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JUNEGIRL72 07-06-2011 04:48 PM

Titan chains
 
Has anyone ever heard of titan chains before? They are a work at home asembly co. I am thinking about joining them but would love to know if anyone has had experience with the company.

odglass4u 07-07-2011 06:37 AM

titan chains
 
i am thinking about signing up with them myself their bbb record is a (b-)so thats still pretty good and no complaints in the last 3 years if they pay like they say a person could maybe make some good money ;)

LARRYLIVE 07-07-2011 09:22 AM

Titan Chains
 
I just got a good look at their whole site it seems legit especially with the B- rating with the BBB. If this is legit I am in. As of right now the only legit company has only been NEC

odglass4u 07-09-2011 01:43 AM

titan chains
 
i just signed up with them today will post how its goes i hope its as easy as they say could make some real good money if so would like to replace my fulltime income in the future if possible but thats in the future. i did a search and could not find any bad about them anywhere i looked i even tried different search engines and still nothing bad anywhere hope it goes great i would really like to do this fulltime:cool:

Katey 07-09-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by odglass4u (Post 2795095)
i just signed up with them today will post how its goes i hope its as easy as they say could make some real good money if so would like to replace my fulltime income in the future if possible but thats in the future. i did a search and could not find any bad about them anywhere i looked i even tried different search engines and still nothing bad anywhere hope it goes great i would really like to do this fulltime:cool:

I'm giving Titan Chains some serious thought too, they sound very reasonable. Either return the tools they give you in good condition, if you decide it is not working out for you, or make 15 lots and you get your $65 fee back. I would love to believe that a great full-time income for doing such simple (relatively), straightforward work is possible but I am so hesitant to hand over any money to anyone at this time.

If you could update us as far as how it goes for you that would be great, that would be much appreciated. Thanks for the post and good luck!!

Katey

jemsw 07-10-2011 04:40 AM

Titan Chains
 
I signed up with them a couple of weeks ago. Supplies arrived last week.Their website has instructions for making the bracelets but I am having some difficulty getting started. It isn't quite as simple as they indicate. I think once I get a couple of rows done it should go fairly well. Would be nice at $15 per bracelet.

Jerseychick86 07-11-2011 08:18 AM

I decided to give this a try. I ordered it this morning. Once I get my materials and try to make it I will post about it.

a_friend 07-11-2011 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LARRYLIVE (Post 2794275)
I just got a good look at their whole site it seems legit especially with the B- rating with the BBB. If this is legit I am in. As of right now the only legit company has only been NEC

The B- rating though is due to the fact that they have not been in business that long according to the BBB. Also the website has only been around since 2009. So in my opinion not enough to think either way about it. Also why there is not a lot of info about them around would be my guess.

fiberfolly 07-13-2011 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jemsw (Post 2795522)
I signed up with them a couple of weeks ago. Supplies arrived last week.Their website has instructions for making the bracelets but I am having some difficulty getting started. It isn't quite as simple as they indicate. I think once I get a couple of rows done it should go fairly well. Would be nice at $15 per bracelet.

I would be very interested to hear how this goes. It DOES seem like one of the most legitamate wah biz's I have seen so far, but it depends on how difficult it really is.

Maria59 07-14-2011 10:45 AM

I tried it, have the kit at home, but as you can read what jemsw here said, it's not as simple as they indicates. My opinion to this is, it's really hard to do. I couldn't do it, it hurted my fingers, and I just couldn't get the weaving right, it was one big mess. I just don't want to spend more time on this. I'll send my package back tomorrow.

Katey 07-14-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria59 (Post 2797970)
I tried it, have the kit at home, but as you can read what jemsw here said, it's not as simple as they indicates. My opinion to this is, it's really hard to do. I couldn't do it, it hurted my fingers, and I just couldn't get the weaving right, it was one big mess. I just don't want to spend more time on this. I'll send my package back tomorrow.

Thanks for letting everyone know. Those chains do look hard to make and I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the money that Titan Chains claims that people can make with them just isn't possible. Could please let us know if Titan Chains are honest and return your money like they claim? Thanks again for your post.

Katey

a_friend 07-14-2011 01:37 PM

I also jumped on tha bandwagon with this because a couple of my friends decided to try it too and we thought this was something we could do together. As has been said it's hard to do. I did manage to make one. Once you put it through the thing with the holes in it, it does look a lot better. However these bracelets are time consuming. It took me almost an entire day to make one. I think this would be more a craft for guys to do if this company is legit. You need to have a lot of hand strength to do it. I did send my kit back and I did get a refund. I think if they would have used a lighter weight wire this would have been much easier to do. Oh well live and learn.

wmoore 07-14-2011 03:54 PM

Titan Chains
 
I ordered 2 kits last week. I assembled one bracelet set and sent it in for a review Monday 7/11. It is still to soon but I have not heard the results yet. I found making the chains was quiet easy. Once you get a rhythm going they seem to come together. I have not completed one full lot yet as I am waiting on the results from my sample sent in this week. So I will keep you posted as to what they say and maybe I can be of some help.

odglass4u 07-14-2011 04:40 PM

titan chains
 
i got my kit but have not started as of yet been a little lazy on my end but will try soon hope it comes together like they say will keep you posted

starlighthill 07-15-2011 03:36 AM

wmoore, did it require a lot of hand strength to make the chain? I'm curious why you ordered 2 kits. Is there another offer besides the pair of bracelets?
I look forward to hearing how you did.

wmoore 07-15-2011 10:07 AM

Titan Chains
 
The key is not really strength as much as it is getting your wire positioned on the mandrel correctly. The chain will eventually come together as you work your way down. It does require some strength and consistency. I have not heard anything yet on my sample so I will keep you all posted. I ordered 2 kits so I could work on one while the other was in transit to the company.

Time consuming? Well it is just like anything else new as you work on them your speed will gradually progress. Everyone will make a bracelet at their own pace.

princess4ever 07-16-2011 12:48 AM

i just read all the post and i love these forms. never heard of the company but it looks interesting. please keep us updated i would be interested in trying this. thanks :)

fiberfolly 07-17-2011 03:18 PM

How these chains are made
 
If you go to Youtube and search viking knit you will see what making these chains entails. It is basically like knitting a tube with wire around a rod. It doesn't look hard to execute, but I would think the tensioning might be difficult at first. I'm thinking about trying it out with materials from Michael's Arts and Crafts before sending my money to this company. Their address is 30 miles from where I live, and I am pretty sure it is one of those mail box locations. That does not necessarily mean they are not legit, but it makes me wonder why they don't use the actual address of the business, unless THEY are working out of their homes too. I may give them a call and see if they will tell me where they distribute their chains. I would really like for this to be legit, as I think I would enjoy making these. I hope for all of us that they are :D.

fiberfolly 07-17-2011 05:03 PM

Okay, I did some more research, googled viking knit, and found this site. If you scroll down and view the video called "Margot and Stephanie," at 6:02 Stephanie says it takes an hour to do 4 to 5 inches of this, which translates into 8 to 10 inches of 'chain'. There is NO way anybody can make two bracelets in 1 to 2 hours, like the Titan Chains website states. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. I do not think there is any work at home craft business that isn't labor and time intensive to make a little bit of money. That doesn't mean they are a scam, although they DO misinform, which is a shame.

Katey 07-18-2011 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fiberfolly (Post 2799669)
Okay, I did some more research, googled viking knit, and found this site. If you scroll down and view the video called "Margot and Stephanie," at 6:02 Stephanie says it takes an hour to do 4 to 5 inches of this, which translates into 8 to 10 inches of 'chain'. There is NO way anybody can make two bracelets in 1 to 2 hours, like the Titan Chains website states. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. I do not think there is any work at home craft business that isn't labor and time intensive to make a little bit of money. That doesn't mean they are a scam, although they DO misinform, which is a shame.

Thanks very much for all of the research you did. I think you are right on about this. Making jewelry for Titan Chains is probably possible but the burning question is, as it is with ALL wah crafting companies, how many can you do and how quickly can you do them. My gut tells me that Titan Chains does pay for the chains people make but that people who craft for them should definitely not expect to make $2,000.00 a month working for them. I'm disappointed too, it really is a shame that all work-at-home crafting opportunities have all these little catches.

voicetress 07-19-2011 07:19 AM

Titan Chains Facts
 
First post so I can unlock restrictions.

voicetress 07-19-2011 07:20 AM

Titan Chains Facts
 
Domain titanchains.com owner is Marc Weiberg
24032 102nd PL W
Edmonds, WA 98020

If you google this address and look at the satelite map of the location and decide for yourself.
Or you can copy and paste this into your browser to go directly to the address.http://maps.google.com/maps?q=24032+102nd+Pl+W,+Edmonds,+WA+98020-5715&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x54901a79ce98b88d:0x73c694e0de899d7b, 24032+102nd+Pl+W,+Edmonds,+WA+98020&gl=us&iwloc=ly rftr:transit,0x54901a78e70e94c3:0x23a8ddaa993710f6 &ei=tBz8TbabIvCs0AGDytC1Aw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result& ct=transit-link&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQsAUwAA

Another owner listed having association with Titan Chains is Eric Weissman. You can find him at www.linkedin.com.

Washington State Department of Revnue Business Records indicates they opened an account on 02/01/2011 as TITANCRAFT LLC.

The address they give you to send back your bracelets is NOT a business address but in fact a MAILBOX because I called a business next door FEDEX to see if this company was legit. The address they give is 9792 Edmonds Way 302, Edmonds WA.

I attempted to call the number they provided 3-4 weeks ago and a message was on the machine. "Due to a family emergency we are unable to take your calls but will return such and such date"

Now....my experience with titan chains. I ordered a kit made style 1 first. They didn't turn out of course they were loose and I figured this was my first try so I'm sure they will forgive my flaws. I made style 2 which I felt turned out well and in fact they did because they passed my style 2. I sent them an email explaining style 1 was done incorrectly.

Long story short they send you a payout sheet to your email explaining any corrections, payout information etc. I waited to here from them when I sent in my lot sure they would give me a second chance on style one. After all I did show on style 2 I could not only do the bracelet but showed that I improved. Well my payout letter come to my email stating of course style 1 would not pass but style 2 did. They paid me for the entire lot plus my deposit back and asked me not to work for them anymore. Of course I was crushed because they can be quite addicting to make plus I was looking forward to making some money at home. I emailed them and asked them for a second chance. These emails were marked "Eric Weisman". He blamed his own material may be at fault for the crafters not being able to fully assemble the style 1 correctly and would get with me later when their supply company and "owners" decided what they were gonna do. (Email was from the owner). Also said they were holding a meeting to sort things out.

So I see they are still accepting orders on their website for someone who says it's the companies materials at fault for these chains not going together correctly. To me if it was such a problem wouldn't you place a "not accepting new crafters at this time" on the website? So I don't believe the website when it tells you if mistakes are made we will work with you (or something along those lines). If they are looking for perfect bracelets then I suggest they send a video demo and state on their website "Only experienced" chain assemblers. Not throw a website out there for anybody to sign up and waste their time. And be truthful about how hard they are to make. And I would say my experience with the bracelets someone could make at maximum 2 lots (16 bracelets) a week unless you NEVER put them down 24/7. I am saying this because if they are that picky to fire me over my style 1 the first time, no-one could assemble that fast and keep them the way they want them.

Note: When I finished my first Lot my husband sent it overnight (no signature required) not knowing it wasn't allowed. He didn't know but I do think they got mad about this as well because I didn't follow directions. Moody individuals again no room for mistakes. Would make you wonder if they did hire you if in the future they would just pull the plug on you.

So..they did pay.
Did return my deposit.
Fired me for one of two styles wrong the very first shipment.

The big question here is what are they up to? Time will tell. Make your own judgement.

starlighthill 07-19-2011 08:09 AM

This is a real mixed bag of feedback on this company and how hard the bracelets are. It's good to know they paid and returned a deposit. Not so good that they fire someone over their first try.
My kit arrived yesterday and I decided to start with Style 1. I can say that I was extremely frustrated at first. The hardest part for me was getting the thing started on the tiny mandrel. Once I got it going and began to understand how it all worked, it was much easier. As wmoore said, consistency is key.
I have a couple of tips to pass on.
1. Use a light you can direct on the work, like a Testor lamp. This is quite fine work.
2. Put bandaids on your fingers where they come in consistently come in contact with the wire. Pulling the wire digs into your skin. For me, I wrapped my index finger above the first knuckle and the same place on my pinky. I ended up double wrapping my index finger.
I found the work enjoyable and a nice break from my other WAH job.
I am having difficulty getting the memory wire through the bracelet. Any suggestions?
Diane

starlighthill 07-19-2011 08:18 AM

Voicetress, were you working with Titanium wire? The supplies I received were surgical grade stainless steel. I was surprised since I assumed the titan in Titan Chains was due to the titanium material in their jewelry.
Diane

voicetress 07-19-2011 08:19 AM

Memory Wire help
 
The easiest thing to do with the memory wire is :

1. Do not straighten the memory wire.
2. Curl your bracelet to resemble the circle of the memory wire in your hand.
3. If the bracelet gets stuck on the memory wire pull it back and spin the bracelet as you push the memory wire thru.

Both the bracelet and the memory wire should be in a circle shape when you push it thru. It's a two hand method and takes a little getting used to.

Hope this helps.

voicetress 07-19-2011 08:24 AM

Yes they sent me the stainless steal wire.

voicetress 07-19-2011 09:18 AM

Where are these bracelets being sold?
 
I have looked all over the internet for these bracelets. I would like to know how he is affording to pay crafters $15.00 per bracelet. Are home crafted bracelets that high in demand in today economy? If anyone contacts them to get this information or can find these bracelets at any website I would like to see it.

I don't think we are sending in the finished product. Something else is being added to these bracelets if in fact they are being sold somewhere or this is a complete scheme of some kind.

I hope no one is typing in their social security number when they sign up for this company.

I do know they are tied to that wholesale site ebay owns I can't remember the name of it but when I do I will let you all know.

And I will also post anything else that I can remember about this company.

moimoimoi 07-19-2011 10:23 AM

voicetress: titanum is a considered like a semi-precious or precious metal... with a diameter of 0.001, 0.002 or 0.003 in. a spool of 10 ft cost around $100. A spool of 10 ft. with a diameter of 0.005 in costs around $130.

I guess if you buy gross you can have it for much less... if you check on titanchains' site they seel a 400' spool for $60...

It's all a question of profit... You won't sell a silver plated wire bracelet the same price as a titanum one... the advantage of titanum is it's hypoallergenic... (hope it's the right term..)

So that's why they can pay $15 per bracelet... they probably sell them for $40 or $50 .. maybe more!!!

Just to give you an example with something else... If you look for swarovsky crystal... you'll pay between $20 to $25 for 144 crystals in a local beads store. You can make what we call a dodecahedron (like a ball) with only 30 crystals and sell it (yes only the dodecahedron) for $30.... it takes 5 minutes to make one!!! This is how the market works...

princess4ever 07-19-2011 08:58 PM

materials
 
i know they give you a website link to show how to make them. is it easy to follow? can anyone post a link to it so the rest of us can look and see if we can do them?

thanks

wahmbamtymam 07-19-2011 11:25 PM

Has anyone gotten reviewed yet?
 
Just wondering if anyone has made any money off of this venture.

starlighthill 07-20-2011 07:48 AM

Thanks for the tips on getting the memory wire through. I think that my problem was spots where the tension was too tight and where I joined wire. I did finally get it through, but the wire was very stretched out from all the manipulating that the bracelet doesn't hold its shape. I figured the first one would be flawed and hope for big improvements on the next one.
Thanks to all for sharing their experiences.
Diane

a_friend 07-20-2011 08:11 AM

Voicetress I appreciate your post and you have brought up some things I have been wondering as well. The thing that is unsettling is that fact that they asked you not to assemble for them anymore The reason this doesn't hit home right with me is that they say there is no passing any kind of inspection. They also state that if they receive a bracelet incorrectly done they either fix it themselves or send it back to you with instructions on how to fix it. So for them to let you go like that is not right.

Another thing that raises a red flag for me with this company is that all the youtube videos I watched on this process of how to makes these and all the websites I looked at with instructions on how to make these there is something that is not making sense to me. I don't know what gauge wire this surgical steel grade wire is that they send in the kits but everything I have seen or read states the wire whould be semi-hard and between 20 to 30 gauge at the most. Now to me this wire they are using does not fall within the guidelines that I have read for how to make these bracelets. So if indeed this Eric is blaming his supplies for the inability to make these for some then why has it not been changed? Surely they must have seen the information on the Internet about them. And frankly why do you need to use wire this strong to make them with?

I too have been searching the Internet trying to find out where these are being sold at IF at all but have not been able to come up with anything either.... I would love to hear someone say they pay and they are legit but gut feeling is that isn't going to happen.

andyb8079 07-20-2011 10:24 AM

Looks like this will be my first venture into crafting, so I will let everyone know how it goes for me.

fiberfolly 07-20-2011 01:05 PM

so did you read anything that was stated on this thread?? and you are still going to give it a try when it so clearly is a company that does not know what it is doing, whether their intention is to scam and they can't even get that right (not that I think they should), or they just are not using appropriate materials? So far people have gotten their money back, but that may not continue. I would think twice before giving this a try.

andyb8079 07-20-2011 02:23 PM

Thank you for your concern, I did read all the posts that were there before I ordered. I have very strong hands and that is why I decided to try it. Had only seen one slightly negative post before I ordered the 15th.

voicetress 07-20-2011 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_friend (Post 2801221)
Voicetress I appreciate your post and you have brought up some things I have been wondering as well. The thing that is unsettling is that fact that they asked you not to assemble for them anymore The reason this doesn't hit home right with me is that they say there is no passing any kind of inspection. They also state that if they receive a bracelet incorrectly done they either fix it themselves or send it back to you with instructions on how to fix it. So for them to let you go like that is not right.

Another thing that raises a red flag for me with this company is that all the youtube videos I watched on this process of how to makes these and all the websites I looked at with instructions on how to make these there is something that is not making sense to me. I don't know what gauge wire this surgical steel grade wire is that they send in the kits but everything I have seen or read states the wire whould be semi-hard and between 20 to 30 gauge at the most. Now to me this wire they are using does not fall within the guidelines that I have read for how to make these bracelets. So if indeed this Eric is blaming his supplies for the inability to make these for some then why has it not been changed? Surely they must have seen the information on the Internet about them. And frankly why do you need to use wire this strong to make them with?

I too have been searching the Internet trying to find out where these are being sold at IF at all but have not been able to come up with anything either.... I would love to hear someone say they pay and they are legit but gut feeling is that isn't going to happen.

Yes it was shocking to here they asked me not to work for them anymore and I am keeping an eye on this forum to see if anyone else is being told this or experiences anything resembling how they handled my first lot. I thought is was pretty naive of them to toss me like that. If anyone wants to see proof of this I'd be willing to send it to you. The website even says they would fix errors with reduced pay or send new wire for you to do the repairs I was given no such option.

voicetress 07-20-2011 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiberfolly (Post 2801412)
so did you read anything that was stated on this thread?? and you are still going to give it a try when it so clearly is a company that does not know what it is doing, whether their intention is to scam and they can't even get that right (not that I think they should), or they just are not using appropriate materials? So far people have gotten their money back, but that may not continue. I would think twice before giving this a try.

fiberfolly: There will always be the ones who think they are better at something. Strong hands have nothing to do with the proper production of these bracelets. Besides that what IF and I say a big IF you mess just one bracelet up and have no choice but to send it in and they too do not give you an option of reduced pay or fix yourself and just let you go. (Hope you didn't base this income on a new car)

fiberfolly 07-21-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wahmbamtymam (Post 2801069)
Just wondering if anyone has made any money off of this venture.

Read this thread from page 1 and you will have your answer :D

fiberfolly 07-21-2011 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb8079 (Post 2801459)
Thank you for your concern, I did read all the posts that were there before I ordered. I have very strong hands and that is why I decided to try it. Had only seen one slightly negative post before I ordered the 15th.

I hope it works out for you are that you can get a full refund. The whole trying to work from home idea seems soo frustrating these days.

tweetykiss 07-21-2011 09:06 PM

I haven't logged on these boards in ages but this thread caught my interest and I checked out the website. Voicestress, I am also bummed out that they fired you. That raises a red flag to me. I love jewelry making and need the money to earn at home. I have done wire working before but I am wondering if it is worth trying this out.


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