunatly its too late all the moneys been made and spent on homes in st barts, motor cruisers and private jets. Im not saying you cant do well but the pyramid is so huge its much harder then it was and wont be the instant success promised to you. You may become a manager, regional director, V.P quick but the more people your cash goes through the less you make.

Be Lucky Kids


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ksrupra
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posted August 22, 2006 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
It is a total joke. I worked for one of these firms in London, UK. The were called Marketing Firm UK, or MFUK. I was doing really well, and did believe in the system. I was earning myself about 2200/month which was great. Then out of the blue, one of the customers at the door decided to call up her local radio station to say that she had just purchased something at her door. Suddenly, 100's of callers in the area did the same thing, and a game of Chinese whispers started whereby callers started saying that I was forcing my way into their houses etc. This was absolutely nonsense, and the next thing I knew, I was called in to see my owner about 2 weeks later. They issued me with a letter saying my offence was a 10 on the scale. My owner asked me to take 2 days off and call him first thing on Monday. I did this, and he chose to ignore my call and calls subsequently! This left me without a job, and after all the hours I worked for the firm, I was expecting a litle more support from them rather then just believing some radio sob story!
The work is torture, they brainwash the employees showing them figures that only the lucky will achieve. It can work, but no one worked harder than me! 18 hour days 6 days a week in London, only to be told at the end of it that whatever I said would count for nothing! The lady on the radio claimed I forced my way into her house, and then when she tried to call her husband, I ran away! This was the biggest pile of shite I've ever heard! I would never do that to anyone! I was having a great day, making lots of money, doing a job I enjoyed, even though the hours were long. The Cobra Group gave me no support whatsoever! The Cobra Group are the beneficiaries of all these small businesses! Chris Niarchos owns the company. It all disgusts me frankly.

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kkkooo
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posted September 09, 2006 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

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VM
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posted September 16, 2006 08:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
HMMMM.... I got one of their products and their product says this: "Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm" I was gonna email them but i cant find their contact information or their website.

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Dylan
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posted September 20, 2006 08:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Nice to see so many varied opinions on this whole direct marketing scenario.
I worked in this industry for a Cydcor "affiliate" called M1 Platinum. I've sat in on several conferences, meetings and dinners with Avie Roth and the cydcor aristocrats. I had an enjoyable experience with the company but in all honesty I am not gonna say it mad me reach my personal potential or any crap like that. The truth is it's a sales job. If you can't sell you can't make it anywhere past that position (though some owners hire former agents to become recptionists) and of course youi have to be able to train. I became a leader and in all honesty I had an awesome time selling. I was really talented and signed up a lot of clients. I made roughly 1000$ a week going door to door. I believed in the whole pyramid because they didn't lie to me. They told me how it works and how much work it took. I didn't mind the 12 hour days or training others to much (though probably 5% made it past the first week) I preferred partnering up with a fellow salesman I liked and together making a comission of like 300$ in a day. Those were the best. Unfortunately the owner made me take out a bunch of people that didn't wanna sell. The key to this business is being a salesman. I don't care what anyone says about managing or building or expanding it's sales.

You sell products and/or services, you sell future prospects on the job and you spend the rest of the time retaining them. There is no easier way to explain it. If you can't sell then don't join or try it.

I'll admit the products are mostly crap and the sales tactics are hard to go about on a clean conscience but how many aggressive salespeople sell highly respectable or expensive products? Cars, Jewlery, Appliances, Electronics and Real Estate are good products and most of the salespeople in those industries lie through their teeth.

There is a strong element of brainwashing but not many intelligent individuals fall for it. I saw through their flacid motivational techniques. Preying on the insecurities of salespeople is easy as they constantly need approval. The whole point of what I'm trying to say through this rant is ..... Yes it's got some seedy area's but if you can sell there really is oppurtunity. Just don't believe all that crap about making millions in months... it's sales with a moderate chance of oppurtunity later on if you work F**King hard. There are no easy roads to it.


Anyone care to speak or network on this dylan1@fidohiptop.ca

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gizza
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posted October 09, 2006 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
cobra is wank. all the people on here who like them are jus saying all the stuff they drill into you every morning every phone call while your on the field and every night when you get back, stop being negative, don't loose sight of your goal, anyone can make it if they apply themselves, blah blah blah while all the time they are laughing at you and the guy at the top is laughing at them.

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dimples1
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posted October 11, 2006 06:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
can you sleep at night? yes you can succeed in this business but the chances are slim to nil. also, is the journey worth it for your happiness and fufillment? is the pot of gold going to make you happy? i joined with the hopes of becoming rich but have since realised that i would haave been miserable deceiving people into sigining up with my promotions and by deceiving people in order to build my team. there is more to life than money. when you are eighty, and you look back at your life, how will you measure your happiness and sucess. i would question what type of person you are if you base this purely on the money you make. i say get own now before you believe what they are feeding you. anyone in the business currently will say stay because they are encouraged not to think negatively. but seriously, there are better ways to make residule income. read up on how those who have made it, if that is your life purpose, and you will find that there are more honest and satisfying ways to live comfortably. i can almost guarantee that this type of career will end in regret...even if only for the way that it changes all who stay in it - just look at your owner!

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Gary Sacks
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posted October 19, 2006 08:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You've got to be kidding me!! You sound like a drone! This is a scam. And, if you do read a proportionately number of negative opinions-especially by the people who have WORKED THERE, chances are there are PROBLEMS!

UOTE]Originally posted by Anonymous23:
Well, you can always find people's negative opinions on any subject. You'll find more negatives about the company than positives, but, you also have to understand that the majority of individuals don't have an understanding of the company. From point A to point Z it is the best opportunity that is offered at a no-cost investment. I'm 23 years old and I'm an owner within the company. I know that this opportunity has changed my family tree in the respect of monetarily and happiness as well. Just because people write a bad review or because you don't understand something is no reason to judge it. Maybe your husband is at work 12 hours a day and not side by side with you. Maybe he's not making big bucks so to speak at the moment either. However, the opportunity will always be the same, and as long as the person has a great attitude and puts in 110% effort, they can succeed. You do need to understand that the ability to make it to a management type position is very low because of a bevy of different things. People feel as if they have been *duped*, when in all actuality they have not. Someone who loses their cool (attitude) will never be sucessful in our business because no one will be attracted to them. It is not a mlm company in the respect that we supply interviews to the person. We hand everyone the tools to the business. We teach and educate them how to do everything. In the end though, it comes down to whether or not the person actually applies what has been taught. So, you can look at it negative, or you can look at it positive. I'm sure his attitude has changed for the better though since he's been involved in the business. As well as he has become a more marketable product himself. Once again, I'm 23 years old, married, and I own a location. Not everything you read is negative.[/QUOTE]

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Ů____ֻ_ŮͼƬ_ֻ-ֻͼƬ ɵ ϵ ʺ è 鲻 ˶ а Ҫ̫ · Цè ÷
Ů____ֻ-ֻͼƬ_ ...Ӫ ... Ц. ܽ » S.H.E ѧ Ρ Ն ֿ ƽ Ц˵ģ° ... Σķ2 Σķ1. Ųʶ.
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ֻ|ֻͼƬ||ֻ. ܲ ֿ С įɳ ܴ ò ... Ц. EyesOnMe ׺һЦ մ ... Ч DJЧ ֲЧ Ч ŵ侫 KTV
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ֻ|ֻͼƬ||ֻDJЧ ֲЧ Ч ŵ侫 KTV ԭ֭Ц ħ įɳ ϳ˵ kulala ... ԭ֭ԭζ
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ֻ|ֻͼƬ||ֻDJЧ ֲЧ Ч ŵ侫 KTV ԭ֭Ц ħ ͻȻңDJ棩 ֳHI ... ŵ侭 Ч DJЧ ԭ Ч ԭ֭Ц ֲЧ Ϸ tic tic tacdj
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ľʣأֻͼ壬أ ֻͼ壬أ ֻͼ壬أ MP3 ԭ. а. Ľ. ¸TOP100. Ц. 01.ǧ֮ ܽ. 02.첻 ǿ. 03.֮
Ů____ֻ_ŮͼƬ_ֻ-ֻͼƬ ɵ ϵ ʺ è 鲻 ˶ а Ҫ̫ · Цè ÷
Ů____ֻ-ֻͼƬ_ ...Ӫ ... Ц. ܽ » S.H.E ѧ Ρ Ն ֿ ƽ Ц˵ģ° ... Σķ2 Σķ1. Ųʶ.
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formerdsmarketingworker
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posted December 10, 2006 07:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hi, I worked in a dx max marketing company when I was in college six years ago, when I was 20. There are many positves with doing this type of work as well as the negatives. Some of the positives include learning to comminucate with people, consistancy, learning a system and executing it time in and time out, and being your own boss. I like to compare the experience with practicing free throws on a basketball court. The more time and practice you put into it, the better results you will have. If you look at the way the system works, its wonderful for the higher ups, getting commisions off everyone in the office, as opposed to the bottom of the rung, making $9 per coupon book sold. The coupon books were $20 per unit and cost $.07 for each one. So you do the math, PROFIT! Currently, six years later after working for one of these companies, I have opened two of my own businesses. One doing landscape design and the other a mortgage corporation. It took similiar qualities and characterists I used with dx max marketing to open my own companies. In my opinion, Unless you are the owner of one of these companies, ECONOMICALLY it is not worth the time. All the promises that are made to you about being promoted and "moving up the ladder" when you reach a certain level is just to suck you in that much more. However, that does not mean you can not learn tools and traits you can use in the future from this line of work. If you are REALLY into this line of work, open your own company! I cant speak for every county and state, but where I live it is only $35 to obtain an occupational license. You may need a pedaler or solicoting license as well, those are pretty low cost as well. You can even start running to business out of your house. The main key in doing this is to get the business companies around the town. By this I mean you need coupons or VIP books to sell, find out what companies would be interterested? Go talk to different companies in your area and pitch them to do business with you. Its a total win-win situation for both parties involved! The company you work the deal with can get free advertising. (Unless of course you want to charge a fee for working with you, Note: some companies may be reluctant to do so at first until they see your results) This will bring more people to the company you are doing the package with. And its even better for you! At $.07 per unit and a $20 cost, you can make $19.93 per unit sold! IF you sell 7 units in a day, you make $139.51! Most people can live on this amount of money per day quite easily. Then you can also have people working for you. Lets say you have 5 people working under you that each average 5 units per day and they receive $15 per unit and you recieve $5. Thats an extra $125 dollars you make by managing others to do what you are doing yourself! $264.51 for a day is even better! The reason why there is so much negativity about these types of companies is because the higher ups can be greedy and take a solid chuch of money you made while they are sitting on their *** . If you are doing this type of work right now and enjoy it, but arent making enough cash flow, think about starting your own company doing the same thing. Think about it. Its really no intial cost for you to do so! And if you do choose to have others working for you, be fair with what you are paying them. If its $20 a unit and your understudy is making $15 or 75 % of that he/she will be happy! Think about it, a happy worker is a hard worker, a hard worker is a huge closer, a huge closer will put more money in your pocket by selling more units, and at the same time put more money in his/her pocket as well! Give it your all and go for it! If you work for one of these companies, and you have dedication, drive, motivation, and a tenacity to succeed, START YOUR OWN COMPANY and REALLY BE YOUR OWN BOSS. Good luck!

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KABBB
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I worked for this company a few years ago when I was a starving student trying to make some money for university. They are a complete scam. The ad they had ran in the newspaper said that they were hiring for positions in reception, office assistants, warehouse and marketing agents. So I applied thinking that I could get some type of office job. I got called for an interview, so I went.

First of all, the "office" building looked like absolute crap. It was a run down building in the middle of an alley way in the shady part of Vancouver. When I got to the interview, there were about 10 other people who were sitting in the waiting room. The inside of the building was worst than the outside. It looked really shady, dirty, and very unprofessional. Well, when I finally got called into the office for the interview, the "manager" asked me questions like "do u like to interact with people?", "are u confident and willing to work for a team?". When I asked him what the job was, he told me that they were a marketing firm who worked with big companies such as DISNEY, PANASONIC, etc to promote their goods. Then he said to me that he "liked me and saw potential to go far in this company", and that I was the chosen one of the people he has interviews so far to get an offer of a "second interview". He told me the second day is a day of observation, and I would get to see what they do in the company. Foolishly, I accepted not knowing what I was getting myself into.

The second day, I arrived at the office and was grouped with a "leader" in the company who was only 19 years old. Everyone was dressed up in suits and professional clothes, so I was kind of confused with what it was they did. Finally, I had to get into a car with them and they drove to a street with a bunch of local businesses. We got out of the car, where they proceeded to take a bunch of junk (umbrellas, knives, chidren's books) out of the car. I then spent the rest of the day following these guys around while they tried to sell this junk to the business owners/workers/customers (whoever took an interest) and people on the streets. By the end of the day, I was exhausted, tired, and my feet were killing me (especially since I was wearing heeled boots because they told me I had to dress professionally). When we finally got back to the office, my so-called "leader" started talking about all the perks of working for the company, and that you earn over $200 a day doing this. HE even flashed cash in front of me that he made from his sales, not letting me know that the job was purely commission (CRAPPY commission) SO, even though I thought the job was crap and the people who were running the place were shady, I accepted the "job".

BIG MISTAKE.

For the next 4 weeks, I was working 12 hours a day and sometimes only making $30 a day. Since I had a car, they started making me drive my own car (not reimbursing me for gas or mileage) and made me drive other people who didn't have cars. SO finally, I had to stop bringing my car to work and ask my sister to drop me off in the morning and "worked the field" by taking the Skytrain. It was the most unprofessional work environment I have ever encountered.

Every morning, we were getting brainwashed in a "cult-like" fashion and were constantly made to repeat sales tantras. We were told how to annoy the customers with the cheap products and to use all the low-down tactics there are in the book to make a sale. They liked to use the phrase "JUICE" A LOT. We spent basically an hour to two hours every single morning at these "staff meetings" while the leaders and the managers would cram all this bullshit into our brains. We were told not to have negative attitudes and that they never wanted to see people who were not as enthused towards all aspects of the job. They also gave long speeches of success stories of people who were once like us are now owners and making six figure incomes. It was all a bunch of bullsh*t and a waste of time.

I would be there by 7am and didnt get home until 6pm or later. It was a horrible job, and after a month of it I was fed up with the unprofessionalism, the low pay and I finally quit.

STAY AWAY FROM INNOVAGE!

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WAM in bergen county NJ
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Originally posted by Haskin:
Perhaps you should have went on your 2nd interview (Day of Observation) with myself then. I am an Independent Distributor, and have worked with Innovage for just about 5 weeks. I just recently became a leader, and started to build my crew. I am on a quick path to becoming a Manager, and opening my own office. Now, most think it's a SCAM, it's not worth the time. It's not that way at all. Sure we work long hours, but do you think I want to be stuck in the field for the rest of my life? Noone does, so, what am I gonna do...I'm gonna work my way into a Managers position so I will never be laid off again. Now, I am just 19, and by the time i'm 20, I will have my own office, and hopefully opened a few others into their own as well.

-Mike Haskin


I am a partner out in NJ. Smart circle is one of your branches. I'm completley for this program but a few things bother me. I'm one of the pace setters in the field which for those of you who don't know what that means I make over $120 a day. Now when it comes to taking out a Day of O in our office the best one goes to the *** manager, and what I mean by that is there are certain people they know will take the job. Like with me on my first round interview I told them right up front im quitting my other job then coming here. So all the people like me who are ready to start immediatley go to that *** . man while the rest of the leaders are stuck with people like blind kids who we hired a few weeks ago. My friend took this Day of O out and the kid was partially blind, he even needed to use one of those canes, best part was the hired him. DING DING DING that just tells me they are desperate and will hire anyone. Another thing whch puzzles me is taking out re trains . why do we have to pay that person out of our pocket 60 bucks even if he doesnt sell anything. and god forbid if u want to take a day off to take care of some personel stuff. It's like pulling teeth. If we really are independent distributors and its our business why cant we take time when we need to, especially when im already running my business. the fact is they want evereyone there because it makes them more money when they have a full sqaud which is understandable. Anyone respond back Id really love to here your responses to this question.

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anonymous 69
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posted April 08, 2007 04:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Johnno:
The problem with Innovage, DSMAX, Granton etc etc (It was originally called WWI - Wholesale Warehousing Industries - when Murray Reinhardt, Larry Tannebaum and Avie Roth started it) is the NOT the way they treat their staff/associates/leaders/trainers/ etc etc., it's the way they treat their ex-employees/staff etc.
It is arrogant (and, plain wrong) to suggest that because someone leaves a job/team etc they are a failure. How dare anyone tell me what is or isn't good for me. How dare snot-nosed owners ruminate on life when they are twenty odd years old?????
And the comparison of success stories Vs failures in the group is laughable. You people refute your own arguments. You judge success only as making it to the top of the DSMAX/Granton/Innovage tree. I would suggest millions of people have worked in this organisation over the years - How many have retired millionaires? Murray, Larry, Avie, maybe Chris Niarchos in the UK. 4 out of a million or so????? Of course, some others are making good money, but they'll never match the founders - no matter how large their own organisation becomes. Why? Because every time they increase their own organisation, they increase the founder's oragnisation. Murray and Co. must be peeing their pants laughing so much.
Indeed, those that do make good money have to continually harrangue and cajole their team, making great promises they know they cannot keep. Anyone with a conscience cannot succeed for long in this business. When you see a person coming into the office day after day, year after year, knowing that they will never make it, you need a hard heart to be unaffected.
I know the die-hards will say that anyone can make it etc etc, or that I'm not tough enough, but they are wrong. NOT everyone can make it. Some people should be doctors, others gardeners, some can be flashy sales people with charisma who can sell people on an opportunity, others are librarians or motor mechanics. That doesn't make one better than the other; it's just life.
And as for being tough (mentally), I would rather be a human being than a rich asshole.
Even "successful" owners rarely make the big bucks. Most owners are closed down because they can't make it - there is basically no business training. Even "high rolling" offices struggle to pay the expenses. After an owner takes out an average (or below average) wage from the profits, there is very little left to save. You need to promote lots and lots and (lots!) of offices to have a comfortable income - and even then you can't retire.
It IS an opportunity, but that's all it is; the rest is just BULLS**T. There are plenty of other opportunities out there that offer better conditions, regular pay and, more importantly, they DO NOT try to brainwash people with a loser/winner, success/failure, cow/rhino repetoire.

Oh, How do I know all this? I WAS an owner. I spent nine months working my *** off in the field building a crew/team and ran my own office for five years. I promoted many outside deals (only one is still in the business) Yeh, I made some money - no more than my friends in other businesses - but I lost a lot of good people because I was such an asshole. I shunned friends and people in my office because they left my business; because they couldn't SEE the opportunity; because they were a NEGATIVE influence on my people; because I -like every owner and VP - know how fragile the business plan is and that any differing opinions could cause the whole thing to collapse like the house of cards it is. And because I thought money would make me happy/admired/respected/satisfied.
I decided to leave for two reasons: the first being an experience with a nice guy in my office who was never going to make it. Like the example above, he had been in the business for more than three years - I was his third owner (he'd even outlasted his owners). He came in one day after being in the field and selling nothing. Not one thing (not the first time it had happened to him, or others). We talked and I said I couldn't believe he had worked hard all day. I liked the guy, so I agreed to go out with him in the field the next day. We worked all day and he made two sales. Now, I know he worked, I was there. But he just didn't have it. He was motivated; he wanted it bad and he would never give up, but, something IS what it IS. I gold nugget is a gold nugget and no flowery words are gonna turn fool's gold into real gold. The guy didn't have it and he would never have it.
I realised then that I couldn't go on pretending that I wasn't exploiting these people. See, it didn't cost me more to have fifty people in the office than ten. If I had ten good ones who made me $100 a day each ($1000 a day) and the other forty only made me $10 a day, I'm still making four hundred bucks off the weak ones. Why not keep them????
Why? Because it's exploitation. We kept them there for the atmosphere (more people create more and better excitement) and the extra bucks. Who cares if they're living below the poverty line??? Not Murray, Larry and Avie, that's for sure.
The other thing that gnawed at my conscience was something my promoting owner said to me a few weeks after I'd been in my own office. One of my second generation team (who had remained with my promoting owner) fell asleep at the wheel of his car on the way to a road trip. He died. When my promoting owner called to tell me (I was in another city) he said, after a time: "I told my leaders this morning how important it was to get the guys to sign their agreements; otherwise his family may have been able to take me to court." That sentence stuck with me for years. I still think about it every now and then.
Anyway, these two things had been playing on my mind for years and eventually I simply realised that the life I was living wasn't my own; it was something I was programmed to think I wanted. Sure, I like the good things in life, but I will not sacrifice my soul to get them. That's the difference - the only one - between me and the neophtyes defending this company.

Hope this helps some of you who are deciding on your futures. My only advice is to listen to both sides of the story. Don't just believe me - listen to your owner too(sounds like the slave trade, doesn't it), maybe he/she is a good person; maybe some things have changed since I was with the group. But please, DON'T believe everything they say; lies and deception are inherent in the business structure at all levels. I know, I was an owner. I know, I lied.

Best regards,

John


PS Surely the alarm bells start ringing when they change the company name every few years. Why do they do it?
Google them all and you will see.


Hey John, you claim youre a big shot, you cant even spell correctly. Thats professional? You all belong to a cult that brainwashes you. I work on an honest salary salary and feel great about it. Wake up (reminds me of Indiana Jones....)

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Jawknee
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posted May 09, 2007 07:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Thanks to these forums, I quickly canceled my meeting with "The Marketing Group" of San Francisco. I copied a few of the same companies posted and added 2 more. Watch out for these companies. The only way to find out if they are the same is to look at their clietele listings. It is all the same.
http://www.marketbaltimore.com/ - Advertising Endeavors
http://www.venturemarketing-dc.com/ - Venture Marketing Solutions
http://www.dmsbaltimore.com/ - Distinctive Marketing Solutions, Inc
http://www.phoenixpromotionsinc.com/ - Phoenix Promotional Group
http://www.platinum-promo.com/ - Platinum Promotions, Inc
http://www.elitemarketingco.com/ - Elite Marketing, Inc
http://www.themarketinggrouponline.com/ - The Marketing Group or TMG or TMG Online
http://www.sfmarketinggroup.com/ -The Marketing Group
http://www.cydcor.com/ -Cydcor Face to Face Sales
http://www.capital-adv.com/ - Capital Promotional Advertising Inc.

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Mark DeVito
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posted May 10, 2007 12:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
These C-Suckers tried to reel me in as well. They used workphilly.com to promote their company. Might I also add, the job listing was presented in textbook pyramid scheme form. Anyways, add these to the list:
http://www.titanmarketinginc.com http://www.3wmarketing.com http://www.spartamarketinginc.com

I had it out with one of them though e-mail, her responses looked exactly like all the other employees in defense. This idiot actually told me they were part of the Better Buisness Beurau (sp). Upon checking with the BBB, I found out that they are not a memeber. Get you facts straight and your head out of your a**.

You can contact me at untitledaddress@hotmail.com

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think first
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posted June 13, 2007 01:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
well considering what ive read id just thought id let you all know that "all these companies" arent running a scam and pretending they arent involved with each other. theyre all part of an organisation known as the cobra group, started by chris niarchos. however they are all incorporated individually, and are individual companies, and although they all work in direct sales they are not the same company under different aliases. also, granton is only one part of t he cobra group, there is also pro sales, support, appco and allsports. personally ive worked for a company in australia for 6 months now, and am a leader building a crew at the moment. however, despite not being a manager i make 1200+ per week clear (i put all my tax aside) before any overrides from my team. and all this talk of dodgy products and such is ridiculous, that is only ONE part of cobra (pro sales). i work in appco, which deals in application forms for the second largest telecommunications company in australia and i have 30 happy customers who come back looking to sign up for other offers we have to every 1 customer who comes back with a complaint. not to mention that i talk to many people every day who have actually signed up to the deals im offering people on their own on the internet or at telecommunications stores. and also, ANYONE can do what i do, because ive trained people from every walk of life to do what i do, or met people who have no education no training or anything like that to do it.

given, some people dont have the drive, or even want what the company has to offer and thats fine. if it isnt for you thats ok, but to come back and honestly waste your time posting tons of negative crap with absolutely no idea about the company is ridiculous. my guess is some people claiming to be owners have actually not even gotten past a 6 day trial, or perhaps even an observation day, and have merely been scared off by the long hours or comission based pay. the reason i say this is because i am only a leader, and their complete lack of understanding of both the systems we teach and the way the company works is laughable. you are taught very early on how the company works, not to mention the support systems that exist. if you had a bad owner, or didnt make enough money thats too bad, but driving people away from an opportunity that may be perfect for them is also wrong. at the very least, youll learn a lot, and ive seen many people who have quit who i am stil in contact with but grew so much both as people and in confidence due to the company. so before you go badmouthing everything that didnt work for you, think about the repercussions of what you say, and if youre going to claim to be an owner at least do some research about how the company works before looking like a total idiot in front of people who actually got there.

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First of all, the reason why I am posting is because i have just recently quit my post with a scottish branch of Cobra (the new name for DS-Max) for a number of reasons. The recruitment process is exactly the same as yourselves, out with one of the leaders, back in for training, final chat with the owner. Bang, new job. All sounded great. BUT! I never recieved any contract of my being employed whatsoever, never recivied any pay slips (this is a legal requirement for a company) and also got treated like **** and wasnt even re-embursed for my travelling expenses to the field. 100% commission. The whole get promoted after making 15 sales in a week crap, make crew leader, then make assistant owner etc etc. They way they were getting around all this stuff was by saying eventually (although I heard it through the grape vine) that we were self employed and claimed back out expenses and that we would be sat down and out tax sorted at the end of the week. THIS NEVER HAPPENED. I wasnt told of this when I started, I was never given an official contract of employment, nothing. I later found out that in a nutshell what they were doing is essintially ILLEGAL! Basically if you are offered a job from one of cobra's companies, just decline it!!!

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Raleigh,NC. JRW Marketing
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posted September 07, 2007 12:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I worked for a marketing firm called JRW Marketing in Raleigh, NC that is the same kind of mlm company that has been described on this message board. It is amazing some of the posts I read that were exactly the same as my experience, from "ringing the bell," to "MAFIA." These businesses feed on young people trying to get their foot in the door and get a job out of school. I am glad I saw it first hand so i can help my friends not get involved in these companies, they are scams. Even if you make great money, when you factor in expenses you are not doing well. I got out before I invested to much time or money and my advice is if any of this sounds like your current job...GET OUT.

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exhawker
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posted September 24, 2007 05:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
To all the negative, bitter people out there...
You obviously didn't have very good owners. Or leaders for that matter. I worked in the pro-sales division of the cobra group and I had the most fun i had ever had in a job. I mean, walking around making a complete dick of yourself and not worrying what people thought...ITS GREAT! Yeah sure, i was working 13 sometimes 14 hours in a day, but I was trying to get somewhere. I would like to hear about a self employed person, who didn't have to work those sort of hours to build a successful business. Our owner told us right from the word go, that it was performance based. I'm going to throw a cliche in here and say, it's your attitude that determines if you make it or not. Yeah sure the business is not a peachy as you may think at first, but it really is a great opportunity. I left because i fell pregnant, then around the 11th week i miscarried. This event gave me a lot of time to reflect on what I had been doing for the past 8 months. I realised that with in the last month I had become frustrated because things were not going my way. I became a bad leader. I was no longer fun to be with. I was selfish and sometimes I was unfair to my team mates. I became stressed because I was not making enough money and my team fell apart. I realised that the reason i turned into such a person was not only from pressure to succeed(from the owner) but also from pressure to support my student partner. I was struggling to pay my rent and the landlord was always on my back. If we missed a week I had to pick it up and pay for the next week aswell because my partner could not afford 2 weeks rent at once. The owner was very supportive, giving me sometimes 50% commission just so that I could get by. The owner is your tool to get ahead, not the reason you didn't(unless they were corrupt and sent you to a differnt state and didn't pay you, vey sad story)

So to all the families and partners out there...
Be supportive. How is anyone suppossed to succeed if they're constantly being told that they are not good enough. How is any one suppossed to have a good day at the office or in the field for that matter if you are constantly making them feel bad for what they are doing. I mean sh**, as a "hawker" there are more negative customers than positive ones. They constantly get told that the job is crap and treated like they are scum. If they do crap in the field, they have to deal with the boss when they get back to the office. If your partner or a family member is in the business, you need to give them a break. All they want to do is go home to you and forget about that awful day, but all you want to do is put them and their job down and make them feel worthless. You are as much to blame for their lack of money making as the company. It is not brain washing, it is learning the ins and outs of the business. All those negative comments are mainly from people who had bad owners,leaders, or attitudes. I mean, if they only did two days, how the hell would they know what it's like. Even though i am no longer with the company, I have good memories. There are days where i wish i could go back and continue there, but my family is totally against it and would probably cast me out. Make an effort to understand what your loved one is striving for and support them. If they come home with $30 dollars and a sob story every night, it's obviously not for them and yes you should pull them out. But honestly, think about how you effect your loved ones when you tell them "its not going to happen" because that translates into "your not good enough"
It is NOT illegal,if it was i would have a criminal recaord. It is NOT a pyrimid scheme, the harder you work the more you get. You don't earn less than the last guy that got promoted unless you don't work as hard. and it is NOT a scam. The people that say that will probly say i'm 'brainwashed.'
All that you need to be successful in this field is the will to do so and support from the ones close to you.
Thats an honest opinion from an ex hawker.

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As a Wharton graduate, I have serious issues with anyone who can even take a neutral stance about this "business".

I've went on the day of observation and watched as a "leader" presented himself as a "community representative" selling coupon books. This is right after it was made clear that these books are being sold to promote the companies in them.

A legitimate business is proud of their trademark and all affiliated companies. They would not respond to complaints by saying, "Well, that was just a bad owner." They have a responsibility to monitor their partners and take aggressive actions against anyone who would tarnish their image by acting against a clearly defined code of ethics. I'm talking about serious legal action against anyone who uses misrepresentation. The fact that there is no code of ethics or clearly defined policy means that they neither support nor condone actions taken by "owners". If a franchise owner at McDonalds advertised jobs falsely, misrepresented their products as charitable contributions or any other unethical behavior; McDonalds would sue them and take precautions to prevent this in the future. Of course DS-Max will not explicitly tell owners/managers/distributors to lie and cheat. It is the fostering of an unethical environment, the tacit support and the way DS-Max maintains deniability that makes what they are doing much worse than being an outright crook.

Owners, can you break off from DS-Max? Many big companies started as a subsidiary of another company. Sometimes they merge with other companies and the owner becomes rich in a buyout. Can you do this?

A legitimate company would not act with such a lack of class towards former employees. People move on. My ex-employers understand that I did a job for them, learned what I could and pursued another opportunity. They don't insult what other people do for a living.

The people who get called "9 to 5 cows" are critical to our society. A society doesn't need door-to-door salesman and people that manage them. I've never had a problem buying items or switching utility services. I have stores and the Internet. Doctors, teachers, construction workers and other workers add value to our society. They have learned actual skills. Lying and knocking on doors is not a skill, little kids can do that. You should not be proud that you have a system that anyone can do. You know what else anybody can do? Sell their body. At least those people are honest about the "business opportunity". A pimp teaches a few common sense selling strategies and he has much more financial independence than a DS-Max "owner". It is illegal, but so is soliciting without a license.

A legitimate business is a constant negotiation between employee and employer. You and the company agree to salary, benefits, vacation time, working hours and other conditions before starting. DS-Max chooses to circumvent this by hiring "independent contractors". If you are independent, then why show up to unpaid training? Of course this training is simply chanting and false motivation. If I own my own business, I can be as negative as I want. I can tell employees the truth straight up. I can choose my own hours. I can dress however I want to. I can do anything I want within the boundaries of the law.

A legitimate business does not alienate a person from their family and friends. They would also want healthy employees, both mentally and physically. They would encourage you to think before accepting a position with them. They would pay a premium for long hours and take aggressive measures to prevent high turnover. They wouldn't just promise future wealth, they would improve the living conditions for every position in the company. They make an investment in their employees and accept responsibility.

Owners talk about this great opportunity and financial independence. You want opportunity? Bake a cake and sell it for profit. Perform a song and sell it online. Invent something new. Study and learn actual business skills. You want financial independence? Save money from your job and trade stocks. Buy a building, put in the physical labor, get the proper authorization and rent it out. How many of my suggestions involve misleading people?

If you owners are so rich, how about posting a verifiable balance sheet? If there are so many "success stories", then how about some proof? I will agree to meet you in person, look at your pay stubs and accounting documents and then you can tell me how worthless my Ivy League education is.

Even better, let me come to your office and show me that you operate ethically.

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I spent 3years working under Granton's umbrella,working in the Advertising & Execucard divisions,respectfully. I started Advertising in Columbus,OH in Oct of 02,went on an "expansion" to Phila 4mos later. I believed solely in the opportunity and the character of the owner of the franchise. I went with him,even though I wasn't doing well in the field,had stopped paying my car note,had my car repossessed,and was living with my cousin & his family. The leader who recruited me had 11 guys when we left,ALL of his 3 leaders,including myself went on the expansion,too. He cried like a baby. 9 ppl shared 3 apartments in a nice community in Marlton,NJ. Soon after, my roommates & I got behind 3mos on our rent,one of my roommates fled back to OH under the guise of "caring for his sick mother". When we got home that night, the Tv and all of his clothes were gone. Soon after, it became obvious that the owner and the "top leader" in the office had a sexual relationship,you can imagine how the rest of us felt. We were there 8mos before the owner went out of business. Everyone else fled back to OH, my roommate & I stayed and switched to Execucard. The other owner was nice enough to let us move in with him and his "top leader" until we got on our feet, otherwise,we would've been homeless.

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We continued. My roommate and I always had friction between us because he was good at the sales, made a lot of money for himself,but had to subsidize my debt because I wasn't doing well(back before we lost our apartment) I bust my *** every single day,went through shoes like I could afford to buy a new pair every 6weeks,developed a very fast walking pace,and ocassionally had good days in the field. (By the way,back home in Columbus,the newly promoted owner who was left to run the office I started in folded 1 whole month on his own,my leader had quit 2 weeks after we left.) I gleefully promoted everything from Bennigan's to Spirit of Philadelphia. I knew company history, knew all the theories,was great at atmosphere, was considered one of the best teachers in the office, yet I couldn't consistently sell my way out of a wet paper bag! I was even adept at bringing home more days of O than "top leaders",even though they made $150 on average,and I was making $60 on average daily(not 2 mention buying my days of O lunch,paying for their transpo,and paying out retrains) Most of the people I met were good people, but I'm sure they knew long before I did that I would never make it to management. That "top leader" I mentioned earlier had roughly 18 people on her crew,became Asst.mgr,got promoted to run Houston. She folded after 2mos. Only 1 person came back to Philly. I kept going,ignoring all the warning signs,including defaulting on my rent with the room that I rented from a brother that I dropped a piece on,within 2mos of renting from him,then having to move immediately into a smaller room in West Philadelphia where I paid rent weekly. It was one of the most miserable experiences of my life. I was depressed, bitter, extremely angry, and I felt humiliated. With myself. I scrounged quick anecdotes of advice from "top managers" and even Execucard's founder himself. I attended roughly 4 leaders meetings & 2 Christmas parties in my tenure with Granton, and the last one was the worse. I watched as two of my friends who both were "top leaders" went over to consult Derek Colantonio about team building & all those great things to know to get ahead,while I felt as out of place as a hooker on Sunday morning preaching a sermon. I loved the business as much as my own mother,and was brainwashed into thinking that I'd never be financially independent without the business. I regularly cut off anyone who left the business,no matter how good of friends we were,which most people did. They were a cancer to my attitude and were in effect "plugged back into the Matrix"as far as I was concerned. I couldn't afford a phone,a car, a date,a movie,or anything else that I was working so hard to be able to afford to buy.I wrapped up roughly 68 hours of my life weekly in this business,with nothing to show for it other then a "whatever it takes" mentality(which is one of the things that keeps me from railing against it completely,because without these experiences,I wouldn't be who I am today) My former roommate was forced out by the owner due to his tendency to be an asshole, and I was the last man standing. I remember meeting a guy in the field one day who admitted he'd been in the business 10years prior in Mike Putnam's office,or he was on Putnam's team when MP was in the field,one or the other,don't remember. I exclaimed,"Don't you know that Mike's a VP now and also a millionaire?!" I looked at him like he had 3 ears and left laughing to myself. This also motivated me extremely,because I didn't want to be him in 10 years saying the same thing. I finally decided to quit a week before I actually did(Had to drop some pieces to bankroll my trip back to OH,you know.) I was fed up with the business. I'd outlasted the owner I'd started with, SEVERAL leaders who from the outside looking in had the missing pieces I DIDN'T have on lock.(some made $800-$1000 weekly,built monstrous squads of pace setters,yet quit just the same)my self esteem was plummeting, and I was tired of running around in rain,sleet,snow trying to maintain a great attitude! I was tired of lying to myself,tired of lying to other people,tired of hearing NO SOLICITING! Tired of not making money,tired of living in a room the size of a closet,and tired of living below the poverty line.(I think I'd grossed $9k-$13k the previous year)I don't blame the business,because I'm an adult and I knew what I was doing(thought I knew anyway)I know that the campaigns are real,I've used them myself,been to campaign meetings with company owners when starting a new promo for them. I have a friend who opened a location in NY several months ago,and I completely support him and will live vicariously through his successes with it,it just wasn't for me. Reading these columns,though,I do see how I was "brainwashed" in ways with the propaganda you are exposed to in atmosphere,leaders meetings,regional meetings,conference calls,and the like. I took away from it valuable things such as knowing what it feels like to have my back against the wall and make something amazing happen,work ethic,how to promote anything,how to relate to almost anyone,etc. God willing,however,I would NEVER go through it again. Thanks, I appreciate being able to get that off my chest. Hope this helps someone out there.

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We continued. My roommate and I always had friction between us because he was good at the sales, made a lot of money for himself,but had to subsidize my debt because I wasn't doing well(back before we lost our apartment) I bust my *** every single day,went through shoes like I could afford to buy a new pair every 6weeks,developed a very fast walking pace,and ocassionally had good days in the field. (By the way,back home in Columbus,the newly promoted owner who was left to run the office I started in folded 1 whole month on his own,my leader had quit 2 weeks after we left.) I gleefully promoted everything from Bennigan's to Spirit of Philadelphia. I knew company history, knew all the theories,was great at atmosphere, was considered one of the best teachers in the office, yet I couldn't consistently sell my way out of a wet paper bag! I was even adept at bringing home more days of O than "top leaders",even though they made $150 on average,and I was making $60 on average daily(not 2 mention buying my days of O lunch,paying for their transpo,and paying out retrains) Most of the people I met were good people, but I'm sure they knew long before I did that I would never make it to management. That "top leader" I mentioned earlier had roughly 18 people on her crew,became Asst.mgr,got promoted to run Houston. She folded after 2mos. Only 1 person came back to Philly. I kept going,ignoring all the warning signs,including defaulting on my rent with the room that I rented from a brother that I dropped a piece on,within 2mos of renting from him,then having to move immediately into a smaller room in West Philadelphia where I paid rent weekly. It was one of the most miserable experiences of my life. I was depressed, bitter, extremely angry, and I felt humiliated. With myself. I scrounged quick anecdotes of advice from "top managers" and even Execucard's founder himself. I attended roughly 4 leaders meetings & 2 Christmas parties in my tenure with Granton, and the last one was the worse. I watched as two of my friends who both were "top leaders" went over to consult Derek Colantonio about team building & all those great things to know to get ahead,while I felt as out of place as a hooker on Sunday morning preaching a sermon. I loved the business as much as my own mother,and was brainwashed into thinking that I'd never be financially independent without the business. I regularly cut off anyone who left the business,no matter how good of friends we were,which most people did. They were a cancer to my attitude and were in effect "plugged back into the Matrix"as far as I was concerned. I couldn't afford a phone,a car, a date,a movie,or anything else that I was working so hard to be able to afford to buy.I wrapped up roughly 68 hours of my life weekly in this business,with nothing to show for it other then a "whatever it takes" mentality(which is one of the things that keeps me from railing against it completely,because without these experiences,I wouldn't be who I am today) My former roommate was forced out by the owner due to his tendency to be an asshole, and I was the last man standing. I remember meeting a guy in the field one day who admitted he'd been in the business 10years prior in Mike Putnam's office,or he was on Putnam's team when MP was in the field,one or the other,don't remember. I exclaimed,"Don't you know that Mike's a VP now and also a millionaire?!" I looked at him like he had 3 ears and left laughing to myself. This also motivated me extremely,because I didn't want to be him in 10 years saying the same thing. I finally decided to quit a week before I actually did(Had to drop some pieces to bankroll my trip back to OH,you know.) I was fed up with the business. I'd outlasted the owner I'd started with, SEVERAL leaders who from the outside looking in had the missing pieces I DIDN'T have on lock.(some made $800-$1000 weekly,built monstrous squads of pace setters,yet quit just the same)my self esteem was plummeting, and I was tired of running around in rain,sleet,snow trying to maintain a great attitude! I was tired of lying to myself,tired of lying to other people,tired of hearing NO SOLICITING! Tired of not making money,tired of living in a room the size of a closet,and tired of living below the poverty line.(I think I'd grossed $9k-$13k the previous year)I don't blame the business,because I'm an adult and I knew what I was doing(thought I knew anyway)I know that the campaigns are real,I've used them myself,been to campaign meetings with company owners when starting a new promo for them. I have a friend who opened a location in NY several months ago,and I completely support him and will live vicariously through his successes with it,it just wasn't for me. Reading these columns,though,I do see how I was "brainwashed" in ways with the propaganda you are exposed to in atmosphere,leaders meetings,regional meetings,conference calls,and the like. I took away from it valuable things such as knowing what it feels like to have my back against the wall and make something amazing happen,work ethic,how to promote anything,how to relate to almost anyone,etc. God willing,however,I would NEVER go through it again. Thanks, I appreciate being able to get that off my chest. Hope this helps someone out there.

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hi guys.

i worked on the quill campaign for about 4 months in new york. there are two offices in the new york area that i'm aware of (one promoted out the other). In the beginning, all was well. I got promoted fast, built my team and was well on my way to being an assistant manager. then my manager said, why dont you and your team follow your assistant manager to open her office? I said sure, even though I knew it would put me in a more difficult situation because the money spent while working was well more than i was making at the time. transportation, toll, food(etc). well i followed my assistant manager along with my guys to the other office where she needed to get additional training. i performed well there but my guys were struggling. ** one of my guys actually moved from new mexico to work for us ( i felt really bad for him when he told me his stories of how he wasnt making enough money and how he couldnt even find time to bring his suits to the dry cleaners). we all wore the same suits everyday, trying to mask the smells with cologne and deodorant. we all had crappy shoes and were all tired as hell everyday from all the walking. they say if you see 60-80 doors you're bound to make 3 sales. so we all worked our asses off. my guy eventually quit. i quit shortly after, and here's why i quit. i was fine with the hard work and walking through the nyc snow and crap.... i'll give you the breakdown of why i quit and why i couldn't take it anymore.
it all started like this,
my manager's assistant won a vacation to go to the bahamas on some radio station. she of course took her boss so she wouldnt get fired. the boss and the manager went away for a week. well the whole office worked our asses off to impress the manager when he got back. and we did very well as a whole. only to realize that we couldnt get paid that week because the manager neglected to think about the little money that was due to us. we got paid the week after, now how ridiculous is that? then, because we were in a different office at the time ( due to the training of our assistant manager) we never got paid on fridays like the rest of the people in our original office and the people in the current office. we got our paychecks on tuesday after everyone got theirs. even up to that point, i was find with that.
then the absurdities came rolling in. i got sick one day(flu) and i asked the manager if i can take a day or two off so i can regain my strength and hit the field with energy. he said NO. (as if he was paying me to work everyday). as an independent contractor, we dont get paid by the hour or by day. there were many times i went out and worked my *** off and came home with $0 or very little. i rang the bell many times, at least 3-4 times a week so i was pretty good at what i did. so dont call me a wimp or a quitter. the manager told me this... GET A DOCTOR's NOTE saying that you were sick, then maybe we'll let you come back.. because i just decided that i wasnt going to go in to the office.

and to top it off, the last day that i showed up to the office i found people walking all over my "territory". and stealing accounts that i've been working on (hassling them over and over again).

to make a long story short,
cydcor is a good, successful company. i'll admit that, but the people in management positions dont make alot of money and its ****ing obvious. they wear the same **** we do and eat take out chinese food in their tiny(empty) offices. most offices have 1 computer and a printer and are in tiny little offices where when you walk in, you're like.. wtf.. this is an office?

the managers are the ones to blame. they are so money hungry(because they have none), that they'll do anything to keep you on the field.

i dont recommend this company for anyone who wants to make a career out of it. a summer job, yes.. its great but thats about it.

OH! another thing... any large orders,(big commision accounts) get mysteriously cancelled or stay pending. i have quit that buiness for over a year now, my manager still owes me money on accounts pending. im sure he kept that money because, quite frankly he needs it more than i do.

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I have worked for a similar spin off company which was amazing... so I thought. I was promised the world and even taken abroad but I found to my expense that the promises were actually empty!
I would work until 10:30 - 11:00 every night and start at 8:30 six days a week.
I was lulled into a false sense of security by the wealth that I was shown by assistant managers and mangers alike.
I moved away with work to open an office with a colleague who got promoted after only a year, so I was told. I later found out that he had been working there for 4 years. Why lie? Who knows? The whole set up was built on lies. Oddly enough it all went wrong, the office didn't last and they all had to move back to the promoting owners office. I stayed as I found a lady friend and now I have a great career doing something real.
I'm not saying that one or two people wont be successful but the amount of people that left during the time I worked for them was staggering(I was there for 1 1/2 years). I'm not bitter because I wouldn't be in the position I am now if I hadn't worked there. It gave me an experience that I will never forget and I met some people who I would rather forget! I just wish I had taken the advice and opinions of friends and family who are probably saying I told you so!!
I wish your husband and you the best and just hope that his vision of success and wealth aren't being blurred by the lies and deception of the people he works with.
Best wishes.

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Originally posted by soleglow:
My husband is currently working for a company from home named Innovage. I'm pretty skeptical about it. They sell clearance items. They have deals with Disney, the NFL, Crayola, and Samsonite. I have to agree, they have pretty good products for a very low price, but the company itself is what bothers me.

First of all, he works 12 hour days. I drop him off work at 7am and I don't pick him up until 7pm. They do door-to-door business sales in the local area. The position is soley commission based. The company sort of works on a mlm structure..once you make $80 in profits for 3 days, you begin to train other employees that the company interviews themselves. Once he trains a certain # of those employees, and they train a certain number of employees, you become assistant manager. And then I think the next generation has to train another set of employees, and then you become manager. Once you build up a big enough crew, you can declare yourself owner and the company will help you find a distribution warehouse location. You pick your own name, pay the rent, utilities, and continue to train/hire new crew, etc., My worries are, so far from what I've read about the business, it doesn't sound good. Many angry, bitter employees and even owners have given bad reviews about this company, but my husband continues to defend them. Some people have even gone so far as to call them a "cult" like scam. There were a couple days my husband worked 12 hour days and only came home with $40 cash. I told him that if he didn't start making more soon, he'd have to find work elsewhere because that's just not cuttin' it. His owner sat us down and told us that we should round off a figure we need to survive on weekly, and as long as my husband is on time, working hard, and trying his best, he'll supplement whatever amount we need to survive on just to keep him on the team. He said he doesn't do this for everyone, but he's willing to do it for my husband because he feels like he "knows he can do it".

Anyway, to make a long story short, I wanted to know if anybody else had worked for or owned a part of Ds-Max, Innovage, Cydcor, Granton Marketing, etc., They have many names, and each owner names their business their own name, but the main corporation are named those 4 names just mentioned above.

Any words of advice, experience, opinions, etc., would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.


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