posted March 16, 2001 05:49 PM
But I ask you both, Jewel and loeloe, wrong according to who???....now of course Jewel you will say God and to you personally, because you believe what the Bible tells you, and loeloe, you might say the same I don't know.....all I am trying to say is that the differnce between right and wrong is not a religious question, and when you "preach" to everyone about the reasons you feel it is wrong, it somehow doesn't make it seem as valid.
Furthermore, what is wrong for you personally, is not necessarily wrong for someone else. Take a hypothetical , perhaps working in this profession is allowing a single mother to attend school, and maybe one day she will become a doctor and discover a cure for cancer (far fetched but entirely possible). The good that could come of this discovery would completly negate the "wrong" of paying your way through school doing phone sex.
And perhaps the fact that there has always been a trade in sexual favours isn't the most valid arguement, but you do have to look carefully at the supply and demand question. If people were not seeking it, there would be no reason to supply it.
Finally, as for equating this issue with stealing, though I couldn't justify stealing a big screened tv, I could justify stealing a loaf of bread so that my children didn't starve, or stealing video tapes from a lab where they did unethical experiments on animals. Not everyone is going to jump up and decide to do phone sex becuase admittedly there are moral undertones to it, but people will have justifiable reasons for doing it, just as there are justifiable reasons for stealing on occasion.......
posted March 16, 2001 09:17 PM
OK, I am willing to look at this from a humanistic point of view. I was not raised in a Christian home. What I was taught is that people have the right to do whatever they want or need to do, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others or cause anyone else harm. Let's keep in mind that many serious sex offenders start out with soft porn. Perhaps the woman who is putting herself through school will eventually cure cancer. Let's look at the flip side of that coin, no more far-fetched. Perhaps it was a somewhat disturbed young man's call to her that got him hooked. Like many sex offenders, that "soft porn" led to more and more. Perhaps he commits a rape and murder. Does the cure for cancer negate that wrong? The end does not always justify the means. You said, "what is wrong for you personally, is not necessarily wrong for someone else." That applies to hairstyles, clothing...But if your husband decided to have an affair, would you not be hurt? Let's suppose he had been away for two weeks and was just really desiring sex and you weren't there, so he found a woman willing to fulfill his "need." Could you simply chalk it up to biological need - it was the right thing for him, therefore it was the right thing to do? Could you forget that he violated your trust? That "anything goes" attitude is why our society is falling apart. There is no moral standard. "If it feels good, do it, and don't even consider that it could hurt someone else," is the prevailing attitude.
Not totally related to this topic, but addressing the argument, "but I have to feed my children." I wrote checks to pay bills and balanced the check book. We had $6.15 left, a week until payday, and no meat in the freezer. Long story short, our neighbor's boss had gone hunting and gave our neighbor a large quantity of deermeat. Our neighbor just up and gave us about 10 -12 pounds. The timing was too perfect for coincidence. Point? I pray. God is faithful. No need to degrade myself by selling myself as a prostitute - physical or via telephone, internet..., no need to steal. A final thought: God loves everything and everyone that He creates. It is my prayer that you will see the truth, accept His gift of Grace, and choose to live according His will. Sorry - I guess I did not stick to the humanistic perspective very well. Sorry if I sound preachy, but I DON'T apologize for my faith. That would be short-changing Calvary.
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posted March 17, 2001 12:26 AM
Would you recommend this job to your daughter? It just seems logical that one shouldn't do something that needs forgiving or explaining.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: I really fell offended when I hear people say that "phone sex is no better than prostitution". Well lets not criticize and get the lord into this, till you've walked in my shoes. You will never understand why I do, what I do, till you've lived my life and you will never understand why a prostitute sells her body, till you lived hers. I am not saying that what I do or what a prostitute does or what you do is right, but who am I to criticize ones situation, I am not GOD and neither are you. I dont know about your Lord but my Lord is forgiving and understanding and only he knows why I do what I do.
I have been engrossed in reading the posts on this subject and was particularly intriqued by the statement that "if people were not seeking it, there would be no reason to supply it." The flip side of that, of course, is "people could/would not seek it if there were no one to supply it".
That first line of 'logic' applies aptly to the drug dealer who is simply filling a need. The same drug dealer who doesn't do drugs because it's "bad for business" but doesn't think twice (or once, for that matter) about selling it to your child, or your brother.... or anyone willing to meet his price.
But what about the price to mankind? To say that this is okay because it pays the bills and your CHILDREN don't hear you is short-sighted. What you DO affects your children whether you realize it or not. They aren't stupid. Do you lie to them? Are there secrets about what you are doing? What do you tell the other mothers at school or your friends or your family?
It is short-sighted and "narrow-minded" to think this doesn't directly and/or indirectly effect ALL of us. It affects you every time someone declares bankruptcy because he has put his entire family in hock over thousand dollar phone bills every month. It affects you every time another woman is left penniless and single with children. The list is endless....
Oral sex is at an all time high among children in school and out of it. Do you know what I read is their logic when they get caught? "President Clinton wasn't 'having sex' when he did it...."
And whatever happened to women taking care of each other? Being a friend to other women whether we KNOW each other or not? By saying "No" to the come on by the married man.... or by not having phone sex with him while he is holed up in the bathroom while his wife sleeps.
What about all women taking a stand against what the world thinks of us and believing that we have much more... far, far more to offer than giving "good phone".
posted March 18, 2001 07:38 PM
Yes, your logic is tragically apt. Women and children are hurt by bankruptcy and families breaking up. Sex workers degrade us all. There's got to be another way to pay the bills.
posted March 19, 2001 08:58 PM
Phone sex is not just sex. And we all know my view on it. We all know Jewel's view on it. I know the view of the women that email me looking at the opportunity to see if its right for their household.
I did grow up in a Christian household. I was taught right from wrong. I was taught how to seek god and how god effects me and my life. No my daughter is far from stupid she isnt even two so I have ne need to talk to her about what I do. Because I still have no need to tell her about santa claus or how her new brother or sister came into be other then tell her that the new sibbling is to be truely a gift from god.
I write erotic stories written with a womans touch for women to explore their sexuality. Not to increase the amount of porn in the world. Alot of women are ashamed of themselves and their bodies. I am not. It took along time for me to over come my rape as a young teenager and learn that it wasnt my fault. It didn't mean that my boyfriend was porn obsessed. He just took advatage of me when I was at my weakest. God will punish him far more then I could wish upon him.
My god does not judge me because he is my creator. He loves me like I am his only child just like he loves my sisters and brothers. He loves Jewel and her interpretation of his love and his devotion and he loves me even though I may not be of the same frame of mind.
I do not promote porn. I do not ask guys to call me and I refuse to talk to children. I do not degrade myself as a woman and I am proud of who I am. I am proud that I can speak my mind. For that I hope to pass to my daughter to not hide behind anyone to be proud of who she is and let no one take that from her. I want the best for her like any mother here would. I would not recommend her to take a job where she is unhappy or work for anyone who takes from who she is.
I am just like you. You just don't want to see that. I don't blame you for having your opinions. Just don't expect me to follow you like I am in your flock. I do not hide behind my skirt. Nor my bible.
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posted March 19, 2001 11:31 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by webmom76:
My god does not judge me because he is my creator. He loves me like I am his only child just like he loves my sisters and brothers. He loves Jewel and her interpretation of his love and his devotion and he loves me even though I may not be of the same frame of mind.
I do not hide behind my skirt. Nor my bible.
Dear webmom76, If you are speaking of the God whose Word is the Bible, the one true God, can you please give me the scripture reference that says He does not judge people? My Bible clearly says that He does. You are absolutely right that He loves every single person He has created, just as a mother loves her children. But as a mother, don't you set rules for your two year old? You love her, but do you not "judge" her behavior as appropriate or inappropriate? God loves you, but He does indeed judge your behaviors as sinful or not sinful. (Mine, too! And He knows as well as I do that I am a work in progress, and definitely far from perfect.)
Hiding behind the Bible, huh? Is that what you think I'm doing? Quite the contrary. I have nothing to hide from - the Bible is truth. Perhaps, though, there are some out there who are hiding FROM the Bible because they know it is the truth, yet they do not wish to accept it.
My opinion is that we as women should not degrade ourselves this way for money. I realize that there are bills that have to be paid. It is the government that tells us and reinforces to us that our children are better off in daycare..not that there is anything wrong with daycares, some are excellent and I use them at times. However, we must realize that when we hear about how it is socially better and educationally advantageous for the children to be in public school, daycare and those children whose mothers work are "further ahead" in society. What a lie we hear on the media. They conduct studies that are done in such a way to make the results what the governemnt wants to say. In reality, the more women that are in the workforce the more taxes are given to the government....at the expense of our children sometimes. Women need to know that by doing the right thing, God will bless us. Do something positive instead of phone sex. Something you are proud of. I think it is an insult to us women that we fall into the trap that this government has set up for us. Taxes, taxes, taxes is all they care about. Hopefully, more of us will wise up and know that we can prosper as positive citizens that does not require us to believe "quality time is more important than quantity time." How many of us women are so refreshed and anew after a days worth of work for our kids? Is that quality time? I believe that where you plant the seed of positivity and goodness, it will grow.
What is really positive about phone sex other than to pay the bills?
My opinion is that we as women should not degrade ourselves this way for money. I realize that there are bills that have to be paid. It is the government that tells us and reinforces to us that our children are better off in daycare..not that there is anything wrong with daycares, some are excellent and I use them at times. However, we must realize that when we hear about how it is socially better and educationally advantageous for the children to be in public school, daycare and those children whose mothers work are "further ahead" in society. What a lie we hear on the media. They conduct studies that are done in such a way to make the results what the governemnt wants to say. In reality, the more women that are in the workforce the more taxes are given to the government....at the expense of our children sometimes. Women need to know that by doing the right thing, God will bless us. Do something positive instead of phone sex. Something you are proud of. I think it is an insult to us women that we fall into the trap that this government has set up for us. Taxes, taxes, taxes is all they care about. Hopefully, more of us will wise up and know that we can prosper as positive citizens that does not require us to believe "quality time is more important than quantity time." How many of us women are so refreshed and anew after a days worth of work for our kids? Is that quality time? I believe that where you plant the seed of positivity and goodness, it will grow.
What is really positive about phone sex other than to pay the bills?
posted March 21, 2001 01:06 PM
What is positive about phone sex other than paying the bills. Well from reading web mom's reponse she uses it to control men. From what she said she was abused and over the phone she has the control. Kinda evil there but, I can understand how that kind of control helps you let go. Some women do it to pay the bills. Some to be able to stay at home with their kids. Some do it to pay for college and have time to study. These women don't degrade all women. Just because you wouldnt or you think its wrong doesnt make it wrong.
Webmom I hope your not going through your bible confirming your feelings of right in wrong. DO whats in your heart! Don't take any lip from Jewel. If she doesnt think your hiding behind your bible I do. All the other women who do this job do it for there own reasons. They don't just wake up and decide oh phone sex thats a great job for me!.
THese MLM's and scams for work at home ruin the spirit for finding something meaningful at home. I have been in the business for almost 3 years now and I like the other girls dont talk to kids and I don't promote guys to leave the wife. I didnt ask them to call. The industry is not going away. The moral fiber of our society has to change for there to be no work for us.
Webmom keep your head up and I hope that everything is going well for you!
posted March 21, 2001 03:02 PM
"THese MLM's and scams for work at home ruin the spirit for finding something meaningful at home. I have been in the business for almost 3 years now and I like the other girls dont talk to kids and I don't promote guys to leave the wife. I didnt ask them to call. The industry is not going away. The moral fiber of our society has to change for there to be no work for us."
Everybody knows my point of view on the subject of phone sex, so I won't get into it again, except to say this: I agree that for the sex industry to go away, the moral fiber of our society has to change. Definitely. In the meantime, I certainly would not want to be known as someone who contributes to the moral decline. I do feel the need to comment that not all MLM businesses are scams. Some scams claim to be MLM. I work for a perfectly legitimate MLM - I have started my own business as an independent consultant with Discovery Toys. There are many others out there, as well. Just do a little checking. If the only product is software or a license to copy software, know it is a scam. If there are real products, and you only make money when a legal product is sold,...you could very well be dealing with a legitimate company. Understand, though, that starting your own business requires WORK before you see any profit. It may take some time. If you need money NOW, you may not want to consider it. If you're looking for a little extra, or you plan to leave your full-time in the future, or perhaps you need a way to send your kids to private school, it is definitely something to consider. Love and prayers to all, Jewel
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posted March 21, 2001 09:19 PM
I said MLM's and scams! MLM's try to get you to talk your family and friends into what your doing. Scams just take your money. MLM's are spirit draining. I wouldn't know unless I have been there I speak from experience. I can handle working in a field you don't think is morally correct and unlike webmom I don't care if you agree or not.
You don't walk in my shoes. You don't think like I do and it makes us both better off! that you don't.
posted March 21, 2001 11:03 PM
Ok, many people are confused by all they hear about MLMs. Just making the point that they're not all bad. I'm sorry that you apparently had a bad (or maybe more than one) experience with MLM, but not everybody has. My experience with it has been great. I have a wonderful line of products that I am pleased to share with friends, family, and, now that my business is branching out, people whom I never met before. No, I don't walk in your shoes, and, frankly, I'm very happy in mine.
posted March 22, 2001 10:00 AM
Well now that your happy in your own shoes can you try not to push them on others.
I could understand if I was trying to talk you into doing what I do. But, Im not. Phone ACTING is not for everyone. I will be the first to admit there are companies out there that don't pay you. I am fortunate to work for one who does. I have had many experiences with MLM's and I personally think they are unpredictable. I needed something that I could work at that I would have security in the knowledge of what I was getting paid and when I would get it. That is just me though.
I don't encourage women to start doing phone unless they feel they should. Its an option and as long as your not dating your clients its pretty safe. I personally get a good laugh almost everyday I work. I'm having a good time of it and I am sorry any of you think that I "degrade all women". Truth is I am acting. The guys know I am acting and why they like talking to me I will never know. I can honestly say that I hope that not to be the girl on the other end of the phone to one of your spouses.
My mom taught me something about men a long time ago that I will always carry with me. For me not to blame what he did or whom he did it with that at the heart of it all the problem lies in him. There will always be temptation and it is in him if he acts on his desires.
posted March 22, 2001 03:32 PM
So....it's all the man's fault, none of the problems with phone sex are the fault of the "Actress" which is a term used here that I find VERY ridiculous ...that is simply putting verbal spin on the definition of PROSTITUTE. Look both words up in the dictionary...Actress' they are not, Prostitute...well read for yourself!
quote:Originally posted by dontbescammed: So....it's all the man's fault, none of the problems with phone sex are the fault of the "Actress" which is a term used here that I find VERY ridiculous ...that is simply putting verbal spin on the definition of PROSTITUTE. Look both words up in the dictionary...Actress' they are not, Prostitute...well read for yourself!
Exactly how am I a prositute? I dont have sex for money! I am not selling my body. VERY ridiculous yes I think that your opinion is. I am acting like a slut or I act like I am a prude I dont act like I sell my body on the street. I act! I am not wearing those next to nothing outfits on the street corner. I am not having sex with every guy who comes along. I act like a I have a healthy sexual desires and no its not only men who are at fault the women who call are also at fault. I don't tell anyone to call me! They do- I get paid for it. I get paid for talking to people on the phone. Who I act and pretend to be isnt even close to me. Even though I am acting I am still not a hooker!
I havent injured you in anyway. If a husband was to call the service and do a call with an "Actress". I would rather the wife know so they can have an heart to heart talk about what that man was lacking in himself that he needed to call someone instead of talk to his wife.
posted March 22, 2001 05:07 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Actress111: [B]Well now that your happy in your own shoes can you try not to push them on others.
1) I am required as a believer to "Go and make disciples of all nations." That means telling people about God, His love, and His expectations. If you look back through all of my posts on this topic, you will find that I have done all three. I can't make you agree with me, and I can't make you a believer, only God can do that. 2) Regardless of whether you accept Jesus as your personal savior, God loves you. 3) Sex outside of marriage is immoral, and adultery is Biblical grounds for divorce. 4) I would venture to say that even athiests would agree that it is wrong to hurt others. 5) This forum asks for an opinion, which I have expressed, along with my reasons, just the same as you and everybody else. I can't force anyone to accept the truth, but I would be remiss if I did not try. Prayers and Love in Christ, Jewel
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posted March 24, 2001 09:38 PM
"I havent injured you in anyway. If a husband was to call the service and do a call with an "Actress". I would rather the wife know so they can have an heart to heart talk about what that man was lacking in himself that he needed to call someone instead of talk to his wife."
.....You may not have injured me personally, but what about the wife or girlfriend of the man on the other end...how do you feel about injuring them, or their children? You say you would rather a woman know her husband was calling an "actress"...does that mean you call her and tell her so she can have a "heart to heart" with her husband? Do you not think maybe some of the most evil sexual acts commited on women and children start out with a man calling an "actress" and then there is a need to take their perversion to the next level because "acting" just doesn't quench their desire anymore...and you say you haven't harmed anyone..PLEASE!!!
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posted March 24, 2001 11:52 PM
I don't often read or reply to this particular topic, however, I would like to say that while there may be those of you who feel a distinct difference between your "acting" job and prostitution, there is virtually no difference between your job and drug dealing. Except that somehow, your job is legal. There is a very real issue that many men (and some women) have an addiction to sex. A sex addict is, phsycologically, just like a drug addict. When they can no longer get their fix from their first few highs, they move on to harder stuff. Sadly, you are the first few highs. The guys calling you are not exhibiting normal sexual behavior. There may be a few that are lonely and just want to talk to someone. But when you have to "act" out sex over the phone, you are dealing with an addict. A loser in the making. And when the high is no longer enough, when phone sex just isn't naughty enough for them, they will seek their sexual thrill elsewhere. And since we've already established they don't exhibit normal sexual behavior, whose to say they won't turn to a "live" prostitute, then when paying for the "high" becomes too expensive, they'll start "stealing" it (rape) Not all that different from your cocaine addict stealing for drug money is it? I just can't imagine, all religious and moral issues aside, why you'd think it's funny, entertaining, amusing or indifferent to talk to these loser guys. Why the heck don't you feel sorry them?! And don't say you do, if this is your job you are an enabler. I don't intend to judge anyone for what they do, but take my word for it, you can't sell me any sadder of a story than I've ever seen before to explain "why you do what you do" It's all in what your makeup is that determines if you can go further or settle for less. Not in your circumstances. And for those of you who have no faith, you haven't discovered your makeup yet. I don't "preach" but I will say that those of you who question whose God is whose and claim to understand His judgement or lack of it, should really remember that though He is a loving God, He is also to be feared. Some of you might want to remember that before spouting off at Jewel and some of the others who do not "hide" behind their bibles but rather have the guts to live by them. That takes faith. You may say faith won't pay the bills, but for those who truly believe and have faith, God provides and I've seen it first hand. Most people are afraid to trust like that so they'll never know. Maybe those of you in this job didn't wake up one day and say hey here's the job for me, but I hope one day you wake up. It's a joke and you guys are letting yourselves be part of it.
posted March 25, 2001 02:23 PM
Very well said, beamjl!
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posted March 26, 2001 04:20 PM
Yes some jobs should not be done at home. Like prostitution... Escorts But phone sex is not illegal and you are not in any physical danger
Okay HELLO I know that in my life time.... All of 24 years I have not always practiced but I have ALWAYS respected GOD. I am not married to GOD. I did not become a nun. I am a healty happy woman who sells her soul to NO ONE.
I do work for a phone sex line. This morning I was on A call that was talking for 55 min he was just lonely he wanted to talk about football and the internet. He could have been jerking off listening to me talk about teaching myself how to design websites. He could have gotten off hearing about html coding or Dhtml. Not all of these men talk about sex. Sex is not unhealthy. It is something that I gladly experience with only my husband! If I have a guy who talks about it thats fine with me.
I am able to go to church on Sunday and hold my head up. DH makes enough to support our family, I still like the idea that I will be making sure that my daughter is able to have EVERYTHING that she needs and then some. She has alot of talents that are god given and not a day goes by that I am not grateful for every hair on her head.
I started doing this to make sure my cousin went along with me and made enough money to put groceries in her house. She was ashamed that I was buying them online and sending them to her. She felt bad that I paid her electric bill.
It scared me to be an at home mom. It scared me to work the phones. What scares me more is that pride can make a family go hungry.
GOD will take care of you. GOD will make sure that you have what you need and if he only shows you the window you need open it.
quote:Originally posted by Jewel: GOD will take care of you. GOD will make sure that you have what you need and if he only shows you the window you need open it.
Do you really think that God has provided, or even condones, phone sex jobs and all of the negative things associated with the line of "work" that others have brought up on this forum? I am not God and don't know His plans for everyone, but if I understand my Bible correctly, I think He would not approve of this source of income. Many of you have said, "It's legal." Does that make it ethical? Smoking is legal, too, but it does not make it good for you. The ability to do something does not always justify doing it.
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posted March 27, 2001 06:59 PM
For those of you who do phone acting, do you read a script? What can you do as oppossed to what you cannot do? Maybe some of the confusion about 'prositution' comes from ignorance about your job. Could you tell us what it is like and let those who are not sure make up their own minds.
posted March 28, 2001 08:24 AM
Boy is this a hot topic!!! I just read a few of the MANY posts on this. When I read the topic I laughed a bit. I don't disagree with phone acting from a christian standpoint(although it may hold some moral implications), I disagree with it logically. If no children were involved and a persons partner had no problem with it, I frankly don't see anything wrong with it. However, with a child(hopefully not present) I get kind of a queazy feeling. How would you attempt to explain what was going on to them? I'll give an example: I saw an ad in the local paper where mothers could be paid and bring their children with them as they drove sick people to Dr's appointments. Of course I didn't respond because logic tells you that if you have your child around sick people all the time the child's chances of getting sick are pretty good. I guess my logic says that if you have a child around when you are "phone acting" at some point they will pick up on it and will be affected negatively by either a loss of part of their innocence or by the line about sex and how to deal with those issues being blurred, and what if they decided to repeat some of the things they heard mommy/daddy say when their at school, grandma's, to some stranger at the park?
posted March 28, 2001 11:53 AM
No..... no script you say what ever comes to mind or listen to what they want to talk about. I write some erotic stories for some of the womens publications so sometimes I read what I write. Some of these guys just want to talk to someone who is going to be nice to them. Some of these guys have had such a bad day and he has been yelled at by everyone else that someone nice is a change for them. Puts them in better spirits.
Some corporate execs have had control of everything all day long and they want someone else to control them. (This is dominatrix) _I cant do those calls_ They want someone else to take the burden of the control that stresses them day in and day out. Some of these men are to embarassed to tell the family that they have weird fantasies. I dont and wont talk about anything that I consider wrong or the FTC requires we dont talk about.
I have just arrived in Sydney, and am from the UK. I worked in the telephone sex industry in the UK and made good money - I am interested in getting into it here but do not know how. The one complication is I would not be able to work from home as my boyfriend would kill me, in the UK I was able to go to an office and use their phone, does a similar service exist in Sydney, I would be really grateful for any advice.
quote:Originally posted by margo29: I do not see anything wrong with phone sex. You are on the phone talking to someone, you are not having sex with the caller, and your children does not have to know what you are doing. I have been trying to find something like that to make extra money also. I am a single mother of one and it would be nice to do something like this at night while my son is asleep. The best thing about phone sex is, you will never have to meet that person.
posted March 31, 2001 03:27 PM
Wow, what a topic! just wanted to throw my two cents in here..
It seems the religious aspect of this is irrelevant. Faith is Faith, a belief. A strong belief, but not fact. It's of course fact to you, and very important to you, no matter what your faith, but its not everyone's fact. Faith is also a very deep and personal thing to bring into any conversation, declaring your interpretation of the bible as correct, is inadvertently declearing others false. I find it insulting when people throw these "facts" into any equation that doesn't take place in your own church.
I personally, took three phone calls with a phsycic company.. it wasn't for me. I had a hard time with lying, and I don't call it acting with this particular employment, because the people who called believed me. I gave out wonderful news, "things will get better", "reach out to loved ones".. and answered a couple common sense questions such as "will I ever graduate college".. my reply "keep studying, pay attention in class, stay focused, and yes".. But I'm not physcic (cant even spell it lol), and these people thought I was, so it made me feel bad. My last caller was a drunken, creepy man, and I logged off and never returned. Wasn't the job for me. I couldn't do it. BUT, a friend of mine does it daily, gives out common sense advice, tells people to stay true to themselves, and they'll be okay. These people hang up thanking her, and telling her how much better they feel. Is that immoral? Sure, it cost the person $2.99 a minute to be fooled, but the person would have gone somewhere for comfort, whether it be food, drugs, alcahol, a close friend.. at 2:30 in the morning, when someone is that upset, they'll do just about anything to ease their worries.
I don't see phone sex too far off from this. The difference being, men usually do know the woman on the other end isn't doing what he's paying her to do. He's HOPING, but they usually know its not real. Now, I couldn't do what these women do.. I'd get creeped out, like the drunken man who called for advice, but It's not my place to judge. It's legal, the women seem like sensible people who do have morals, and the men always aren't on their way to sociopathical sexual tendencies. If this were true, studies would be done, and the lines would have been shut down long ago. I think the arguement of these lines contributing to rape, is as valid as the one that pornography is the root of all evil.
I view myself as a very moral person, and I feel its not my job to police the morality of others. Child Pornography is illegal, if I were to run across that, I'd report it in a heartbeat, and want that person nailed for what they did.. but there are no victims, when the ppl involved are consenting adults. What percentage of movies have steamy love scenes? Should Julia Roberts and Demi Moore be told that they're prostitutes? It's just my opinion, but no.
posted March 31, 2001 03:28 PM
Wow, what a topic! just wanted to throw my two cents in here..
It seems the religious aspect of this is irrelevant. Faith is Faith, a belief. A strong belief, but not fact. It's of course fact to you, and very important to you, no matter what your faith, but its not everyone's fact. Faith is also a very deep and personal thing to bring into any conversation, declaring your interpretation of the bible as correct, is inadvertently declearing others false. I find it insulting when people throw these "facts" into any equation that doesn't take place in your own church.
I personally, took three phone calls with a phsycic company.. it wasn't for me. I had a hard time with lying, and I don't call it acting with this particular employment, because the people who called believed me. I gave out wonderful news, "things will get better", "reach out to loved ones".. and answered a couple common sense questions such as "will I ever graduate college".. my reply "keep studying, pay attention in class, stay focused, and yes".. But I'm not physcic (cant even spell it lol), and these people thought I was, so it made me feel bad. My last caller was a drunken, creepy man, and I logged off and never returned. Wasn't the job for me. I couldn't do it. BUT, a friend of mine does it daily, gives out common sense advice, tells people to stay true to themselves, and they'll be okay. These people hang up thanking her, and telling her how much better they feel. Is that immoral? Sure, it cost the person $2.99 a minute to be fooled, but the person would have gone somewhere for comfort, whether it be food, drugs, alcahol, a close friend.. at 2:30 in the morning, when someone is that upset, they'll do just about anything to ease their worries.
I don't see phone sex too far off from this. The difference being, men usually do know the woman on the other end isn't doing what he's paying her to do. He's HOPING, but they usually know its not real. Now, I couldn't do what these women do.. I'd get creeped out, like the drunken man who called for advice, but It's not my place to judge. It's legal, the women seem like sensible people who do have morals, and the men always aren't on their way to sociopathical sexual tendencies. If this were true, studies would be done, and the lines would have been shut down long ago. I think the arguement of these lines contributing to rape, is as valid as the one that pornography is the root of all evil.
I view myself as a very moral person, and I feel its not my job to police the morality of others. Child Pornography is illegal, if I were to run across that, I'd report it in a heartbeat, and want that person nailed for what they did.. but there are no victims, when the ppl involved are consenting adults. What percentage of movies have steamy love scenes? Should Julia Roberts and Demi Moore be told that they're prostitutes? It's just my opinion, but no.
posted April 12, 2001 12:39 AM
Hello, I'm new here, but I thought I should say, this isn't really a topic about religions. I know phone sex and prostitution are frowned upon by society, but there are certain situations where I think it has merit. I would do phone sex to earn money, but my significant other and I have discussed this, and he doesn't really want me to go so far to earn money.
I have hit a very low point in my life, over the last three years. If I was on my own, I probably would have turned to prostitution or suicide, but my boyfriend keeps me strong. I don't really think God comes into play, because I don't really believe there is a God anymore. After the last three years of Hell I've been through, prostitution and phone sex seem very mild in comparison. And, before anyone says I'm sinner, and I should be damned or whatever, walk a mmile in my shoes... then you can tell me how far down you'd go to make ends meet. Its been one long downhill rollercoaster ride.
quote:Originally posted by JennLA_austin: I don't really believe there is a God anymore. After the last three years of Hell I've been through, prostitution and phone sex seem very mild in comparison. And, before anyone says I'm sinner, and I should be damned or whatever.
It sounds to me like you have had a really tough road. I can't speak for anyone else, but it is not my place to tell anyone they're damned. From my perspective, only God can do that, and God I am not, though my faith in Him is strong. I am saddened when I hear that someone does not believe in God, not to mention Jesus, for the Bible tells us in John 3:16 that "God so loved the world He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." That means God loves YOU! As a system of morals, ethics, values, religion does come into this discussion. Humanism, atheism, even Satanism are all religions, and many express views based on these systems, even if those religions are not directly mentioned. Christian values have as much place here as any others. The truth is, I felt the same way about many issues before I became a Christian as I feel now, but now I have a higher power than myself to back up my opinion, in addition to the peace and joy I have through my faith in God.
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posted April 24, 2001 03:07 PM
whew!! it would appear the discussion has indeed become one of saints and sinners. :-)
Well, here is an answer from a sinner:
I think you are cheating on your husband whether he is ok with it or not. Sex isn't only a physical experience. A phone sex actress is engaging the caller in a sexual experience. What would be the difference if you are at a bar and engage a man or woman in such matters? (aside from the physical location?) At best it is flirting...at worst, it is formal cooperation with the man's or woman's perverse sexual behaviour.
I'll bet y'all can guess what I am going to say as far as does it hurt anyone. Yup. I think it does. Aside from the children hearing, which is the main concern of many moms, the phone actress is fanning the flames of desire in the caller and discouraging them from finding real help for their problems. Even if they are calling just to talk, the phone actress is not a trained professional. They should be calling a social worker or a friend. The companies who employ and provide phone actresses and services are enslaving the people who call and the phone actresses themselves. Very much like the prostitutes. How far has the women's lib movement come??? It is indeed sad when women have to turn to this type of job to provide for their families. Too bad women's lib concentrated most of their efforts on the sexual revolution and contraception instead of targetting women's worth as more than a sexually free being.
I guess all this to say that phone acting is not a great job for a wahm to do...not a great job for anyone to do. There are really a lot of other phone jobs a person could do.
As an aside, God is Judge, but He will not be outdone in Mercy. He knows our strengths and weaknesses. He expects from us what we are capable of giving Him. Some of us will be held less responsible for our actions and some of us will be more responsible. A word of caution though...if we refuse to give Him what is due, than we can only expect the same from Him.
In Christ,
Simone Killian
PS. these are all my humble opinions of course. I don't think all the women's lib movement did was free women sexually.
[This message has been edited by psalm51 (edited April 24, 2001).]
posted April 24, 2001 04:00 PM
Wow, what a hot topic! (no pun intended.) There are so many ways I could lok at this. Of course, my first reaction to this was, Well, it is income. To be honest, if I thought I would be good at it, I would do it. Naturally, I would work after my son's gone to sleep and I am in a different part of the house. Especially if that was the only way I could pay the bills for the time being. I am a single parent of a 19 month old son, so I know how difficult it is to find reliable babysitters and the agony you feel when you are not at home with your baby. However, the real heat comes into play if this job was performed by a married person. Since I am not married, I can not really imagine the scenario. I think it really depends on the type of marriage. If you happened to be married to an adventurous person, then maybe, just maybe, you phone sex job could turn out to be the fire that will keep the bedroom smoking! But then, on the other hand, to talk about sex with someone who is not your spouse is not respecting your marriage. Nor is it good in the eyes of the Lord. Going against the will of God is sin, going outside of your marriage is sin. Be it verbal or physical, talking (thinking) about it is just as bad as doing it. [Did I just go off on a rant here? I didn't mean to.] I guess I said all that to say this: in my situation, I would if I had the talent. I hear there's good money in it and it would definitely not be a permanent job!
posted May 04, 2001 01:23 PM
It's painful and very upsetting when you can barely provide for your children. You go without food just so they can eat, and cry when they are asleep because it hurts so much to not be able to give them what they deserve.
I know as a mother in that type of situation that you will do whatever you need to in order to make things better, period. I see nothing wrong with a legitmate job of "acting" on the phone. After all, how many movies do you see with actors and actress's that are "acting" out sex? I suppose that is prostitution as well.
God isn't paying her bills. God isn't putting food on her table. God isn't babysitting for her so she can work 2/3 jobs to support her family. God isn't providing her with an education so she may further herself and get out of the slump she is in.
God doesn't exist in my world - I'm my God. I am the one that controls my destiny, not some character in a fairy tale written thousands of years ago. I have no one else to thank but myself for what I have been able to do with my life. I went from being in that situation to living quite comfortably now with no-ones help but my own.
I as well as you am entitled to my own opinion, if you don't like it - so what. Put the credit where the credit is due, not with God, but with her. She's the one trying her best to do what she can for her children, not God.
I am sad for you. It is impossible for me to fathom the depth of emptiness I would have in my soul without God. As for sex in movies, TV etc., it is wrong also. I watch very little television for that reason. Junk food for the brain - a little bit does little harm, but too much leaves no room for the wholesome stuff.
posted May 05, 2001 12:05 PM
Been There I too feel for you I know what it is like to feel like there cant be agod and go through what I am going through. It is not god who does for us. We are blessed with the opportunities to do for ourselves. My husband recently was laid off. His salary requirements are quite high to support his wife and his baby girl and one on the way. We recently bought our first home and have moved to an area where I have no family. Phone sex is just a job and I agree with you there. It has its moral repercusions though. Even when you exclude god from it. Being four months preg and not working I usually would be in a major panic but I know that with gods help and a lot of hard work. My hubby will find the right job that will pay him what we need to take care of us. Life closes doors, Believe in your heart and GOD will show you a window.
posted May 07, 2001 05:10 PM
Phone sex is not a job that any person should do. Especially if you have children and are trying to to be a role model of what a decent woman should be. Money IS NOT everything. Children can and will overhear when you are not aware. It is disrespectful to your husband and your self.
Also the phone sex industry destroys family, considering the person who is calling he or she is not a very safe rational person. With technology the way it is today, don't think that they can't trace your call.
Also, ponder this question would you want your daughter being a phone sex operator when she is older or better yet would you want her or your son calling that line when they get older? I believe it would be a unanimous NO!
Suppose your neighbor calls the number and recognizes your voice. I don't think this industry should even exist and definetly not for a MOM.
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posted March 16, 2001 05:49 PM
He's HOPING, but they usually know its not real. Now, I couldn't do what these women do.. I'd get creeped out, like the drunken man who called for advice, but It's not my place to judge. It's legal, the women seem like sensible people who do have morals, and the men always aren't on their way to sociopathical sexual tendencies. If this were true, studies would be done, and the lines would have been shut down long ago. I think the arguement of these lines contributing to rape, is as valid as the one that pornography is the root of all evil. 