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Old 08-14-2009, 01:34 PM
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Default Dishonesty of some "Obama healthcare" opponents exposed

Two British women (Katie Brickell and Kate Spall) who have become the unwitting stars of a campaign to derail Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms yesterday said that their views on the NHS had been misrepresented.

Both appear in adverts for Conservatives for Patients’ Rights (CPR), a far right-wing lobbying group that opposes Obama’s plans for universal medical insurance, which have caused a transatlantic rift over the merits of the UK's National Health Service.

Government ministers and the Prime Minister have weighed in to the row to defend the healthcare service as Republicans claimed that adopting an NHS-style system would lead to "death panels" that would preside over who received lifesaving treatment. (Are people actually gullible enough to believe this?!).

They were told they were being interviewed for a documentary examining healthcare reform. Neither was aware that the footage was to be used for far right-wing advertisements.

Ms Spall said: "It has been a bit of a nightmare. It was a real test of my naivety. I am a very trusting person and for me it has been a big lesson. The NHS was portrayed in these advertisements as 'socialized medicine'. I was duped."

Ms Brickell said "What I said has been skewed out of all proportion. I'm slightly worried that people might think I'm taking a negative position on the NHS."

Professor Karol Sikora, the London-based internationally renowned British NHS cancer specialist who also appears in the adverts, has said that he fell victim to the same dishonest technique.

Professor Stephen Hawking, the eminent Cambridge scientist, has also been drawn into the row after the American newspaper Investor’s Business Daily used an editorial to claim that he "wouldn’t have a chance in the UK" because the NHS would have deemed him "worthless", given his physical disabilities. ProfessorHawking, who has an unusual form of motor neuron disease, entirely rejected criticism of the NHS yesterday as he collected America’s highest civilian honour, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. "I would not be here today if not for the NHS," he said.
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:00 PM
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I'm sure there was a link to the story ole wise one?
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:44 PM
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That's okay I found it.

Anti-healthcare lobbyists duped us, say Katie Brickell and Kate Spall - Times Online

Let's post what Yulia left out.

Ms Spall, whose mother died of kidney cancer while waiting for treatment, and Ms Brickell, who had cervical cancer diagnosed after being refused a smear test because she was too young, appear in the adverts telling how they were failed by the NHS.

Ms Spall, who runs the Pamela Northcott Fund, to fight for patients denied treatment, said that she stood by what she said

“The NHS let me down and I just wanted to make the point that people should not rely solely on it.

“My point was not that the NHS shouldn’t exist or that it was a bad thing. I think that our health service is not perfect but to get better it needs more public money, not less.

And my personal favorite comment from the link.

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None of these people have said that their words were taken out of context. It appears that they're upset because their words are being used for a case against socialized medicine. What's wrong with that?
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:10 PM
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Thanks, Kamie....
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:48 PM
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The Times wasn't my source (I have just an email from a doctor in London, and no link, otherwise I'd have quoted it as I normally do), but thanks for digging that up. I understand it's been prominent in a lot of UK newspapers today in various guises, but I haven't seen any of them myself. (We can get some UK papers here, but we normally get them a day late.)

Interesting about Hawking getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom and commenting that he wouldn't have been there at all without the NHS: sounds just like him!
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:12 PM
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Just because some people complain about a system, doesn't make it all bad, or mean they want to throw out the system. Obviously the ladies were misrepresented.

I bet we can find a lot more people in the USA who have been left out of treatments that could have saved their lives due to not having access to the same tests. We are 37th after all.

In other countries it is very patriotic to criticize the government, to make government do its job and work better. They don't want to end the NHS they want to improve it.

That is VASTLY different from what has been presented by CPR.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:26 PM
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Would that be similar to the Obama for America orginizer that posed as a primary care physician at a Congressional town hall debate in Texas. Turns out she never set foot in medical school. That of course doesn't seem to be an issue for the mainstream media. The papers did made a correction because they originally identified her as a doctor but that's it.

Nobody cares when astro turf is on the other party's efforts.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:35 PM
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Just because some people complain about a system, doesn't make it all bad, or mean they want to throw out the system. Obviously the ladies were misrepresented.

I bet we can find a lot more people in the USA who have been left out of treatments that could have saved their lives due to not having access to the same tests. We are 37th after all.

In other countries it is very patriotic to criticize the government, to make government do its job and work better. They don't want to end the NHS they want to improve it.

That is VASTLY different from what has been presented by CPR.

So why are the health care protestors in this country being labeled unpatriotic, mobs, and astro turf protestors? In this country we have a strong tradition of first amendment rights. Why was it OK to protest everything for the last eight years and now we are all being told to shut up and go along?
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They don't want to end the NHS they want to improve it.

That is VASTLY different from what has been presented by CPR.
Yes, clearly they've been fraudulently misrepresented. (I don't imagine anyone's actually questioning that, are they?). Along with Professor Sikora, and the ludicrous misstatements about himself that Stephen Hawking was apparently so determined to correct.

It seems obvious that there are some excellent medical care facilities in the US, perhaps even on the same level of excellence as those anywhere in the world. It's just difficult for people from other countries to understand quite how the situation in which such a proportion of people don't have access to them has been tolerated for so long.

Anyway, it seems pretty clear that the government there has an unequivocal and duly democratically elected legitimate mandate to do something about that now, doesn't it?

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Old 08-14-2009, 04:57 PM
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Based on the current polls, no. Congressmen and women are finding there is no popular mandate for this bill that transfers power over health care to the government. Electing Obama was not surrendering freedoms as Obamites assumed. Thankfully if slowly the American people are waking up.
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