posted September 07, 2000 04:01 PM
Girls, girls . . . think about it. . . if a guy was sitting next to you on the bus masturbating under his raincoat, you'd probably be disgusted and nauseated. What do you think these guys are doing at the other end of the phone?! They're not just sitting there listening to you "act". They're doing a little "acting" of their own. Also, some guys use phone sex to get themselves all jazzed up for forcing themselves on a real person, be it their wife or someone else. It's not as innocent as it seems. And that doesn't even address the fact that a little rotten edge will worm its way into your soul . . . There are plenty of other legitimate ways to earn money without trading a piece of your soul. Be strong.
posted September 07, 2000 04:36 PM
I didn't read all of the posts but I read enough! First of all I would like to say that I agree with Jewel 100%.I think it's wrong.Yes,I would most definately rather be on welfare than to do that sort of thing. I know that GOD is going to take care of my family and I.I don't know how (and I don't have to know how) HE'S going to do it..But I KNOW He will!So I don't worry that much. No,we don't have alot of material things.Yes,it takes every single penny we have to make it.But that's ok.I am a SAHM with 6----yes,I did say 6!----kids.My husband makes about 20,000./year.That's not much but it gets us by.And we do have hard times,I might add.But noone said life was going to be perfect did they? So,don't fret....keep the faith....God will take care of you!My family is a very good example!Have a good day all
posted September 07, 2000 11:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jenn_6: My response maybe doesn't quite fit here, but THANK YOU jenn_6. My husband makes about the same, and I just quit my very secure job as a public school teacher to be a wahm. It's a little scary right now knowing that I have just received my last predictable paycheck. I know the Lord will take care of us, and I know that leaving full-time work behind was absolutely the right thing to do. It is just good to hear that somebody else out there is making it work, and with 4 more mouths to feed than we have! Thank you for sharing that.
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
posted September 08, 2000 09:46 PM
As an owner of 8 adult web sites and mother of 2 and married! I will answer this as my side. As long as these children are in school or tucked away in their bed their is no reason that these mothers should not do it.. That is if that is their interest. This is not for everyone however I will say that I currently have single mothers and some that are just single women that work full time doing this type of work and they love it. Work their own hours don't have to worry about paying for child care the list goes on and on. To top of it off some of my top ladies are bringing in 800-1000 minutes a work at 1.10 per minute at 800 minutes they get a 80.00 bonus and 1000 they get a 100.00 bonus now you see that is not bad for a single mother or a single lady. NOT ON welfare!! Did not cost them a dime to start!! NO enrollment package or anything like that. No loss if they don't like it none at all!!!
quote:Originally posted by PatS: Girls, girls . . . think about it. . . if a guy was sitting next to you on the bus masturbating under his raincoat, you'd probably be disgusted and nauseated. What do you think these guys are doing at the other end of the phone?! They're not just sitting there listening to you "act". They're doing a little "acting" of their own. Also, some guys use phone sex to get themselves all jazzed up for forcing themselves on a real person, be it their wife or someone else. It's not as innocent as it seems. And that doesn't even address the fact that a little rotten edge will worm its way into your soul . . . There are plenty of other legitimate ways to earn money without trading a piece of your soul. Be strong.
hi!!! i know many and have seen many people praying and trusting in god to feed and support there famies... and sad to say it many of them are homeless. would you rather work a totally easy and fun job talking dirty and sometimes you dont have to talk dirty to a guy on the phone a few hours a night, so that you can have some money to pay your bills, or childs school costs, or buy them clothes and food, or would you rather sit on your but and do nothing for your family, i have an obligation to my little girl to love and take care of her and make sure she has everything she needs plus extras,she is my life nd i love her more than life itself. and i enjoy being able to buy her things he needs and wants. yes the men on the other end of the phone, some are gross and some are not bad. i just got off of work awhile agoa nd i had a 180 minute call and all i had to do was say i was smoking and say "boom chica boom" he like d hearing thise words and had a smoking fetish, i didnt have to utter one cuss word the whole time and made over 50 bucks for that one call, when most for 3 hours would make minimum wage and lets not forget ourselves too i like to have nice things too .
bottom line is some people take it out of context. so men are jerking off big deal! it is a natural thing to do, whats the difference between a guy spending money on a dirty mag, or getting a lap dance? they re paying for the fantasy, the illusion, they are not paying to have sex with you. it is sad ithink that many people do not get it. prostitution, is a someone paying you to have sexual relations with you in person, to actually have sex with them!! penetration, a phone sex actress is just that an actress!! she is being paid to act, you know kinda like on tv shows there are actresses who portray characters and pretend to be someone who they realy are not??? i am not saying it is for everyone, it is not. but just because it is not for you, does not mean that it is wrong or bad, i couldnt bring myself to be a pornostar because, i am in a serious relationship and in porno you are actually physically naked with other men and women doing "things" although alot of that is just trick photography too. technology is great!! but i dont see anything wrong with being a pornostar for someone else,
and for those that say that they think it is wrong to do phone sex because they are married, it is just an acting job is all it is, my man has seen me perform my job many times and he got a kick out it he thought it was histerically funny. he doesnt mind, why should he mind? we have been together 4 years and i hve not left him for a caller yet!! lol lol lol so do what you feel is right for you because it is right for you. i just get such a kick out of this topic. be your own person, dont not do something because god would disapprove dont do it because you dont want to do it. no offense but god hasnt done anything for me financially and if i waited until he did i woud be broke and on welfare, and my career is in computers not welfare. i have 2 arms 2 legs a very nice voice sd a smart very independent mind there for i can work. i can see going on welfare for peopel if it is a temp thing but not as a career move. excuse the typos it is late!!! love jillie
posted September 11, 2000 10:25 AM
Jillie,no offense to you but have you done anything for God?The personal realtionship we have with God is not take,take,take.We have a responsibility to live as God told us to.We can't go out and lead an un-Godly life and then just expect God to give us anything we want!My family has what we need,we will never starve or go w/out clothes or a roof over our head because I have the utmost faith in God!He promised to take care of us and I know He will.I live for God,I love God above anyone and anything else. You mentioned people being homeless waiting for God to do something for them.My question is,were they living "for" God?Were they living a Christian life?What were they doing for God??
posted September 11, 2000 09:00 PM
Yes some jobs should not be done at home. Like prostitution... Escorts But phone sex is not illegal and you are not in any physical danger
Okay HELLO I know that in my life time.... All of 24 years I have not always practiced but I have ALWAYS respected GOD. I am not married to GOD. I did not become a nun. I am a healty happy woman who sells her soul to NO ONE.
I do work for a phone sex line. This morning I was on A call that was talking for 55 min he was just lonely he wanted to talk about football and the internet. He could have been jerking off listening to me talk about teaching myself how to design websites. He could have gotten off hearing about html coding or Dhtml. Not all of these men talk about sex. Sex is not unhealthy. It is something that I gladly experience with only my husband! If I have a guy who talks about it thats fine with me.
I am able to go to church on Sunday and hold my head up. DH makes enough to support our family, I still like the idea that I will be making sure that my daughter is able to have EVERYTHING that she needs and then some. She has alot of talents that are god given and not a day goes by that I am not grateful for every hair on her head.
Like I said before MY GOD DOES NOT JUDGE! It says so in my bible. I started doing this to make sure my cousin went along with me and made enough money to put groceries in her house. She was ashamed that I was buying them online and sending them to her. She felt bad that I paid her electric bill.
It scared me to be an at home mom. It scared me to work the phones. What scares me more is that pride can make a family go hungry.
GOD will take care of you. GOD will make sure that you have what you need and if he only shows you the window you need open it.
posted September 11, 2000 09:58 PM
I am a phone sex operator too, I do it because I am disabled and uneducated and there is little else I can do. I don't have children so I don't qualify for welfare, and they turned down my disability claim. Maybe it is not the most moral thing to do, but it is all there is.. so why judge me? Most of the guys are just depressed, and it is not like I am joining in on their fun.. I sit here and read and let them talk about their problems. They just need someone to pay attention to them. I know how that feels. The sad thing is that people have to pay 4.99 a minute just to have someone to talk to. Until there is no need for that in the world, I will be there, the friendly voice on the phone. StefaniP [email protected]
posted September 12, 2000 08:42 AM
I jugde noone,that's wrong.But I do have my opinions on "acts" and "behavior".And some I can't agree with but it doesn't mean I don't love the person,because I really do! One day we will all be before the throne and,yes,we will be judged.The question is,are we going to be ready?
posted September 12, 2000 10:33 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jewel: [B]Phone sex is nothing short of prostitution. If you have to hide your job from your kids, that's a major indication that you should not be doing that particular job.
Jewel-I agree wholeheartedly. While it is not illegal it is not something you would be proud to tell your children about and does not set a good role model example. If you think that is the only at home job you can do you are selling yourself way short. I am in no way an MLM fan, but there are MLM's that anyone can get into for less than $50 and the very fact that you have a computer and are posting on this board means you have significant enough typing skills to pursue something like an at home typist. While neither may pay big bucks either one is something I would not be ashamed to tell my children about.
I understand being a single mom you have to do something to pay the bills and take care of the kids and your dedication to that shows you are a good mom...just don't sell yourself short
------------------ Tracey Nelson [email protected] "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it."
quote:Originally posted by wahmcheryl: Are there jobs a work-at-home mom just shouldn't do? If a WAHM is getting paid for phone sex while the kids are in school, is she harming anyone? Is she cheating on her husband?
What do you think?
I think that yes, their are jobs that a work at home mom shouldn't do. If you have to hide what you are doing, whether it be a job or anything else, then that means what you are doing is wrong or else why do you have to hide it? As parents we are supposed to be role models for our children and this does include all areas of our lives. Is she harming anyone? Yes, herself. Phone sex or any other kind of sex for pay is wrong. I definitely understand needing to pay the bills and wanting to be home with your children to raise them your self because that is how I felt and still feel. I started my own home business, a Daycare out of my home and it pays my bills and I get to raise my kids. Is she cheating on her husband? Yes! Cheating is not only done physically. There is verbal, emotional and physical cheating. Cheating is cheating! I do not mean to sound harsh or judgemental, I simply answered the question honestly according to the way I feel. We all make our own choices, in our own lives, and we also must each face our own consequences to our choices.
posted September 12, 2000 02:07 PM
I am not disabled or a single mother nor do I use phone sex to pay the bills.... I am a phone sex operator and I do it becuase I am single and I am saving myself for marriage. I am holding back on having sex with my boyfriend. I use it to listen in on what I am not doing. I am in no physical danger I wont have a child until I am ready and God is willing to let me have one. I dont tell everyone that I do this but, its my private life. I dont have to worry about giving my husband or anyone aids I am not sleeping with guys for money I am talking to alot of loney men. Some of which are unhappy with their sex life. Some of which are husbands and I usually spend the time talking about the wife. I want to know why they are calling me instead of cuddling with their wife I listen in on how pretty they think their wife is and how rejected they feel.
When I get married I want to be the one and only and the best. I have a sex drive that is in over drive and if this is how I get my kicks off then so be it.
I dont hide what I am doing I am just not waving a flag about it. My real job is a stay at home web deisgner. And any woman who does phone to take care of business at home then POWER to you.
I dont believe that if you and your husband agree that it does not interfere with your sex life and that it doesnt emotionally affect you then... Well hey it is called acting for a reason.
posted September 13, 2000 04:58 PM
WOW!!! This topic is a hot one. I am a 41 yr. old, hi-risk pregnant woman who quit my job the same month I had my last cycle. Thinking I, with my marketable skills, could get another job with no problem. Who knew uh?
It's been hard on my husband handling the bills alone as we 'go thru' these hard times. And yes, I have thought of phone acting. The thing that has always deterred me from such is my belief in 'His word'. Still, the thought crosses my mind because I know that this is how people end up sleeping in their cars; homeless.
I've also thought of building 'adult web sites'. My unborn baby is tired of being hungry.
I joke about my husband bringing my resume and an interview outfit to the recovery room when my infant is only hours old. No LOL. Honestly? I am scared to death I'll have to leave my baby with a sitter.
Jewel? I want to be a Christian so bad. I try to live my life in 'His will'...but it's hard at times. The thing that makes it extra hard is when those that have found the way fail to show compassion to those of us who are stumbling along. When you see someone living out of fellowship...pray for them. And oh yes...send me the information about your employee. Maybe I can find at home-work with them also. That would be more of the Christian way...don't you think?
quote:Originally posted by willworkforfood: WOW!!! This topic is a hot one. I am a 41 yr. old, hi-risk pregnant woman who quit my job the same month I had my last cycle. Thinking I, with my marketable skills, could get another job with no problem. Who knew uh?
It's been hard on my husband handling the bills alone as we 'go thru' these hard times. And yes, I have thought of phone acting. The thing that has always deterred me from such is my belief in 'His word'. Still, the thought crosses my mind because I know that this is how people end up sleeping in their cars; homeless.
I've also thought of building 'adult web sites'. My unborn baby is tired of being hungry.
I joke about my husband bringing my resume and an interview outfit to the recovery room when my infant is only hours old. No LOL. Honestly? I am scared to death I'll have to leave my baby with a sitter.
Jewel? I want to be a Christian so bad. I try to live my life in 'His will'...but it's hard at times. The thing that makes it extra hard is when those that have found the way fail to show compassion to those of us who are stumbling along. When you see someone living out of fellowship...pray for them. And oh yes...send me the information about your employee. Maybe I can find at home-work with them also. That would be more of the Christian way...don't you think?
And you have every right to be scared to leave your infant child with just anyone. I couldnt do it. My godson was beaten and neglected in daycare. The best person to take care of your child is either you or your husband.
Things were tight here and our spending habits had to change. Our beliefs in god have never changed. No one in church would believe that I act at home. I no longer have to do it for the money right now I am doing it so we are never in the situation again. That and I like the fact that I have a paycheck with my name on it coming in.
If god did not want us to have sexuality he wouldnt have given it to us. I believe that my husband and I are one the god meant for him to take care of me and me to take care of him. Our sex life is amazing and my acting has nothing to do with that.
God would rather you talk to a man who is lonely than get paid to sleep with him.
posted September 14, 2000 11:53 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by willworkforfood: Jewel? I want to be a Christian so bad. I try to live my life in 'His will'...but it's hard at times. The thing that makes it extra hard is when those that have found the way fail to show compassion to those of us who are stumbling along. When you see someone living out of fellowship...pray for them. And oh yes...send me the information about your employee. Maybe I can find at home-work with them also. That would be more of the Christian way...don't you think?[/B][/QUOTE
I pray for all the moms that post on this site, and specifically for those who seem to be facing financial as well as other difficulties, and for those who appear to be out of fellowship with God. I would be happy to share with you the information about my job. I am a consultant with an MLM. Cheryl has requested that this be an ad free forum, but you can find information on Discovery Toys at www.discoverytoysinc.com. You will be refered to the group manager closest to your location. I wish you all the best! I agree that it is not always easy to be a Christian. "Wordly" ways are often more convenient and provide "instant gratification." I don't know what your circumstances are like, how bad things really are, but please know two things: God loves you very much and there is a woman in Georgia who will be lifting you up in prayer tonight. I'd like to know how you are doing, and if I can help you in your Christian walk, I would like to do so. Email me at [email protected]
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
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quote:Originally posted by jenna: Jillie,no offense to you but have you done anything for God?The personal realtionship we have with God is not take,take,take.We have a responsibility to live as God told us to.We can't go out and lead an un-Godly life and then just expect God to give us anything we want!My family has what we need,we will never starve or go w/out clothes or a roof over our head because I have the utmost faith in God!He promised to take care of us and I know He will.I live for God,I love God above anyone and anything else. You mentioned people being homeless waiting for God to do something for them.My question is,were they living "for" God?Were they living a Christian life?What were they doing for God??
Jenna, AMEN! Jewel
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
posted September 15, 2000 07:09 PM
Just a reminder regarding email ... you all can sign up for a free private email account at WAHM.com, and your address will be "you"@ima.wahm.com
posted September 15, 2000 10:20 PM
Thanks, Cheryl. I didn't know that! I just signed up!
quote:Originally posted by wahmcheryl: Just a reminder regarding email ... you all can sign up for a free private email account at WAHM.com, and your address will be "you"@ima.wahm.com
quote:Originally posted by Christine Wasankari: Jewel, I am in total agreement with your logic as far as not doing this type of work. Succintly put. However, you may consider suggesting a person look into themselves for their sense of spirituality...rather than yelling at them to go to church and accept Jesus. Not all have the same belief system as you and it is an affront to yell at them to do so. Consider positive suggestions rather than insisting they do it your way. This should be a discussion board where we work out ideas and support one another, not a place to argue and make any one feel as though they are less because they may not go to church or believe in one of many religions.
I would like to say I totally agree with Christine. I also will say I did not take her message as "yelling" at people to do things her way or telling everyone to "go to church". It is the same as cheating. It has no bearing on where you are, you are still having sexual relations with someone weather or not its person does not matter. I am also a Christian and I ask myself whenever in question about something, "Would God want me to do this?" "Am I doing this unto the Lord?" I will not push my religion on anyone, each person has to decide if they want God in their life, but it sure couldn't hurt. Could it.
Your right, we are not God. There is only one God and he is Omniscient. Meaning, "all knowing". He is loving and forgiving. But if you ask for forgivness from something, you should not turn around and do it again. Maybe you are in or have been in a bad situation, but I'm sorry, selling your body to make ends meet, thats a copout to me. There is always another door to go through. Maybe you don't want to hear it, maybe it makes you mad, but the Lord does not close one door without opening another one.
posted September 20, 2000 02:07 PM
I havent asked for forgivness not from god for this and not from my husband. I am okay with it. I have asked for his purpose for me and my family. I am not god I cant tell you whats right for you or right for you to believe. I go to church and I don't see where I need to tell my children or where I dont need to tell them. I hide NOTHING. I dont work in front of them.. But, when they are old enough and have the need or the desire to know I will tell them. Like when I explain sex, rape and how to avoid it.
This is not the 50's and my sexuality need not be hiden but, I do not need to flaunt it in front of everyone. If I decide to work in the sex industry then that is my choice and I am not selling my soul to anyone. I am acting and no one knows who I am they know my character.
Ashley is who I am on the phone. I am a loving mother of a pretty baby and a devoted wife. My husband is Supportive and is not so closed minded to think that I am his property. I am a child of GOD. I have free will and I have a set of morals that I was given by god.
posted September 20, 2000 05:00 PM
I'm a married mom who just lost her job and I was searching online for jobs that would allow me to stay home with my baby and I came across this thread and just had to comment. If I had to choose between putting my son in daycare(which we can't afford so it's pretty much a moot point) and working outside the home, or staying home and being a "phone actress" and making sure my child is fed and clothed, you can be darn sure that I'm going with the actress job. In fact, I've been trying to get information on this kind of job, so if anyone has any info on LEGITIMATE companies, please email me! On the subject of morals, I don't know about your God, but the Goddess teaches us that our children are the most important things we're given, the greatest blessing, and you do WHATEVER you have to, with Her love and blessings, to take care of those children. In Her eyes, all acts of love and pleasure are gifts to be cherished. By doing this I would be making sure that my child has a roof over his head and food in his tummy and if some man/woman gets pleasure in the process, then so be it. I'm sorry if this post offends anyone, but I just thought I'd add a little different perspective to the topic.
Blessings, Nita
------------------ The Light of the Maiden surrounds you, The Love of the Lady enfolds you, The Power of Gaia flows through you. Where ever you are, The Goddess is. And all is well.
quote:Originally posted by Mama Witch: I'm a married mom who just lost her job and I was searching online for jobs that would allow me to stay home with my baby and I came across this thread and just had to comment. If I had to choose between putting my son in daycare(which we can't afford so it's pretty much a moot point) and working outside the home, or staying home and being a "phone actress" and making sure my child is fed and clothed, you can be darn sure that I'm going with the actress job. In fact, I've been trying to get information on this kind of job, so if anyone has any info on LEGITIMATE companies, please email me! On the subject of morals, I don't know about your God, but the Goddess teaches us that our children are the most important things we're given, the greatest blessing, and you do WHATEVER you have to, with Her love and blessings, to take care of those children. In Her eyes, all acts of love and pleasure are gifts to be cherished. By doing this I would be making sure that my child has a roof over his head and food in his tummy and if some man/woman gets pleasure in the process, then so be it. I'm sorry if this post offends anyone, but I just thought I'd add a little different perspective to the topic.
Blessings, Nita
Nita, you must be kidding me! Wake up and abandon your false gods.
posted September 22, 2000 09:15 PM
Well ....... this is my take on the situation. I agree with several posters that a bit of decorum and common sense (kids out of earshot, private one on one conversations,privacy, etc.) goes a long ways in preventing any "hurt" being doled out to anyone and makes the situation more palatable for people with some reservations about its propriety .... Of course I am a free thinker ... I do not base any of my decisions based on religious beliefs or strictures.I try to use reason and a humanist moral standard ... ie... Who does it hurt? How does it hurt? Is the hurt good or bad for my own human self or the self of others directly involved? ... after all I am here to live an all too brief life (in the overall scheme of things) and I want the most productive part of that life spent doing things that I find both enlightening and enjoyable with a minimum of "hurt" to anyone around me with the prevailing thought being "I don't hurt them ... they don't hurt me" .... Of course in the living of this life choices have to be made ... am I capable of separating sex from love, etc. ... do I have a natural sense of embarrassment about this potential situation? , etc... I find that I would try it ... maybe I'd like it , maybe not .... but I wouldn't say no to it just because someone or some deity (or its purported representative .. on this earth or ethereal in spirit) says so. Human life is about seizing opportunities to improve or grow wherever they exist no matter how goofy some of these opportunities may seem ... and sometimes the monetary needs to exist in a capitalist society makes certain opportunities an attractive alternative to other forms of work. Do what you want , try it or don't but don't blame anyone or anything else if it makes you feel guilty ... guilt comes from within not from some mystical character like Satan , etc. ... Seize the day and make it yours fellow warriors of the home front
quote:Originally posted by margo29: I do not see anything wrong with phone sex. You are on the phone talking to someone, you are not having sex with the caller, and your children does not have to know what you are doing. I have been trying to find something like that to make extra money also. I am a single mother of one and it would be nice to do something like this at night while my son is asleep. The best thing about phone sex is, you will never have to meet that person.
quote:Originally posted by margo29: I do not see anything wrong with phone sex. You are on the phone talking to someone, you are not having sex with the caller, and your children does not have to know what you are doing. I have been trying to find something like that to make extra money also. I am a single mother of one and it would be nice to do something like this at night while my son is asleep. The best thing about phone sex is, you will never have to meet that person.
Could you please tell me how I can go about getting a job as a phone sex operator?
posted September 23, 2000 05:41 PM
I must say that we live in a wonderful country when we have CHOICES and the FREEDOM to follow our "comfort" whether moral or financial.
There are places in the world where women DON'T HAVE CHOICES, they must make money and fed their families the best way they know how.
It's unfortunate that there are some women that don't WANT to do this type of work and feel that this is the best avenue to feed their kids. I'm not putting them down, because I have ALOT of respect for ANYONE taking care of their kids the best way they know how.
As for immoral aspects . . . I feel it is immoral to do ANYTHING that you don't feel good about doing. And I can speak from experience in this because as a SECRETARY to Presidents and CEOS I've found that I did things that really HURT me and degrade me within those positions:
1. I simply HATED serving coffee to people (if I was a waitress this would be okay, this is part of the job description. But I was someone ASSISTANT and had years of training and a college degree. I hated doing it, but kept my mouth closed to "keep my job and keep my paychecks" -- I "felt" like I was prostituting myself. I was doing something I did NOT want to do for the money.)
2. I was required to keep track of the person's anniversiy, wife's birthday, and OTHER PEOPLE's birthdays . . . if you catch my drift. (I found this terribly wrong because I would not want my husband cheating on me and having his secretary send us both flowers on Valentine's Day . . . but the bills were high, we were trying to buy a house [the apartment was too small of us with kids] and we need my benefits. I could NOT afford to look for another job. So I closed my mouth and did it. I felt wrong, wrong, wrong!)
There are many instances like this that I had to swallow my thoughts, my morals, and my stomach because I felt that what was going on was NOT RIGHT. And I worked for what people would call a "legitimate and moral" positions (note plural because these things happened in more than ONE place).
The moral to the story?
I couldn't very well keep QUITTING the jobs I worked from because there were things I did not agree with. Because I did not agree with some very important things in EVERY ONE OF THE POSITIONS. So, I swallowed, realized that this was NOT something I was going to do forever and used it as a stepping block to something else that would be better for me.
Understand that many of the women that MAY decide to do the phone sex thing may be using this as a stepping stone. And though YOU may not choose to do it this way, it's more important to support someone and SHOW them new avenues to better ways then to just point a finger at their decision and tell them it's WRONG but offer no viable alternative to move away from this.
Personally, I it hurts to see people that don't LIKE what they do, have to do something that eats away at them. Hopefully, we can change this and create better avenues for everyone. I think that's what's WAHM.com is all about.
posted September 25, 2000 05:32 PM
As a dad and husband, it's not a good idea for baby to hear, but for $ 1.10 a min ($66.00 an hour), I can handle it. As long as it is just for the money, I don't see the big deal... Just my 2 cents.
quote:Originally posted by Katie518: I agree with the first reply. I don't think I'd want to take the chance on kids overhearing, or for that matter, I don't think husbands would much care for hearing that kind of phone call either. I just don't think it's worth the chance. You could ruin a lot of lives doing something like that. Is money really worth all that?????
quote:Originally posted by Jehova rules: Nita, you must be kidding me! Wake up and abandon your false gods.
Oh please...:::shaking her head and laughing::: I merely gave MY opinion of the topic at hand, whether or not phone sex is a valid occupation for SAHM/D's, if you don't like it, fine, but let's leave out the bible thumping, shall we? We're all adults here and we should be capable of respecting each others life paths.
posted September 26, 2000 10:55 AM
MAMA WITCH'S husband here:
I'd like to say that I don't give a rat's butt what religion you all are, but I have a question for all the Bible thumpers.
Exactly how does GOD take care of you (especially you Jewell)? Does he get up and go to work and then bring home the check, no!
Well, maybe he inspires us to get up and go to work. Hmmm, still MY body. Before you say no, yes it is, because it was a "gift", and I didn't sign any agreement to the contrary or have prior knowledge or choice!
Anyways, I am at work taking customer calls, not god, so how is he taking care of me. If I quit and my boy is hungry, is it a guarantee that GOD is going to feed him...NO. We haven't won that lottery yet either...
Living is about personal choice and involves PERSONAL resonsibility. God isn't going to do everything for you, not even a lot of stuff, it is up to each person to provide and work. Even the 'ol black book says so!
If my wife is okay doing phone sex, so be it. Sure there's "better" jobs and "better" jobs with less money and long hours. I would rather she do this than leave baby with some weirdo child molesting daycare where all the kids are sick (ill) and make your kids sick.
It'll be nice to have everything paid off and to move somewhere where schools have less weapons and less idiots are driving. We could also afford to pay our student loans and finish school. All of this takes money and can't be done if you work 60hrs a week for "just enough" or less.
quote:Originally posted by Thomas L.: MAMA WITCH'S husband here:
I'd like to say that I don't give a rat's butt what religion you all are, but I have a question for all the Bible thumpers.
Exactly how does GOD take care of you (especially you Jewell)? Does he get up and go to work and then bring home the check, no!
Well, maybe he inspires us to get up and go to work. Hmmm, still MY body. Before you say no, yes it is, because it was a "gift", and I didn't sign any agreement to the contrary or have prior knowledge or choice!
Anyways, I am at work taking customer calls, not god, so how is he taking care of me. If I quit and my boy is hungry, is it a guarantee that GOD is going to feed him...NO. We haven't won that lottery yet either...
Living is about personal choice and involves PERSONAL resonsibility. God isn't going to do everything for you, not even a lot of stuff, it is up to each person to provide and work. Even the 'ol black book says so!
If my wife is okay doing phone sex, so be it. Sure there's "better" jobs and "better" jobs with less money and long hours. I would rather she do this than leave baby with some weirdo child molesting daycare where all the kids are sick (ill) and make your kids sick.
It'll be nice to have everything paid off and to move somewhere where schools have less weapons and less idiots are driving. We could also afford to pay our student loans and finish school. All of this takes money and can't be done if you work 60hrs a week for "just enough" or less.
Idealism sure, WITH REALISM!!
Of course God is not going to get up and go to work for me. I believe in my heart that the reason my husband and I both have jobs is that God provided them for us. We have a roof over our heads, food in our stomachs, and clothes on our backs because God has given us the wisdom to use our resources, provided by Him, wisely. How specifically, has He provided for me and my family? Five years ago, I had no plans to be a stay-at-home-mom. We had two incomes, and we could have bought a much bigger house with a considerably larger income. However, if we had done that, we would not have been able to afford for me to resign from my job and take a significant pay cut to work at home. God knew what our needs would be before we did and provided. We also had incurred a great deal of debt before my husband and I became Christians. We saw the error of our ways, and got a five-year debt consolidation loan. We paid on it for about 2 years and have not carried a balance on our credit cards at all. Earlier this year, we inherited a sum of money which completely paid off that debt. We have 2 paid off vehicles and one car payment. All of these things have made it possible for me to be at home, with my children, where I belong. Does this mean that my family and other Christian families never have hard times? No. James 1:2-8 "Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops preseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking in anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does." If the Lord is not providing for you, have you asked Him, with a sincere heart, to enter your life and provide for your needs? The point is, the Lord has absolutely provided for me. I believe with all of my heart that my Lord will always be there for me, I simply have to seek His will and ask for Him to fulfill my needs. (needs, not necessarily wants) One more testimony to the Lord's faithfulness. I became a Christian before my husband. I prayed that he would decide to follow Jesus before we had children. We tried for several months and did not conceive. One week before Easter, my husband prayed to receive Jesus. Easter Sunday, he was baptised. Two days later, we discovered that I was expecting our first child. The issue of phone sex is so controversial because it is morally wrong. Any type of sex outside of a marriage is wrong. It is also wrong to let your kids go hungry. There are many other opportunities out there. I know that I have found one! From the bottom of my heart, I wish for the best for all people out there trying to raise families and make ends meet, and I offer up prayers for all the needs I see posted here. I know the Lord hears me, and I hope you will open your heart to Him.
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
[This message has been edited by Jewel (edited September 26, 2000).]
posted September 26, 2000 04:38 PM
So, basically he gave you the same wisdom he gave ALL humans (barring SOME exceptions), and the free will for YOU to decide to USE such wisdom. Basically your argument is saying if you don't use something, you don't have it.
GOD gave you the choice to do what you want, he even says in the bible that is why we have evil; because EVERYBODY has free will for better or WORSE.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like YOU chose to do the right thing using the free will and common sense he gave people of all religions.
I don't see anything so wrong with this phone sex PROVIDED that the purpose is just AND that it is JUST a job and there's no lusting for the clients (coveting). Exactly which commandment would that break, those two conditions being true?
posted September 26, 2000 05:46 PM
O my! Hmm..well, I must say that my hubby and I are not financially "well off", but I really think what's missing here is morals. Anything that sells sex is horribly disgusting and immoral. I would flip hamburgers before I would cheapen my relationship with my husband as well as God for money. Would you want your children to prostitute or be a phone sex worker? I think not. Be strong and find another way.
quote:Originally posted by Thomas L: So, basically he gave you the same wisdom he gave ALL humans (barring SOME exceptions), and the free will for YOU to decide to USE such wisdom. Basically your argument is saying if you don't use something, you don't have it.
GOD gave you the choice to do what you want, he even says in the bible that is why we have evil; because EVERYBODY has free will for better or WORSE.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like YOU chose to do the right thing using the free will and common sense he gave people of all religions.
I don't see anything so wrong with this phone sex PROVIDED that the purpose is just AND that it is JUST a job and there's no lusting for the clients (coveting). Exactly which commandment would that break, those two conditions being true?
Exodus 20:12 You shall not commit adultery. (the 7th commandment) - Adultery can be physical or mental, and includes any sex outside of marriage. Matthew 22:34-37 - Jesus is asked by the Pharisees what it the greatest commandment of all. v37-40 Jesus replied:"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Romans 14:13 "...make up your minds not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way" Romans 14:21 "It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall." In Dueteronomy 23:17-18, God strictly forbids prostitution. Let's suppose for a minute that selling sexual services over the phone is not prostitution. And, although I believe it's adultery on the part of the phone sex operator, I'll set that issue aside. The person making the call is most certainly entertaining lustful thoughts and deriving some sort of sexual stimulation based upon the service being provided. Hence, the caller is guilty of adultery. Even if the "actress" is not guilty of adultery, she is indeed guilty of putting a stumbling block in the path of another human being. We are commanded to love our neighbors. Placing stumbling blocks in their paths shows quite the opposite. Failure to use something doesn't mean you don't have it, it means you are not using it. Yes, we have free will, and I'm certainly not arguing that point. The evil in the world is indeed due to the fact that many people do not choose the "narrow gate" which leads to eternal life in Heaven through Jesus Christ our Lord. I exercise my free will in my choice to seek the Lord's will. And, call me what you will (Bible thumper, etc.) I rejoice in knowing Jesus as my Savior and in knowing that there is a place for me in Heaven, just as there is a place for anyone who chooses the path of righteousness.
------------------ "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6
posted September 27, 2000 02:51 AM
I must say that I agree with one of the previous posters -- oh about 30 posts or so ago, that referred to this being a situation of making decisions that are morally responsible and that being against "phone sex" is not a judgement against others. Is it no longer okay to state that something is right or wrong? I believe that our basic foundations were derived from the beliefs of what was right and good. I would think that we all would agree that we have certain norms and moral expectations in our society. These are our "checks and balances" in life; otherwise, our society would rage out of control. So often, people speak of free choice and personal responsibility as a means to say it is okay to do or engage in any activity as long as it is necessary to meet their needs. If this were true, there would be no boundaries as we all could define reasons we needed to engage in immoral and irresponsible behaviors. Who could "judge" that?
Okay, I hear the next response -- so who is going to feed my children? You are and you can in ways that do not involve actions that may be very painful to you and your children later on. After my divorce, I was a single Mom and very young and deathly afraid of the path ahead -- but I was so determined to make it that I would have asked or begged for help or food if I had needed to do so, but I found I was able to do it on my own. Now I didn't make the kind of money you all are talking about and I am sure I didn't have the extra cash that you all are talking about either, but I do have my self respect and pride and know that I made morally responsible choices as my child's mother. Just take a hard look at yourselves and make sure you aren't using your children as excuses to make some "fast" money in ways that cannot be positive in their precious lives.
A free society does provide us with an environment that allows choice but it becomes a broken society when we use choice as an excuse to engage in activity that may not be responsible. When you provide a service that creates situations where a person may engage in unsafe or negative behaviors, you play a role in creating that event. Just as a drug dealer has an indirect responsibility for those who buy his product and then engage in illegal, immoral, etc. behaviors because of it. Yes, they have free will, but you are a participant in it. The argument that this is a legal occupation is true; however, I am quite sure that many phone actors violate FCC regulations in the course of fulfilling their duties. Now wouldn't that be a nice thing to have -- a criminal record to pass along to your children as their birthright. Your legacy become theirs.
posted September 27, 2000 03:36 PM
Mamaheh3, of course that would make me a participant in phone sex, of course we could all justify everything we wanted to do. There are boundries and this issue does not go outside mine.
posted September 27, 2000 08:09 PM
Wow! What a hot subject! Don't you feel lucky you live in America? To each his own. Your character is what you're doing when no one else is looking.
posted September 28, 2000 01:35 AM
Thank you, Thomas. I must admit, I had to exercise my brain to respond to your posts! People who challenge our beliefs help us to grow.
quote:Originally posted by Thomas L.: Jewel, you make some valid points and I do respect your views.
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