posted October 02, 2000 12:32 PM
Whew...... Okay everyone. I still dont believe that phone sex is adultry. I think its a job. I am a christian and Jewel I wouldnt be surprized if I sit next to you praising god in church. I love my husband and my family and my work is not to pleasure myself or my thoughts of sex. It does give my husband and I a good laugh on some evenings. There was a man who called me last night Jewel and he was lonely and depressed and it wasnt talking about sex we talked about how much he had to offer to the world. To use what god gave him. I talked to him for two hours and he was the only call I took. I like taking these calls because there are many people out there that are crying for human companionship. I would very much prefer a man calling me than for him to pick up a hooker.
My husband and I had a long talk about me doing this before I tried it. Morally I know that I have the wisdom (god given) to do anything I want in the world. When I work I keep up with house work and write. I also design websites and knit. My heart or my mind is not into doing phone. My heart is into the saving of man kind. I know that sounds backwards but, I guess I am intitled to my opinion.
I know that every woman has the right to chose to do what ever they want. I know that for alot of women they cant do this kind of job and I understand that. I wouldnt push this job on any stay at home mom it is a paying option. God knows when we are pure at heart and have the right intentions no matter what we decide to do.
posted October 02, 2000 12:56 PM
Uninhibited, if possible, could you email me([email protected])? I have a couple of questions for you. Thanks!
Blessings, Nita
quote:Originally posted by Uninhibited: As an owner of 8 adult web sites and mother of 2 and married! I will answer this as my side. As long as these children are in school or tucked away in their bed their is no reason that these mothers should not do it.. That is if that is their interest. This is not for everyone however I will say that I currently have single mothers and some that are just single women that work full time doing this type of work and they love it. Work their own hours don't have to worry about paying for child care the list goes on and on. To top of it off some of my top ladies are bringing in 800-1000 minutes a work at 1.10 per minute at 800 minutes they get a 80.00 bonus and 1000 they get a 100.00 bonus now you see that is not bad for a single mother or a single lady. NOT ON welfare!! Did not cost them a dime to start!! NO enrollment package or anything like that. No loss if they don't like it none at all!!!
posted October 04, 2000 09:38 AM
Uninhibited: Great info, Is that 800-1000 minutes per week? I have been doing this professionally for a bit more than a month and am not making that kind of money , If you are seeking additional people please Email me. I have a great voice, enthusiasm and lots of time to talk. [email protected]
To all others who care to know: Questions, Answers to questions, a possibility of some valid observations and a thank you... Let me start right off by thanking our hostess, I have enjoyed reading everyones opinion and mine follows. I have taken time to think about this and thought I would share.
>>>>>>>>>>Questions: 1. I wish to know what year those who condemn what I do will be able to pay cash for a new car.
2. Can you think of a better way to find out what is going on in the minds of the opposite sex?
>>>>>>>>>Answers to questions: 1. As to this interfering in my marriage, I discussed it with my husband (who taught me everything I know about phone sex) before I did it and he like you understands the economic advantages. (oh, they meant the people I talk with!!)
2. Kill my sex life??? NO, let me say that again, NOOO, I am ready, willing and waiting for my one true love. The only thing that I am killing is time.
3. I have not had sex in 2 years, My chaste state is self imposed in the interest of fidelity, see answer #1 above re: husband. Also, most of the people I talk to are also without sex, whether by their own choice or someone elses. And just think of how many ideas I will have when the time is.
4. As I told my 26 year old daughter, "Most men cannot tell if a woman is faking an orgasm when they are in the room. How are they going to tell on the phone?" My children do know what I do, why should I be ashamed of what I do. I talk on the phone about adult subject matter.
>>>>>The possibility of some valid observations: 1. I understand that most people cannot talk about sex, Especially women? After all, "nice girls" not only do not do it, they do not talk about it either. While some people cannot talk about sex, I can and DO.
2. It is therapeutic, not only for the client: It makes me think about things that probably would not have come to my mind otherwise.
3. It will fund not only my household, my small business(Which requires both time and money.) and a charitable project, in the not too distant future.
4. My sincerest sympathy to those with minds so tightly closed.
5. Sometimes people tell me things they cannot tell people they love for fear of being rejected.
6. I pose no threat to a partner. I have a life, just a temporary sex shortage.
7. I discourage people from doing things which would be non-consentual/illegal.
8. I am reminded of the Jerry Springer commercial with the cow and bull, the punch line is: "What kind of sexy job is that anyway?"
9. Imagine, if you would, how comfortable I am with my own sexuality to be able to do this.
10. I do not and will not post nude photos, nor do I misrepresent myself by using someone else's photos.
11. If you do not eat you die and I truly wish to have sex again before I die. That comes back to $$$$.
12. Although we call it "Phone Sex" some men just want to talk.
13. I will grant you that this is not a conventional way to earn a living, SO WHAT!! I have usually made less for doing more, and if the $$ were equal, this is FUN!~ (I have to do something to pay for my education. ;> )
14. Agreed, Everyone cannot do it, Please stop and consider for a moment... What makes a person do this? In my case the $$$ to promote my other business and the time that needs to flourish. And a physical injury which temporarily precludes me going out to work. I have a job waiting tables which I cannot do with a broken foot. Not everyone is suited to wait tables either.
15. I do what those who condemn cannot, listen without judgement. My question for today is Can I sell sex without nudity?
Thank You for allowing me to voice my opinion. Any one who wishes to contact me may do so, Via Email [email protected] Lucinda
quote:Originally posted by Uninhibited: As an owner of 8 adult web sites and mother of 2 and married! I will answer this as my side. As long as these children are in school or tucked away in their bed their is no reason that these mothers should not do it.. That is if that is their interest. This is not for everyone however I will say that I currently have single mothers and some that are just single women that work full time doing this type of work and they love it. Work their own hours don't have to worry about paying for child care the list goes on and on. To top of it off some of my top ladies are bringing in 800-1000 minutes a work at 1.10 per minute at 800 minutes they get a 80.00 bonus and 1000 they get a 100.00 bonus now you see that is not bad for a single mother or a single lady. NOT ON welfare!! Did not cost them a dime to start!! NO enrollment package or anything like that. No loss if they don't like it none at all!!!
posted October 04, 2000 10:32 AM
My experience is the more the offer to pay you the less clientle they have coming in for you or the more you have to advertise you.
I work for 2 companies and I work 2 to 5 hours a week and I make 50 to a hundred a week.
I have friends who do it full time and make the same that work for companies with no clients. I also know people who work full time and make 600 to 900 a week.
posted October 09, 2000 09:20 PM
I don't see anything wrong with phone sex. Personally, I just couldn't do it because I would have no clue what to say.
posted October 31, 2000 10:14 AM
I have read everyones reply!! I think that the people that have enough income are the ones who say it is not moral!! If you were so poor you could not feed your family you may think different! Let's face it their are not enough legit jobs that pay. Most are scams and don't pay what you deserve. That is why moms that can't come up with money to start their own business do this! I myself do not do this, but would consider it if I had to. I also feel that the one women who said she would do psychic work, but not phone sex, is wrong. First of all we all no that psychic hotlines are fake, phony, and simply entertainment!! It is not true nor does it pay what they claim. If you wan't to talk about moral than why is the psychic job ok, but phone sex, imoral? Psychic's are not exactly being honest either are they. Not to offend women who do this for a living. I am just making a point. Psychic's have to try and keep their customers on the line for as long as possible. Gee maybe to burn a whole in the customers wallets?! hmmmm......is that moral? Come on!!!! Don't preach unless your in these womens shoes! Also I knew a women who was a "Christian" but she smoked pot, and thought that was ok. I guess we all have our own opinion on what is right from wrong! Maybe, she thought it was ok to smoke pot and still preach to other people about their faults! I can assure you I am not trying to offend anyone, but wan't to open some eyes. Thats ALL
quote:Originally posted by TracyLovesToSew: I have mixed feelings about this. I am recovering from a major illness, have not been able to get disability, and am unable to even make it through a half day out of the house. DH works but money is tight.
If phone sex would pay the bills for a while, so be it. I actually looked into it, but the only opportunities I could find entailed going to chat rooms online and "soliciting" men to call your toll line. No thanks, I did not know cyber-streetwalking was part of the job description!
As it is I am selling off property and belongings for bill money and doing sewing and alterations when I feel up to it.
I have, however looked into doing tarot card readings for the psychic phone lines. I surely do not have a problem with that. But at this time, even the money for the second phone line is a luxury that will have to wait a while.
About the phone sex, as long as you are not doing it where kids can overhear you, or as long as you are not doing it behind your spouse's back, then it is a matter of personal comfort zones.
Some people feel it is morally wrong, some people feel it is just another job. I feel it is just another job. It just did not work out to be as lucrative and easy of a dollar as it appeared to be at first thought.
If the money situation got worse, I'd do it until things got better. Talking dirty on the phone to perfect strangers for cash would be much less of an emotional drain than the constant harassment from bill collectors day in and day out.
posted November 17, 2000 01:25 PM
First of all I would like to address the fact that some people use the word Christian like it is a given that everyone is one. Some people are Jewish and some are Muslim and there are many other religions too. As far as being as "adult actress" I only have to say that I do believe in God and I also believe that God is not judging us. He is compassionate and forgiving. God is God because "He" can look at us faults and all and love us for everything we are. No one punishes us for our less than optimal choices but ourselves.So if a person, in their life on earth decides to make a choice that some of us do not agree with does not make the choice wrong. No choice where the consequences are contemplated and accepted as something that an individual is willing to face is a wrong choice. It may not be the best option, but if that woman went on government assistance to support her child some of you would be just as critical. As for those of you who say there are plenty of work opportunities where a single mom can work at home and make enough money to support her children without doing anything "immoral" then please let me know. I have 3 children under the age of 4 and the Great Dissappearing Husband has been gone for most of their lives.Sorry to vent but it's a topic close to my heart.
posted December 05, 2000 11:27 AM
I think phone sex for money, is not the type of job anyone (male or female) should do. why? not because of religion or morality. Simply because I am a woman, and I am tired of what that means due to all of the sex-for-money in the world.
Too many people think women can be bought, I wonder where they get that idea from.
As to whether it is cheating or not. In my mind I think it is cheating, but understand others think differently. It will lead to the physical cheating if you wait long enough.
Why would married men call? They are bored with the physical they receive. Eventually they will tire of the "conversation" and seek to fulfill themselves more. Just like drugs, they will move to something stronger.
I feel sorry for those that work in this industry, and think that this is the ONLY way to make ends meet. There are more opportunities out there, you just need to look a little harder.
quote:Originally posted by jenna: Jillie,no offense to you but have you done anything for God?The personal realtionship we have with God is not take,take,take.We have a responsibility to live as God told us to.We can't go out and lead an un-Godly life and then just expect God to give us anything we want!My family has what we need,we will never starve or go w/out clothes or a roof over our head because I have the utmost faith in God!He promised to take care of us and I know He will.I live for God,I love God above anyone and anything else. You mentioned people being homeless waiting for God to do something for them.My question is,were they living "for" God?Were they living a Christian life?What were they doing for God??
dear jenna, hi!!! i havent been here in awhile so excuse the late reply. i do not live by a book, i do not live for god. i live for myself. i am not christian. i did during a very rough perios of my life way way back go to church with a friend for awhile, i did pray, i did try that route. it was a nice atmosphere at church, the peopel were so sweet and friendly and wondeful. but ididnt stick to it. im sorry but it unerved me that so many people live for god. live from a book i live for my family and myself i believe in them and myself. i can go to church and read the bible and pray till the cows come home. bottom line is i feel that people have to help themselves. if i sat there and decided gee, im going to give up my phone sex job, and my day job. and oh my goodness my latest new project is webvertising for a website that has escorts, massues, fetishes, they are popular in la and san fran and i am expanding them to chicago and arizona and possibly miami too, so if i gace that up as well, who would feed my kid, so i should give up all my jobs and projects and just sit on my duff and finish studying for my tech certification and go to church once per week and believe in god that he will feed my little girl, he will clothe her, pay our rent and utilities, buy her toys pay for all out bills and all i have to do is believe in him?????????? im sorry but i cannot take that chance. i will not let my child go hungry. to each their own. but maybe god created me to be independant for a reason for a purpose. we were all created different and wont always share the same beliefs. so would it be more godly of me to quit all my jobs and flip buirgers for minimum wage. than how would i afford my school books for my certification????? all i have to do is believe in god and force myslef to believe the bible and he will grant me school books?????? i dont know about you hun, but i want a nice life for my baby. and i want a career as well. good luck to all of us goodnight love jillie
quote:Originally posted by PatS: Girls, girls . . . think about it. . . if a guy was sitting next to you on the bus masturbating under his raincoat, you'd probably be disgusted and nauseated. What do you think these guys are doing at the other end of the phone?! They're not just sitting there listening to you "act". They're doing a little "acting" of their own. Also, some guys use phone sex to get themselves all jazzed up for forcing themselves on a real person, be it their wife or someone else.
It's not as innocent as it seemsdoesn't even address the fact that a little rotten edge will worm its way into your soul . . . There are plenty of other legitimate ways to earn money without trading a piece of your soul. Be strong.
dear pat, hi!!!! there are strict giudelines in telephone acting. you are not forced to discuss anythign illegal or immorall. if a guy brings up something illegal and sick he is cut off or hung up on, if a guy chooses to discuss something that is within guidelines and not illegal or immorall and it offends you you simply send his call tothe office and they give him another girl or decide what to do with him. we are not encouraging them to do something sick later on..... phone sex once again is fantasy. there is nothing wrong with that. every human being has sexual fantasies, most human beings..... sorry .... masterbate. that is our nature. weather men choose to call phone sex lines, or look at a penthouse mag or just fantasise in their heads<no pun, lol> it is fantasy. it is healthy i think. love jillie
quote:Originally posted by Jules2k: O my! Hmm..well, I must say that my hubby and I are not financially "well off", but I really think what's missing here is morals. Anything that sells sex is horribly disgusting and immoral. I would flip hamburgers before I would cheapen my relationship with my husband as well as God for money. Would you want your children to prostitute or be a phone sex worker? I think not. Be strong and find another way.
dear jules, i am glad for you that you would flip burgers if you had to instead of doing phone sex. you said:
I really think what's missing here is morals. Anything that sells sex is horribly disgusting and immoral.
if i had no morals i would let my kid starve. so anthign that sell sex is horribly disgusting and immoral??? um have you ever gone to a lingerie store and bought some sexy panties? sexy panties must sell sex to since they are made to feel nice and silky and and sexy to turn out men on, right??? come on now, grow up! phone sex is an acting job, do you watch tv? i am sorry but mlm's most anyway sem bull to me. you arent really selling a product, you are selling a line of hokey to innocent people who go move up the "matrix" by selling a line of hokey to others who in turn sell a line of hokey to others .... i think that is wrong. every mlm i have investigated, not one of the workers could tell me what would actually be sold??? how about the email proccessing jobs where you advertise a line of bull all over every classified board and it is reallythey are selling you books that you pay 30 to 70 bucks per month for them and you turn around and get others underneath you to do the same!!!! you can get books that you need on webdesighn, html ect at a bookstore for tons less than that so there for it is a rip off scheme tog et you to rip off others. i dont have to rip off anyone. they call the come they go!!! and i am doing this and my other 2 different jobs so thay i can afford my courses so thaty i can get a better life for my child so that she doesnt have to be a phone sex worker... i will be abler topay for her college. i am doing this so that she doesnt have to struggle as i have had to do. love jillie
posted December 27, 2000 02:13 PM
Jillie, Not all MLM are scams! I work as an independent consultant for an MLM that has been around for over 20 years. The very real product? Educational toys. It is NOT a get rich quick scheme by any means. There is an initial investment, as with any business you would start up. Of course ONE of the ways to grow your business is to recruit other people. However, the largest percent of your profit comes from your own personal sales. Nobody sits at the top of the pyramid doing nothing but watch her profit grow. The heart of my business is in-home shows. There are a number of legitimate MLM companies, each with an excellent line of products (Tupperware, The Pampered Chef, Discovery Toys, Premiere Design Jewelry...) Pyramids are illegal. I think some claim they are MLM, but they are not, and that is why so many people have gotten burned by so-called MLMs, and why MLM has become a bad word to many people. I am sorry that you did not find what you need through faith in Christ. I will tell you from my own experience that the Lord will provide. In the book of James (in the Bible), we are told that in order to receive what we ask of God, we have to believe that He will provide it. If you have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are cut off from God by your sin. (Face it, everybody sins, including me. That is a discussion for another day.) Through Jesus, we have a direct line to God. By praying through Jesus for forgiveness of your sins, and acceptance of Jesus as your Savior, that line to God is opened. I felt for so long that something was missing from my life. Finally, at the age of 25, I allowed my stubborn heart to be softened, and I let God into my life. I have since left my job as a teacher (I earned about 3/5 of our household income.) I started with Discovery Toys in June. I make about 1/4 of what I used to make (takes time to grow a business!). Through this financially tight time, God has been faithful. In October, we were coming up a little bit short. I checked the mail one day, and there was a check for over $200. It was slightly more than what we needed. The point is, God WILL provide for you. No, you can't sit on your behind and wait for Him to drop a roll of money in your lap. In my experience, that is not how God works. But if you have faith, and let God take control, He will guide you and provide for you. I understand that you must feed your child, and sometimes we all do what we perceive must be done. Do not sell yourself short. Love and Prayers in Christ, Jewel
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
quote:Originally posted by jilliestar1: dear jules, i am glad for you that you would flip burgers if you had to instead of doing phone sex. you said:
I really think what's missing here is morals. Anything that sells sex is horribly disgusting and immoral.
if i had no morals i would let my kid starve. so anthign that sell sex is horribly disgusting and immoral??? um have you ever gone to a lingerie store and bought some sexy panties? sexy panties must sell sex to since they are made to feel nice and silky and and sexy to turn out men on, right??? come on now, grow up! phone sex is an acting job, do you watch tv? i am sorry but mlm's most anyway sem bull to me. you arent really selling a product, you are selling a line of hokey to innocent people who go move up the "matrix" by selling a line of hokey to others who in turn sell a line of hokey to others .... i think that is wrong. every mlm i have investigated, not one of the workers could tell me what would actually be sold??? how about the email proccessing jobs where you advertise a line of bull all over every classified board and it is reallythey are selling you books that you pay 30 to 70 bucks per month for them and you turn around and get others underneath you to do the same!!!! you can get books that you need on webdesighn, html ect at a bookstore for tons less than that so there for it is a rip off scheme tog et you to rip off others. i dont have to rip off anyone. they call the come they go!!! and i am doing this and my other 2 different jobs so thay i can afford my courses so thaty i can get a better life for my child so that she doesnt have to be a phone sex worker... i will be abler topay for her college. i am doing this so that she doesnt have to struggle as i have had to do. love jillie
Hi, Jillie, I'm a new poster. I've been lurking for a while though. I HAVE much respect for the fact that you are taking care of your children and your family. I would like more info on this job and how I can get started myself. E-Mail me. I work part time in order to keep my daughter out of daycare due to fear. Unfortunately, we're not making enough to even set money aside for her future or even ours.
I believe, no, I know the Bible says in Matthew, "Judge not lest ye be judged." But my goodness there sure seem to be alot of judges on here. If everyone lived THEIR lives and stopped being so concerned with what others were doing in their lives, we wouldn't have these problems.
I went to a PRIVATE christian college and let me tell you that "christians" too have things to straigthen up in their lives as well. I do believe that before others should be judging what you do they should "Remove the plank from their eye, before trying to remove the speck from another's eye."
Jillie and other phone operators have no physical contact with customers, so fine. I'm not saying Biblically that it's the right thing to do, but married women and men who look upon the oppose sex with "lust in their hearts", ie. I wonder what he/she is like in bed, I wonder what he/she looks like without a top, ARE just as guilty as a phone sex operator.
All devout Christians, praise be to you in the highest and God's greatest blessings. But I'm sure a majority of you weren't in the light and glory of the Lord from the beginning. You found your way to him through being allowed to live your life and THEN look back and decide that wasn't pleasing in your eyes or HIS. Just as it took you Christians time to come around so it'll take others. DON'T FORGET YOUR PAST SINS OR WHAT YOU COME OUT OF TO MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU ARE. So until then, be patient with those of us who are still finding our way and living worldly.
Tupperware and Discovery toy consultations just don't get it where I'm from, a small southern town where people just aren't interested in "parties". Plus, I don't know enough people to even try that kind of venture.
Maybe your sin wasn't phone sex acting before you became a Christian, but let's say you and your hubby had premarital sex or you cursed, do you think your sin was any less JUST because you oppose phone sex acting more than you opposed premarital relations-I THINK NOT!! A sin is a sin!!!
To Christians I give you praise and to phone actors I do the same, cause in the end we're all striving for the same thing-Survival.
posted December 28, 2000 01:01 PM
Ladies (and Gentleman), I have been lurking also and enjoyed many of the responses I've read. The question posed was basically asking your opinion. Alot of you are bringing up the religious aspect of your choice. Fine, but don't suggest to us to give our lives up to (your) god or to live my life for him. Who is to say that I don't already have my own religion and a god of my own? My religion says "An it harm none, do what ye will". If I don't feel I am harming anyone by phone acting, who are you to say that I am? My God (or Goddess) does not condemn you for your beliefs, why does yours condemn me for mine? Like the rest of us here, I don't mean to offend anyone or their beliefs. But for you the answer is always your god. The answer can't be the same for all of us because we don't ALL believe in your god.
posted December 29, 2000 06:20 AM
I have been reading these posts for awhile and felt that I had to reply.
I used to work at one of the long distance phone companies, and we used to get men who would call in and masturbate on the phone --and we COULD NOT disconect the call as long as he wasn't abusive....I would much rather have gotten money for that instead of giving him a freebie every night.
Seriously though, I think others don't understand another person's situation fully enough to judge. Some jobs are degrading to women, and not everyone can do them. But I think that the motivation to provide for your family is a noble one and should not be taken lightly. The women that do this each have a personal reason for doing so. I think it should be left at that.
I am a WAHM that does daycare and let me tell you, there are days when I would take phone sex over that. It's attention taken away from my kids, my husband, not to mention the illnesses brought into my home, as well as the detrimental influences of other children who have no direction or discipline at home. WHich is better, forcing your kids to be around kids that are teaching them bad things, or having your entire day to spend with JUST your children and spend a few nights a week doing something in private that would probably turn my husband on to think about! He works third shift so I doubt he would even care about the hours.
This is all JMHO, but it's definately food for thought.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: "Like I said before MY GOD DOES NOT JUDGE! It says so in my bible. "
I would like to know where in the Bible it says that God does not judge. Maybe we are not using the same Bible because mine says that we all will be judged. The God I know forgives us for our sins-virtually erases them once we ask forgiveness. He is just, but He will judge us all. [/B]
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
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posted January 18, 2001 06:53 AM
Wow! Sorry I missed this discussion the first time around. I just have to say that I believe Jewel has been totally beat-up for no reason, she gave her opinion that's what this board is all about. And she did it with love and compassion...and what did she get in return..a toungue lashing. I really wish people wouldn't pick one verse out of the Bible and form their beliefs from that..ie, "Judge not less you be judged" if you read on the bible tells us that we ARE to be judges of a persons fruits. In other words disern a persons heart. As far as the phone sex operator that said she is tired of religion and God being brought up when they has nothing to do with the topic..WHO ARE YOU KIDDING??? God has everything to do with this topic!!! As Jewel said hate the sin love the person. I think it's interesting that everyone got so upset with Jewels honest opinion, could that be an indication of conviction and guilt? And as far as being afraid of putting your child in daycare or at a babysitter because fear of them being molested, what kind-of men do you think call these sex lines??? I know my opinions are strong, I know I'll probably get a ton of "who do you think you are" messages back, but to be quite honest I don't care..love me, hate me makes no difference to me because I am a child of God and I am striving for an eternal home with Christ and on Judgement Day I don't want to have to hear God say "My child if you would have only trusted in me I would have met all your needs." remember one thing....With God before us who can be against us?
posted January 18, 2001 08:30 AM
Amen! It's good to know there are at least a few people out there who agree with me. There is so much darkness in the world, I find it so very encouraging whenever I find someone carrying the light of Jesus!
quote:Originally posted by jcm0529: Wow! Sorry I missed this discussion the first time around. I just have to say that I believe Jewel has been totally beat-up for no reason, she gave her opinion that's what this board is all about. And she did it with love and compassion...and what did she get in return..a toungue lashing. I really wish people wouldn't pick one verse out of the Bible and form their beliefs from that..ie, "Judge not less you be judged" if you read on the bible tells us that we ARE to be judges of a persons fruits. In other words disern a persons heart. As far as the phone sex operator that said she is tired of religion and God being brought up when they has nothing to do with the topic..WHO ARE YOU KIDDING??? God has everything to do with this topic!!! As Jewel said hate the sin love the person. I think it's interesting that everyone got so upset with Jewels honest opinion, could that be an indication of conviction and guilt? And as far as being afraid of putting your child in daycare or at a babysitter because fear of them being molested, what kind-of men do you think call these sex lines??? I know my opinions are strong, I know I'll probably get a ton of "who do you think you are" messages back, but to be quite honest I don't care..love me, hate me makes no difference to me because I am a child of God and I am striving for an eternal home with Christ and on Judgement Day I don't want to have to hear God say "My child if you would have only trusted in me I would have met all your needs." remember one thing....With God before us who can be against us?
posted January 18, 2001 11:47 AM
This posting is so long, I skimmed through after the first page. I am opinionated, too. There are not enough moral people in this world. (Were there ever?) There are not enough people who would do the right thing, even when they will be criticized or laughed at. "Because I can", or "because I want to", or the lure of easy money, is not a good enough reason decide to do something. I honor you, Jewel, and others who are a lone candle burning in the darkness. If you want to talk to lonely people in the middle of the night, there are crisis hotlines. I know, I worked on one. Then you would be really be helping someone, and possibly steering them away from evil. I have felt the high of knowing I made a difference to someone reaching out. I know I have saved at least one life. It is hard to make ends meet, but don't do anything you wouldn't be able to explain to your kids, your husband, your mom and dad, or anyone else whose opinion you value. I tell my kids not to do anything they would be ashamed to see on the front page of the newspapers. I also think working in the sex trade adds to the devaluation of women as people to be cherished and respected. Phone sex can also be an addiction. I speak from personal experience. My first husband would stay up all night doing drugs and making calls. All the charges appeared on our phone bill, and he would lie, saying a friend was using our phone. That and the abuse he doled out when I told him he had a problem, spelled the end of our marriage. So, ladies, please hear me. I was married to one of those men on the other end of the line, and you weren't doing anyone a favor, you were just making money off someone with a bad problem.
posted January 29, 2001 06:06 AM
i do believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. i dont believe that people should form opinions on a job if they dont know much about it. i feel badly that you went through what you did with your x husband. what a jerk!!!! i am truly sorry for your experience. i do on occasion talk to one of these jerks that i can hear doing drugs or they tell me they are doing them. i choose to send the call back . i dont like to talk about drugs or spend time with men on the phone that are obviously doing them. witht he company i work with now. i can refuse the call and reverse the guys charges. i set my own guidelines! it is my business because i am an independant contractor. the guys i talk to. jillie
posted February 05, 2001 05:42 PM
MARGO29, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW, TRYING TO FIND A " PHONE ACTING JOB " AND I HAVE COME UP EMPTY HANDED EACH TIME. WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO E-MAIL ME THE INFORMATION REGAURDING THE ONE YOU WORK WITH. I REALLY NEED AN AT HOME JOB I CAN START ASAP. PLEASE HELP, A WOMAN DESPERATE TO BECOME A WORK AT HOME MOM. MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS [email protected] I LOOK FORWORD TO HEARING FROM YOU AND EVEN BECOMMING PEN PALS .THANKS A BUNDLE.
quote:Originally posted by margo29: I do not see anything wrong with phone sex. You are on the phone talking to someone, you are not having sex with the caller, and your children does not have to know what you are doing. I have been trying to find something like that to make extra money also. I am a single mother of one and it would be nice to do something like this at night while my son is asleep. The best thing about phone sex is, you will never have to meet that person.
I know that this topic is a real 'can of worms,' but you have to consider what these women are saying that actually DO this sort of work. These women are not coming back and saying for you to "check your life" like you are posting to them! This is obsurd. What really needs to be taken into consideration is that these women have found a means of survival, and they all are happy with the choices that they have made. If they were writing in and saying "I have the worst job in the world...and I'm a phone sex operator" then you might give them the suggestion to back off of it and recheck the situation, but that's just not the case. These women are independent and they are doing this for what seems right and just in their minds.
Now, after I have said that, I will go on to say that I have actually considered doing this type of work too. I simply don't know enough about the "business" to do it. I wouldn't know where to start, or where to end. I am hoping that someone on here (Jillie or someone of the like) would read this post and write back to me, but that's not something that I'm banking on. If it happens it happens, but from what I've read here, I do know that I am honestly interested in the field, and plan to pursue it--but not because I can't find anything better to do. Not because I am a Godless woman. I want to do this, and feel that it will allow me to do what I really want--stay home with my son and enjoy his early years.
posted March 05, 2001 10:03 PM
"These women are independent and they are doing this for what seems right and just in their minds."
This kind of thinking typifies what is wrong with our society in general. Today, a teenager shot 15 schoolmates, killing 2 and injuring 13. I'm sure in his mind he had justified what he was doing. So I guess since it seemed right and just in his mind, then that makes it OK. People just act out without thinking of the consequences of their actions. The Bible tells me in the book of Romans specifically not to place a stumbling block in the path of another. Phone sex operators are contributing to an addiction. Would you buy an alcolic a bottle of scotch? Or would you fill your wine glass in the company of an alcoholic who "got on the wagon" recently? Of course not. Phone sex is no different. I know people hit hard times, and I have the utmost compassion for them (compassion doesn't pay the bills, I know). It is a trade off - moral correctness, or paying bills. There are many options out there that are not degrading to women or the addicts upon which phone sex operations prey. One does not have to sell her soul to pay the bills (somewhat overstated, yes. Point made - hope so.) I am not judging anybody, just calling it like I see it. I admire anyone with the drive to care for their children at any cost. There are simply much better ways to do it. God bless all the moms working to make ends meet.
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posted March 06, 2001 01:26 PM
Jewel how can you compare murder to phone sex? Where in your mind did you get the impression that I have justified what I do and that makes me wrong. I go to church I worship god and I love my family. I unlike some of these women I don't have to do it. Its not my only option. I don't have to work. I do anyway and my alternative job will be paying for my daughter's catholic education. Not because I have to but, because I want to. I have not done anything wrong and I am not judged by anyone but you.
I have a wonderful marriage which is blessed by god himself. I have one daughter and one on the way. I live my life the way I see that I need to. I enjoy talking to people, I dont have to talk dirty to them and I don't need to preech to them. Some people are just lonely and they pay people to talk to them. Its not about jerking off on the phone. Some of gods children are lost I am not one of them.
You have your opinion and thats great and some of these women who feel they have to bring in extra money shouldnt feel like they are going to hell for it. It would be a sin to not take care of your child. It would be a sin to neglect and beat your child. Its not a sin to have a job that lets you stay at home to take care of your child. I am not selling my body or my soul to anyone. I have a very creative imagination and god gave me that.
God Bless and if any girls are intrested in doing this from home. I will be more than happy to help you.
posted March 06, 2001 02:21 PM
"[QUOTE]Originally posted by webmom76: [B]Jewel how can you compare murder to phone sex? Where in your mind did you get the impression that I have justified what I do and that makes me wrong. I go to church I worship god and I love my family."
Apparently, I did not make my point clear. In the eyes of man, phone sex is much less "sinful" than murder. My point was that the prevailing attitude is that whatever is OK for the individual goes, to heck with the consequences for anyone else. If you are a church going person, which does not always mean a Christian, but I will assume you are, I don't understand how you can't see phone sex as sinful. Any sex outside of marriage is wrong, according to God. I have been accused of judging, being a Bible thumper, being narrow-minded (more or less), and have had other insulting messages posted in response to my expressing my opinion based on my belief system. I have done no more or less than any other person who has posted here. I have not called names, nor have I passed judgment on any individual. It is not MY place to do so. It is God's place to judge. However, He has given all of us the ability to discern right from wrong (without that, how would we even know what is sin and for what to ask His forgiveness). He gave me a wonderful tool to help me - The Bible. Sexual immorality is wrong, and engaging in activities that harm others is wrong. If I am narrow-minded, I am glad, because the gate into heaven is a narrow one. I intend to keep my sights on that gate. As far as thumping my Bible, well, actually, I read it. God's word has the answers I need for living according to His will. I pray that God will bless every one of you sah/wahms, and I lift up an extra prayer for those who are struggling to make ends meet.
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posted March 07, 2001 02:04 PM
But Jewel I havent had sex outside of my marriage. I talk about sex on occasion but I am not having it with anyone but, my husband. He is the only man in this world I want to be with. Women who write erotic stories arent having sex outside their marriage and neither am I. I havent hurt anyone I have not ruined anyones life. I have used the creativity that god gave me. I have not solicited myself and I do not promote child abuse in anyway. I am a christian in fact I am pretty strict catholic. I havent done anything wrong.
You have passed judgement and said that what I was doing was sinful. My husband is supportive of me loving and caring. My god does not judge he loves all of his children. I stay at home with my child I will be the one to notice if there is something wrong. I am the one who will make sure that she has what she needs out of life. My daughter will know that she is to use the talents that our father has given her. To respect herself and to respect others. I have taught her that and I will keep on teaching her that. I have not disrepected myself or anyone else and I dont know how you cant see that.
Also you are not the only one who has read the bible. I don't think your narrowminded maybe a little opinionated. You have a right to think and feel how ever you wish. So do I! So does every mom, wife and daughter. As you can see this subject from the 3 pages it has extended is not one with a one sided opinion. I also pray for the moms who are struggling to make it. I know they would swallow there pride to take care of the family. Thats how moms are. I know in your heart you would do anything for your family. That may not include phone acting. I know I would walk on fire for mine if I had to.
God Bless All
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posted March 07, 2001 06:19 PM
I haven't read all of this, it's quite long. But I wanted to comment. On the first page Mom76 or something like that mentioned that families have problems and if they use this job to fix it, it's okay. To me it is quite obvious that a phone sex operator is a huge part of the problem with families. And the operator is just the start, one woman mentioned she had many web pages, that's another huge problem. I have a good friend whose marriage was broken up because her husband was and is addicted to pornography. Yes addicted. Just like alcohol and drugs. Someone mentioned that they wouldn't like their husband calling. And one operator mentioned that she thought the callers were lonely, disabled, etc. But you don't know. These callers are husbands, boyfriends, fiancees, and future ones. I can't tell you the damage I have seen in families that have had pornography addictions in them. I recently read an article where a wife thought a divorce would be better because then when the children were with their father, he would pay attention to them. So many younger people are addicted to. Does the addiction stop when they get married? No. The images or words are still in their minds and can jump into their thoughts anytime. It's possible I missed this focus by not reading all three pages, but I think we all need to consider this. Many people complain that there are problems with the world, that we need to fix it. I believe that many problems can be solved with a good home. So how can some of you work and get paid and wreck those homes, so yours is ok?
posted March 07, 2001 06:51 PM
Many homes are not okay. Sex and porn addiction doesnt cause it. Not all homes have those problems some do. I am not a hooker I am not a model in a porn mag or in the movies. I talk to allot of loney people. I talk to wives who want to know why their hubby called me. I don't know why husbands call. I didnt make them call and I didnt ask them to. I am not about to have an affair with them.
You can blame the sex industry. You can blame the phone companies or the internet, hbo or the little shops with the big XXX signs.
Its not my fault that some people lack self control. My family is fine. My husband is fine. My husband doesnt call those lines but, we do play out our fantasies with each other. Maybe that takes a little imagination and occasionally spicing up it our bedroom. Thats something I do for my husband. So if your husband wants someone to domminate him or play out some bi sexual fantasy that he is embarassed to tell his wife about. Maybe they have problems. I am not making them worse.
No ones marital fate is in my hands except my own. So watch who you blame.
Yes women out there do this to pay bills. More power to them. And webmom76 if you ever get tired of where your at email me at [email protected])
posted March 08, 2001 10:05 AM
I agree that sex and pornography addiction does not cause all the problems in the world, but I have personally seen it screw up marriages and families, so you can't say it has nothing to do with it (which is what I'm getting here). You don't know why husband's call, but if you weren't there (and all phone, internet, etc. weren't there), they couldn't call. >You can blame the sex industry. I do, I blame all of it for what it is doing to the world. Can I ask a question? Do you ever talk to young boys? What habits are they starting now that may wreck their lives in the future? I've seen the trouble younger kids have had and I've seen them overcome, luckily. I'm not blaming you for people calling you, I'm blaming you for being there-I wish I could shut down the whole industry. I agree that spouses need to be open with each other and share everything, that they shouldn't be calling phone lines instead. Believe me, I'm working on that side too. >I am not making them worse. How do you know? You could be the first time someone calls. For all I know he could have reached someone else and not liked it, but because he talked to you, he calls again and again and again. And because of that he is worse. Not your fault? You promote it, you make it accessible. If you don't want to take the blame now, fine, but I believe you will hear about it later.
I want to be specific that the reason I feel so strongly about this topic is because I have SEEN families torn apart by it. People I love have gone through many trials and difficulties because of it. The world would be a better place if the whole industry disappeared.
posted March 08, 2001 03:46 PM
The sex industry.... has been around long before the birth of this country. Women who choose to work in it do it by choice and they are not the damage or the decay of the earth. I haven't done anything wrong. I can tell you right now I have never talked "dirty" to anyone under 18. I refuse to talk to children. That contributes to the deliquincy of a minor. I follow the FCC guidelines.
I am sorry if there are people out there who are addicted to the sex industry. Not my fault people lack self control. I wouldnt know about marriages breaking up over it because I said before I don't have that problem. I am sure if I found a strange number or charge my husband and I after the blame could have a heart to heart.
I would be in the position to understand what he did before I knew why he did. Like I said my husband doesnt do that.
I don't promote or lure men to call me. I don't parade around the internet. Telling guys that they need to call me. I am not a drug dealer or a pimp. I am serving drinks at the bar. For me if you tell someone that can't do something they will do it to see if they get caught. Its a game for them. There addiction is a game.
posted March 08, 2001 07:03 PM
webmom...do you REALLY think God gave you a talent to be used in the phone sex industry? Please tell me that your kidding....You may not actually be performing the physical act of sex but you are in the heart and mind and so is the other person and the Bible tells us that lusting in the mind and spirit is as sinnful as the actual act. You say you have a daughter...would you want her to do this as a means of support..what about the baby on the way...should it be a boy would you want him to be the one calling? There is no respect in this line of work..not for the person dialing the phone or for the one picking it up. God loves you and he wants better for you, if he gave you a talent..and I'm sure he did he'd want you to put it to better use. You say you are a christian...did you pray and ask God if it was in his will for your life to take this job? I encourage you to do that..I'll be praying for you as well.
posted March 09, 2001 01:25 AM
I came across this little topic and found it fairly interesting.....and though I didn't read every comment in here I read enough to see that most have a religious base to them...which I feel makes no sense. Someone mentioned on the second page I think, about god being omniscient which made me think about this philosophical question (only because I am taking a course in it at present)...and if you look at this phone sex question as being "evil" in some sense...think about this "God it is said, has the attributes of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibelevolence. Now if God is omniscient, he knows about evil; if omnipotent, he can eliminate evil; if omnibenevolent, he wants to eliminate evil. Yet evil exists; and this means that God, as traditionally construed, cannot...." "God" does not decide what is right and wrong...only we can.....
quote:Originally posted by dontbescammed: webmom...do you REALLY think God gave you a talent to be used in the phone sex industry? Please tell me that your kidding....You may not actually be performing the physical act of sex but you are in the heart and mind and so is the other person and the Bible tells us that lusting in the mind and spirit is as sinnful as the actual act. You say you have a daughter...would you want her to do this as a means of support..what about the baby on the way...should it be a boy would you want him to be the one calling? There is no respect in this line of work..not for the person dialing the phone or for the one picking it up. God loves you and he wants better for you, if he gave you a talent..and I'm sure he did he'd want you to put it to better use. You say you are a christian...did you pray and ask God if it was in his will for your life to take this job? I encourage you to do that..I'll be praying for you as well.
God does fine for us! My mind and soul are not on the phone my stories are. My theological debates and my compasion is up for discussion. My choices are of my own free will of what is right and wrong for me and my serving of the lord.
Last night I talked to a woman who wanted to talk to me about the man she was going to marry I was on the phone for an hour. There was no sexual acts discussed about me and her. I am not into a hard core porn line.
posted March 09, 2001 09:49 AM
I am not trying to debate YOUR beliefs...I understand that what a person PERCEIVES to be true and right is stronger than reality...that doesn't mean it's morally right! Most people can justify ANY behavior...that doesn't mean it's RIGHT! You say you have a good marriage..and I believe you when you say that, you'd have no reason to lie...but let me play devils advocate for a minute, how would you feel if your husband was calling a sex line instead of coming to you for what he was lacking either emotionally or physically? Wouldn't you feel like he "cheated" on you? The damaging part of an "actual" affair isn't that you spouse had "sex" with someone else as much as it is the emotional betrayal of their commitment to one another. You sound as though you love your family more than anything in the world..and I respect you for that..but can you see my side if only for one second...what if someone else out there loves their family just as much as you do, but the man for whatever reason feels like he needs to experiment...and he calls a sex line,his wife finds out...she's devastated, her heart is broke and she wonders what else he has done that she doesn't know about, then she starts wondering what is wrong with her that made him go elsewhere, their marrige falls apart, the kids are now a product of divorce and lives are SHATTERED!!! Would you want to be one of the contributing factors in this crisis? Would you want to see that happen to someone that you love...brother, sister, mom, dad,son,daughter. This isn't just affecting the two people on the phone...it affects everyone in their lives. And what about my question as to your children...would you want this for them...to be on EITHER side of the phone? I hope I'm not sounding as though I'm judging you because I'm not, but I do feel we need to look at all sides to this issue.
posted March 12, 2001 01:06 AM
I have read alot of these posts and given this some thought. I too have emailed one of you ladies for more info before I decide. I think that much of the work on the phone (and i have done the phone psychic thing before I branched out) has to do with a pleasing voice and manner. remember that there are FCC guidelines on what can and cannot be said.
posted March 12, 2001 07:11 PM
God DOES indeed know about evil, is ENTIRELY capable of eliminating it, and WILL do so, in His time. The book of Revelation makes that perfectly clear. In the mean time, we all have free will. While God has the power to do anything He pleases, he chooses to allow us to make our own choices, to decide for ourselves if we will follow Him through faith in Jesus Christ Our Savior, or if we will choose not to accept His gift of His saving grace. My belief system is founded in the Bible and is entirely relevant to this topic. Phone sex is adultery. In addition, it brings harm, directly or indirectly to others. Even from a humanistic stand point, I think everyone would agree it is wrong to cause harm to others. Finally, iff everyone were to literally decide for himself what was right or wrong, our society would be in total chaos. I went through a philosophy course in college that convinced me to turn my back on Christianity. I thank God that He put people in my life whom He used to lead me back to Him. I pray the same will happen for you.
quote:Originally posted by Carolyn: I came across this little topic and found it fairly interesting.....and though I didn't read every comment in here I read enough to see that most have a religious base to them...which I feel makes no sense. Someone mentioned on the second page I think, about god being omniscient which made me think about this philosophical question (only because I am taking a course in it at present)...and if you look at this phone sex question as being "evil" in some sense...think about this "God it is said, has the attributes of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibelevolence. Now if God is omniscient, he knows about evil; if omnipotent, he can eliminate evil; if omnibenevolent, he wants to eliminate evil. Yet evil exists; and this means that God, as traditionally construed, cannot...." "God" does not decide what is right and wrong...only we can.....
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posted March 14, 2001 02:41 AM
So Jewel, what you are telling me is that God CHOOSES to allow suffering and evil, and that he will eliminate it in his own time? How much suffering is mankind to endure before he steps up to the plate?? I am not so sure I would like to meet this God.
As for the Bible, I am not a theologian, but whatever facutal basis it has is entirely up for debate. As a work of literature however, it is something to behold.
You are completely right in the fact that man/woman has free will and can decide for themselves what their morals and beliefs are. You are speaking about morals from the Bible which you believe to be truth, but they are your (and albiet a substantial # of peoples) morals, not everyone's. To follow any religion one must have "faith" and allow themselves to put that faith in something which is completely intangible. There are many people who will not willingly follow something that they cannot see or touch....and that does not make them WRONG in what they believe. This phone sex issue may be a question of values, morals, and societal woes, but religion needs to be left out of it for it to be valid in any way.
And yes, it is wrong to cause harm to others, but the trade of sexual favours, in any form, has probably been going on from the time we were able to stand on two legs. It is almost certainly a question of supply and demand, and because people seek it out there will always be someone there to provide it.
quote:Originally posted by Jewel: God DOES indeed know about evil, is ENTIRELY capable of eliminating it, and WILL do so, in His time. The book of Revelation makes that perfectly clear. In the mean time, we all have free will. While God has the power to do anything He pleases, he chooses to allow us to make our own choices, to decide for ourselves if we will follow Him through faith in Jesus Christ Our Savior, or if we will choose not to accept His gift of His saving grace. My belief system is founded in the Bible and is entirely relevant to this topic. Phone sex is adultery. In addition, it brings harm, directly or indirectly to others. Even from a humanistic stand point, I think everyone would agree it is wrong to cause harm to others. Finally, iff everyone were to literally decide for himself what was right or wrong, our society would be in total chaos. I went through a philosophy course in college that convinced me to turn my back on Christianity. I thank God that He put people in my life whom He used to lead me back to Him. I pray the same will happen for you.
posted March 14, 2001 03:44 PM
Well, actually, yes it does make them wrong. To be blunt, there is only ONE way to get to Heaven. If you do not believe in Heaven and Hell, you will in the end times when it is too late. There are very clear definitions of what is right and what is wrong. God does allow suffering, just as a parent will at times allow a child to face the consequences of their own actions, even if those consequences are unpleasant: for example, the parents who let their teenager spend a night in jail because the child was at a party and was intoxicated when the police arrived. Unfortunately, bad things happen even to believers. The Bible does not promise an easy life here on Earth. What is does promise is that God works for the good of His children. That might mean that a tragedy will occur in your life that will have a ripple effect and ultimately help others and glorify God. Bad things happen because humans have fallen from the perfection we had in Eden. God allows them to happen to make us stronger. God does not need to "step up to the plate." He is ALWAYS there waiting for people to use their free will to choose to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior. God's plan for eliminating evil in the end times is revealed in the Book of Revelation. I do not qualify anything about what the Bible tells me with "I believe" this is the truth. I know deep down in my soul that it is. Yes, it is a leap of faith, but I have had such a feeling of peace from the moment I prayed to receive God's most precious gift of grace through His Son Jesus Christ that there is no doubt in my mind as to what the truth is. You're argument that sexual immorality has been around forever is not a valid argument. Surely it is true, but that does not make it acceptable. Wrong is wrong, no matter how many people do it, or how long it's been going on. Is it OK to steal simply because somebody else will do it if you don't, and people have always done it?
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posted March 15, 2001 09:59 PM
Jewel, I couldn't have said it better myself. Wrong is wrong and immoral is immoral, religious beliefs or not. Shades of gray and subjective points of view don't change that fact.
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