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~Crystal~
06-10-2007, 09:31 PM
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I am not sure how I feel about these things one way or another but I did find this interesting enough to pass on. Not trying to say anyone is wrong or right but it never hurts to be informed on both sides.smileys/smiley2.gif


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Popular detox diets promise to flush poisons from your body (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#), purge pounds of excess fat, clear your complexion and bolster your immune system (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/f150/ext.php?ref=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/#).
But experts say there's little evidence that extreme regimens such as the Master Cleanse or Fruit Flush do anything more than lead to unpleasant, unhealthy side effects (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#).




Still, these super-restrictive eating plans are hotter than ever, thanks to being linked to lanky celebrities including Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie. Beyonce Knowles attributed her 20-pound weight loss for the movie "Dreamgirls" to the Master Cleanse — a starvation diet (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#) whose adherents swallow nothing but a concoction of lemon juice mixed with maple syrup, water and cayenne pepper, as well as salt water and a laxative tea for 10 days.
The idea of detoxifying or purifying the body of harmful substances has been around for centuries and cycles back into popularity now and again. There are no hard numbers on how many people have tried the latest fashionable plans, much less stuck with them, but dozens of new do-it-yourself fasting books are glutting bookstore shelves.
That's what has nutrition experts sounding the alarm over possible risks from lengthy or repeated fasts. Vitamin deficiencies (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#), muscle breakdown and blood-sugar problems — not to mention frequent liquid bowel movements (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#) — are some of the seriously unpleasant drawbacks to these plans, which are skimpy on solid foods and often call for laxatives (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#).

“Long-term fasts lead to muscle breakdown and a shortage of many needed nutrients,” says Lona Sandon, a Dallas dietitian (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#) and spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. Depriving the body of the vitamins and minerals (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/f150/ext.php?ref=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/#) we get from food can "actually weaken the body’s ability to fight infections and inflammation,” she says.
Because the crash diets can upset blood sugar, potassium and sodium levels in the body, people with diabetes (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/f150/ext.php?ref=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/#), heart or kidney disease (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#) or women who are pregnant or nursing shouldn't try them, experts say. Children, teens (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#), older adults or people with certain digestive conditions should also steer clear.

The scores of detox diet books and kits out there each have their own take on how to cleanse the body — one calls for spices and fruit juices, another for only vegetable purees — but most of them boil down to extremely low-calorie, primarily liquid diets (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#).
The idea behind these plans, which can last anywhere from three days to about a month, is to rid the body of toxins absorbed from the environment and the less-than-healthy foods we eat. This cleansing is supposed to leave you feeling energized.

Some plans restrict all solid foods and instruct dieters to survive on only low-calorie (http://www.makeuptalk.com/forums/#) beverages for days at a time. The Joshi holistic diet involves an elaborate list of so-called acid-forming foods to avoid for three weeks, including seemingly healthy veggies and grains.
Many intestinal experts say we don't need an extreme diet to cleanse our insides.
“Your body does a perfectly good job of getting rid of toxins on its own,” says Dr. Nasir Moloo, a gastroenterologist with Capitol Gastroenterology Consultants Medical Group in Sacramento, Calif. “There’s no evidence that these types of diets are necessary or helpful.”
While there are medical conditions that interfere with organ function and prevent the body from clearing toxins, healthy people already have a built-in detoxification system — the liver, kidneys, lungs and skin, says Moloo.


veperez
06-10-2007, 09:48 PM
Thanks for posting this Crystal. I agree.



Although, I must admit that while reading Jay Robbs’ 3 Day Fruit Detox &amp; 14 day Fruit Diet, I was thinking to myself…
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“WOW, I can really meet my goal of 160 pounds in 14 days!!”smileys/smiley3.gif
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I thought &amp; contemplated on that for about 5 seconds &amp; then came back to reality. Sure, I could of lost 14-20 lbs in 14 days, but at what cost?


My energy? No.


My health? No.


My muscles? HECK NO!


Putting these quick fix notions aside, I still gave in to my curiosity in believing that I really needed to “detox” my body to get rid of all the “junk” that I had inside &amp; did the 3 Day Fruit Flush Detox (http://vphealthandfitness.com/2007/06/05/jay-robbs-3-day-fruit-flush-review/) . My experience was actually better than I expected. I WAS scared that I would lose too much weight, and really glad that I didn’t.


Most people would view a 2.5 pounds weight-loss &amp; couple of inches lost as a success, however, I just viewed it as an experiment.


I gained 5 lbs of scale weight the very next day when I started eating more than just fruit. I also felt HORRIBLE (forum_posts.asp?TID=388550) for 2 days after the detox. Bloating, water retention, headaches, &amp; lethargy. What the…smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley19.gif



I was suppose to be feeling BETTER not worse!


This was also my fault because I did not slowly ease back into my daily eating patterns &amp; jumped right out the next day and had a high calorie day (to prevent myself from going deeper into starvation mode &amp; making my muscles catabolic). I self diagnosed myself as having a possible wheat/gluten sensitivity so I cut this out for a couple of days &amp; have thankfully felt better.



Anyhow, this was just my personal experience. Don’t get me wrong, i’m not bashing Jay Robb or his fruit detox, I actually learned many practical things about fruit that I will start implementing in my daily life &amp; nutrition, but I feel that there needs to be a balance in everything. I just need to continue to make healthy BALANCED food choices, drinking lots and lots of water &amp; supplementing my body with a daily mulivitamin.


The fruit flush detox diet did not do anything postive for me besides learning more about fruit &amp; getting my daily recommened allowances of fruits in for 2 days, and letting me find out about my wheat intolerance. (THANK you FV Mom for pointing this out).



So… I’m taking the good &amp; getting rid of the bad of this experience. I don’t veiw this as a set back either. Just another new learning experience for me. Detox diets don't work - at least for me anyway! smileys/smiley36.gif



My official weekly weigh-in &amp; measurement (http://vphealthandfitness.com/2007/06/09/end-of-week-11-updated-measurements-stats/) was this past saturday - and i’m happy to say that despite my “weight loss &amp; weight gain” during the 3 day detox &amp; 2 days after, I ultimatley still went down in weight (.5 lbs), lost inches (2.25 inches), body fat (under 30%!!!) smileys/smiley32.gif, &amp; I gained 1 lb of muscle!


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~ Vilma
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FV Mom
06-11-2007, 04:59 AM
You know, I really don't know about that, all I know is that for every expert that says something doesn't work, there's another who says it does. When it comes down to it, results speak louder than theories. Vilma, regardless of your current opinion, the main benefit thatI saw from your fruit flush was the discovery of a possible wheat/gluten allegy (which surprisingly many people have but are un-aware of.) Of course when you're eating pure, organic, fresh healthy fruit and vegatables for two days, and go back to gluten containing, fattening grains the next day, the body will not be very happy. I digress. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, it just trips me out how so many people cite their THEORIES as fact, yet have the nerve to call themselves experts.http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif


FV Mom
06-11-2007, 05:01 AM
Here an expert speaks of the benefits of detox diets:

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/dietarytherapy/a/DetoxBasics.htm

Here's an excerpt:


<H3>Why do people go on a detox diet?</H3>Many experts believe that many of the fat-soluble chemicals we ingest daily through food, water, and the environment can become deposited in cells in our bodies. A poor diet can also impair our natural ability to detoxify chemicals, which further leads to their build-up in the body.

This cumulative load, called the "body burden", is thought to lead to illness and has been linked to hormonal imbalance, impaired immune function, nutritional deficiency, and an inefficient metabolism. Initially, there may be subtle warning signs, such as fatigue, poor skin, and pain.

Lab tests that assess urine, stools, blood, and liver function are available at certain private labs such as Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs. Note that doctors who are not familiar with detox may be reluctant to order these tests.
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<LI>To become more familiar with symptoms thought to be linked with toxicity, take the Detox Screening Quiz (http://altmedicine.about.com/od/detoxcleansing/l/bl_quiz_detox.htm)</LI>[/list]
<H3>Benefits of a detox diet</H3>In general, people often report improved energy, clearer skin, regular bowel movements, improved digestion, and increased concentration and clarity. Improvement can also be assessed by measuring markers of disease and laboratory tests.


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mommytotwo
06-11-2007, 05:41 AM
Personally, I stay away from those types of detox diets. Coming from a family whose mom was in health care, I just think it isn't a healthy way to lose weight or to try to "cleanse" out your system.





However, if other people want to try them, go for it. They just aren't for me and I will never do one of them. I know many people think they are a "natural" way to improve your body and your system, I disagree with that. I think they cause more harm than good, maybe not when you are doing them, but perhaps down the road. Like I said, to each their own though, they just aren't for me.

veperez
06-11-2007, 06:03 AM
You know, I really don't know about that, all I know is that for every expert that says something doesn't work, there's another who says it does. When it comes down to it, results speak louder than theories. Vilma, regardless of your current opinion, the main benefit thatI saw from your fruit flush was the discovery of a possible wheat/gluten allegy (which surprisingly many people have but are un-aware of.) Of course when you're eating pure, organic, fresh healthy fruit and vegatables for two days, and go back to gluten containing, fattening grains the next day, the body will not be very happy. I digress. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, it just trips me out how so many people cite their THEORIES as fact, yet have the nerve to call themselves experts.http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif

And... I agree with your point too. smileys/smiley29.gif smileys/smiley36.gif

The Fruit Flush worked for me in that it helped me to pin point my possible wheat intolerance, which is wonderful.smileys/smiley32.gif

However, the reason I said that it doesn't work (for me anyway smileys/smiley2.gif) is because I gained all the weight I lost in just a day. If someone where doing this for just the weightloss a lone, the plans would not meet their expectations.

As far as the article that you posted...

I agree that this is true. I became regular &amp; had improved energy.

On Susan Moores defense (the author of the 1st article), I personally do view her as an expert as she is a registered dietician. Kathy Wong is a certified nutrition specialist and with 10 years of experience under her bealt, I see her as an expert too.

So, who is right?


I don't know. smileys/smiley29.gif From past experience, I just say to each their own.

Don't want to argue, and don't want to fight.

FV Mom, I know you are having a great experience with this as well as results. Good for you!

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~ Vilma</font>





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FV Mom
06-11-2007, 06:27 AM
But if the weight regain was because of the food allegy, why blame the diet itself, ya know? That's all I was asking, wasn't trying to start no drama...you don't want no drama...no no drama.....you don't want no drama....

Black Eyed Peas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj9swNR5-lY)

Alanis Morisette Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g) smileys/smiley36.gif

I'm ashamed to admit I actually like these videos smileys/smiley36.gif I know I shouldn't, but I dosmileys/smiley36.gif

veperez
06-11-2007, 07:04 AM
But if the weight regain was because of the food allegy, why blame the diet itself, ya know? That's all I was asking, wasn't trying to start no drama...you don't want no drama...no no drama.....you don't want no drama....

Black Eyed Peas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj9swNR5-lY)

Alanis Morisette Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g) smileys/smiley36.gif

I'm ashamed to admit I actually like these videos smileys/smiley36.gif I know I shouldn't, but I dosmileys/smiley36.gif

FV Mom, shame on you... smileys/smiley2.gif smileys/smiley36.gif

You should know by now that any low calorie detox/plan is gonna help you lose weight. This detox is less than the recommended 1200 minimum calories that people should be consuming per day. I didn't blaim the detox on me not having success with it. I blamed myself for not easing back into my regular way of eating slowly. I also mentioned that I was not bashing his plan... smileys/smiley2.gif

Of course, as soon as I saw that scale jump up 5-7 pounds I knew that it was because I up'ed my calories &amp; the possible wheat allergy, typical daily water retention. In the end (http://vphealthandfitness.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/end-of-week-11-updated-measurements-stats/), it was all good because I didn't gain weight, still lost inches and body fat.

I've come to the realization that Detox plans just don't work for ME. I'm on a muscle buiding, fat loss journey &amp; unbalanced, low calorie plans don't coincide with my goals.

I will continue to apply alot of what I learned in Jay Robb's books, and of course, try and stay away from the wheat!!! smileys/smiley11.gif

Love ya girl!

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jnmurra
06-11-2007, 11:45 AM
IMO, the main idea of doing a cleanse has been lost. Cleanses were never designed for weight lost and really shouldn't be done for weight loss alone. So, yes, anyone who does it "just" for the weight loss benefit will be disappointed.
Aside from that - yes, IF someone is eating 100% clean all the time and are healthy, then there really isn't a need for them to do a cleanse because the body does cleanse itself IF it's working at optimal levels. Processed foods, prescription medications,poor drinking water, etc.-- all of it wreaks havoc on the body and can cause a whole host of problems. That's where cleansing is beneficial.

I certainly don't agree with all cleanses out there, especially those that don't involve food or involve eating a small amount of food. That can't be healthy for an extended period of time, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and discount the benefits of cleanses that are designed in a way that is healthy.

Just my .02

Yogi
06-11-2007, 12:50 PM
I think that saying all detoxing is unhealthyis like saying all exercise is unhealthy because a jogger was killed in a traffic accident. If yougo to someone like Beyonce (Master Cleanse) for your health advice, you deserve what you get.



Personally I think both water fasting and cleansing have a place in our lives when done properly. They give the body a chance to "clean up the corners" the same way having the kids go to camp lets you get the house extra clean for next year. And from my experience, any detoxingbreaks a habit/addiction pattern that naturally leads to better food choices going forward. After a couple of weeks on a proper cleanse, the thought of fried food is enough to turn most people's stomach.



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