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Old 08-05-2007, 04:38 PM
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Inconsistencies on the "War on Terror"







Here
is another issue I have with the so called war on terrorism. The
administration will release information (see the link below about
public statements made by Michael Chertoff) about a possible attack in
the form of dirty bombs.

I saw on TV several years ago a
professor who is the countries leading expert on dirty bombs who tested out in the field all types of dirty bombs and
measured the disbursement of radioactivity and he concluded that a
dirty bomb is a very inefficient way to expose the population to
radioactivity. But the main stream media never reported this good news.

See Michael Chertoff's statement:

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/07/chertoff-predicts-simultaneous-lasan.html

See the professors comments on effectiveness of dirty bombs:

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/gentips/02/07dirtybomb.html

Michael
Chertoff and his Homeland Security knows that dirty bombs are not
practical, so his public statement is irresponsible and is misleading.


It is indicative of the administrative strategy to create a climate of
fear and control the population. The media has allowed themselves to be
pawns in this and so far it has worked well.

Lets face it, 99
percent of Americans will not use the internet to do their own research
and make their own assessment. If they did, they would discover how
badly the media has failed to report the truth.

But I blame the
media more than I blame the government about this disinformation
campaign.

No matter how contradictory the government is in releasing
information, it is almost never questioned by the press who simply report what they hear.

Having
said this, I do know that there are extremist Muslims who wish to do
harm to the west.

But what is usually not reported is that these same
Muslims also wish to kill moderate Muslims as well.

I believe
that the idea that the reason we have not been attacked here is because
we are keeping the terrorists busy in Iraq is not logical.

A
terrorist is not a soldier. A terrorist is suppose to create terror
among a civilian population so it would be much easier for them to
cross our open borders and scare and create terror here at home while
all of our troops are in Iraq than it would to put their own lives at
risk fighting the most highly trained and sophisticated army in the
world.

Further, logic would indicate that if 911 was indeed
committed by terrorists, they would have been exceedingly pleased with
the results of the attack on 911 and its intended outcome. So, wouldn't it
make sense that they would follow the same strategy of terrorizing the
US population at home.

The attacks in London are proof that we have not kept the terrorists tied down in Iraq.

Also,
do you remember after 911 how we were told that terror cells existed
within the US and they were sleeper cells and that anyone of them could
go active at a moments notice?

Where are they, why haven't they
activated these "sleeper cells" and created havoc here in the US to
demoralize America ? Why would they let 6 years go by and not produce
some event to keep us frightened?

Also, why would Bush say that our army is keeping the terrorist at bay in Iraq if there are supposed to be sleeper cells in the US.

Do you see what I'm saying? So much of this information we are told is not cohesive.......it just doesn't make any sense.

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Old 08-05-2007, 06:24 PM
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99 percent of people won't use the internet to do their own research??? I highly disagree with that statement. If anything its the opposite, who isn't using the internet for just about everything these days?

I have yet to meet ANYONE who believes that what the media tells us is all true. And as far as the sleeper cells go, maybe they aren't getting the funds they need to carry out their plans because the so called leaders are tied up in this war, and its just a tad bit more difficult to send/receive funds these days... To think these people don't live here among us, IMO, is quite naive. All those who carried out 9/11 all lived here for quite sometime before they carried through their plans.
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:48 PM
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It is indicative of the administrative strategy to create a climate of
fear and control the population. The media has allowed themselves to be
pawns in this and so far it has worked well.
Been a very successful endeavor, hasn't it? I'm seeing a slight change in American sentiment, though. Hopeing it grows.

It's not that people don't know how to do their own research. It's really quite simple....APATHY. And that is another tool that politicians use to succeed in their double speak and "sleight of tongue" misdirections.

Bottom line:

There should be a war on terror, but it should be a balanced effort that considers all the other needs in this country (health care, infrastructure, commerce, trade - I could go on and on - should also be just as important - unfortunately, they aren't quite as "sexy and titillating" are they?). Diplomacy, border control, defense strategies, covert operations are all some of the strategies we should be employing to fight the war on terror. Limiting the civil liberties of American CITIZENS (yes...that word is in caps for a reason) should not be one of those strategies.


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Old 08-05-2007, 08:44 PM
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Kelbell,

I see posts on here all the time where people ask a question that they could have easily gotten off the search engines. The majority of the population has a 100 IQ.

I can't tell you how many people I talk to who have no idea of the laws and executive orders that have been passed that take away our rights.
But they can tell you all about Paris Hilton and American Idol.

The main stream press has not reported that most of the named hijackers are still alive. Some of them have given interviews on European and Middle eastern television when they saw in the news that their pictures were listed as the hijackers.

On the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist website, Bin Laden is not even listed as being wanted for the attack on 9/11. He is wanted for the attack on the USS Cole and several embassey bombings. An FBI spokesman stated that the reason he is not wanted for the attacks on 9/11 is because there is no evidence he was involved.

I find that contradiction interesting every time I hear the President or some Congressmen or news reporter repeat the fable that Bin Laden did it. Not according to the FBI. So, who is telling the truth, Bush or the FBI.

Four hours after the attack on 9/11, the media stated that intelligence sources (I love that term) indicated the attack looked like the work of Bin Laden. What a brilliant piece of detective work. They solved the case in just four hours!

Wouldn't a terrorist (whos job it is to create terror) want to take credit for the biggest terror attack in the history of the world ? But on that day, Bin Laden said he did not do it. Most terrorists have egos and they want people to be afraid of them.

The still photo you see on the news of Atta and another hijacker coming into the airport is not the Boston Logan airport, its the Portland Maine airport. He had to connect to get to Boston according to the FBI. But the problem is that the Boston Logan airport was the only airport in the country that did not have any video cameras in the arrival/departure area so no hijackers were filmed getting on any of the planes. What a coincidence. And we are told that this attack was so complex it had to be planned years in advance, ok, so why did Atta wait until the day before to buy his first class ticket ? What if the flight had been booked? Oops!

I doubt there are sleeper cells here. If they are, they are in a coma. I am sorry but I don't believe anything our government says because they only tell you what they want you to know and the press just repeats it without ever questioning it. They are dupes.

You remember the news report of a terror cell that was broken up in Florida and the terrorists were planning to blow up the Sear Tower?

Well, they had no money, and no materials and no plan. It was the FBI infiltrator who made the suggestion to the group. This was admitted by Attorney General Gonzales later.

There are extremist muslims in the world but they want to kill everyone, including non extremist muslims.

The odds of you being killed in a real terrorist attack is less than being struck by lighting or dying from the flu.

I don't believe the official governments version of events on 911.

In fact, the Head of the 911 Commission doesn't believe them either.

But don't believe me, its all out there on the internet for you to find.

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Old 08-05-2007, 09:09 PM
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On the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist website, Bin Laden is not even listed as being wanted for the attack on 9/11. He is wanted for the attack on the USS Cole and several embassey bombings. An FBI spokesman stated that the reason he is not wanted for the attacks on 9/11 is because there is no evidence he was involved.

I find that contradiction interesting every time I hear the President or some Congressmen or news reporter repeat the fable that Bin Laden did it. Not according to the FBI. So, who is telling the truth, Bush or the FBI.
The FBI's Top ten says....

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

That last statement could include 9/11 and just not be spelled out word for word.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:30 AM
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Maybe you have limited circle of friends if all you hear is celeb gossip. Oddly enough walk around the neighborhood here with the locals walking dogs, out with their kids in stollers and you'll here them discussing local political issues being debated by the City Council, State House issues, and yes what's going on not just in our country but around the world. Perhaps you need to broaden your circle of friends to a more adult crowd.

There are plenty of people who look for escape from time to time into various past times, entertainment venues, etc. However, the people in my life probably can't name the last American Idol. As I said perhaps time to change your social life?
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I was just picking my son up from camp the other day and one of the parents had Obama stickers all over her car. One of the counselors, who must have been no older than 18, said "oh your an Obama fan?" and then she and a few people standing around got into a political discussion about who they support, who they hate, etc. These were pretty young people discussing it, and although I stayed out of it, I was listening closely. Yes you hear a lot about Paris and Brittney, but I really believe the majority of this country could care less about hollyweird! And I think the youth of America is becoming more and more aware of the goings on in this country, and taking notice. When I was in high school, I was lucky if I knew the presidents name, and I could care less who it was. Politics were for the "old!!" Its different these days I think. When I went to vote last time around, that place was FILLED with young people. I felt old standing there in line!!! And since when is the internet full of nothing but facts? The internet is just as bad as the media, just looking something up doesn't mean its true by any means. If you want to find out the truth, you need to do research on your own and come to your own conclusions. And what your saying about Logan and the airport in Maine, I had already heard that when this whole thing went down, on the news, so where's the surprise?
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:21 AM
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The majority of the population has a 100 IQ.
Actually the mean IQ is 100, meaning if that is your IQ score then you are roughly in the middle of intelligence for the entire population.

http://www.psyonline.nl/en-iq.htm

And just because people can't tell you every law that has been passed but can tell you all about Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie doesn't make them stupid. Just means that they don't spend every minute of every day immersed in the depressing world of politics and the war on terror.

It is perfectly possible to be highly intelligent and not be interested in either of those subjects to an obsessive degree. I offer myself up as an example.

But I can guarantee you that if I wanted the info I could find it and I wouldn't have to rely on others to provide it for me. I would probably be able to find it in *gasp* a library without using the internet at all.

As far as 9/11 goes, well of course there is contradictory evidence out there. People can set up a website for free and say just about anything they want about anything they want. I suppose you think the government is somehow obligated to release any and all info to the American public. Simple fact, sometimes we don't have the right to know.
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:11 AM
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After working in the federal govt for a career and now being in my 50s, and getting to travel from Ca. to Boston and in between I used to have a wide circle of friends. I agree that you can be intelligent and not interested in world affairs.

My security classification in my agency and being a computer specialist gives me a good perspective of why the govt has a need to know on many issues but I was not talking about those. But thank you for in info on that subject. (hehe).

I was mainly referring to the practices Senator Ron Paul referenced regarding open government and how it relates to the current administration.
Unfortunately my circle of friends is now small because I live in a small town and many people here have closed minds and in fact many don't even care what goes on in the world unless it happens right here in town. When I lived in Dallas, the opposite was true. Many people did watch the news and had opinions on matters. What was said in one of the posts above is so true about how nowadays one has to do their research and come up with their own judgements.

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Old 08-06-2007, 10:34 AM
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You obviously have very strong opinions and feel a need to express them on line are you like that in public too?

I will talk politics and all with friends and neighbors who are interested and can speak without getting in a tither if you don't share the same views or feel the need to preach "their gospel" if you will on world politics and events. The minute I find someone in person who feels the need to "educate" me about what I don't know I quickly do change the subject to "how about those Red Sox" or some other such easy to discuss topic. I have no desire to educated by those who feel I must not read, listen, or understand just because I have a different perspective or viewpoint on an issue. I will listen to those who can discuss it, but be lectured, sorryI have neither the interest or the time.
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