posted June 29, 2004 10:55 AM
I agree with Jewel and other posters..this is immoral and wrong. I do not believe it is an appropriate job for anyone..wahm or otherwise. I also believe it is not judging to say that something is wrong. The Bible is very black and white. It says what God expects of us, right? While we may feel this is wrong and the Bible may say so, judging would be us reading where your heart lies, which we cannot do, and saying you will go to hell. Only God can judge, we can only do as much as we can to help each other in the right direction. I am so sorry that some of you are in a position where this is the best way to pay the bils. That is heartbreaking. I think there are appropriate and inappropriate jobs for wahms, yes, and I do believe this sort of job would be considered cheating...at least by MY husband!!!
posted July 05, 2004 08:04 PM
I really dont see anything wrong with being a phone actress, just as long as you do everything in your power not to do it when your child or children around, and that you have 100% of your hubbys support on it.. I had a friend who did it, and she makes more money then any at home job does. and best of all she is not risking her hubbys hard earn money, on something that may or may not work, she can do it when she wants to
I'm new to the wahm bulletin board and I've enjoyed cruising the WAHM website. I think the creators and moderators of wahm.com are doing a GREAT JOB of promoting, educating, advertising and networking for MOMS and Women in general.
This morning I started with Wahm's Undercover and it led me to the "phone sex" article and then to this bulletin board.
It's been an eye opener reading all the replies to this posting. Varied to say the least.
I dunno Cheryl...I think you opened a can of worms bringing up this topic to discuss.
wahm.com is a website that's created by women, for women, to help, to support, to network and promote women.
This topic may weaken the link between women - when there should only be support and good thoughts between women.
posted July 06, 2004 01:18 PM
From a newcomber to the wahm board,
I really enjoyed reading Jilli's reply to "Phone Sex".
Jillie, I think your philosophy about life and living is open-minded and flexible! (We all need flexibility to live in the 2000's)
Your heart is in the right place and I think you child is lucky to have you for a mom! If you have time to chat, drop me an email...I would enjoy corresponding with you!
Hey everyone! Lighten up...life is too short to be unhappy.
posted July 06, 2004 01:28 PM
This is a tough subject. My first thought was NO this would not be a good work at home career and we shouldn't be promoting sex and violence in anyway shape or form and some of these places do promote sexual violence. Then I remembered one of my favorite stories in the bible. Jesus did NOT look down on the prostitute at ALL. He accepted her and loved her just like does all of us. The golden rule is what is missing in todays world. Treat others as you want to be treated. God gave us free will and he gave us a conscience so that we know when we are making good and bad decisions. We have not walked in everyones shoes and we can't know what we would do to feed our kids if we were in those shoes. I don't go to church but I have a very strong belief in some peoples eyes this means I am not a good christian. I tend bar at a golf course on the weekends to help make ends meet, am I promoting drinking? Probably. Does this make me a bad person? In some peoples opinions Im sure it does but I don't have a problem with it anymore than the phone "actresses" have a problem with what they do. In the end I believe that it will all come down to how we treated and accepted those around us with love and understanding, just as Jesus treated the prostitute.
posted July 07, 2004 12:19 PM
Naturally, I haven't been able to read each of the replies on each of the thirteen pages that have come to be here. I've seen many different responses, lots revolving around religion. However, I think regardless of religion, mothers should have dignity. Motherhood is the most dignified profession ever. It is a profession of nurturing, and the rewards are truly otherwordly, not monetary. We must nurture our children's growth spiritually, nutritionally, intellectually,... you get the picture. Of course, to do this, we must earn a good living, that will pay us good money. However, the job that we choose should not do anything to compromise our dignity or our morals. I would much rather buy my daughter's clothes at a thrift store with money I was proud to earn than at the Gap with money I earned doing something questionable. It sickens me to think that we live in a society that is perfectly OK with making objects out of women, and that there are more than enough women out there who are willing to be objectified for a good paycheck. What are you teaching your children? And isn't teaching your children your first job, anyway? Are you telling your kid(s) that you respect their intelligence by hiding, and assuming that they know nothing about the nature of your occupation? What happens when people, such as teachers, ask your child what Mommy does for a living? Show yourself and your family some respect when choosing a means of income. Please, please consider your children. They learn much, much more from us than we think. I would hate to think of any child learning sexual deviance from mommy's backroom "job". IMO, it's much more dignified to teach your children that money and stuff is much less important than a strong sense of self, and a strong sense of self respect, not to mention intellect, high morals, and strong sprituality. Any occupation, phone sex or otherwise, that will compromise that dignity which is inherent to the vocation of motherhood, shouldn't be done. There is always another way.
posted July 07, 2004 02:26 PM
I for one have not done the Phone actress thing, but after hearing people having success at it as a job, i may just look into it.. Does that make me a bad mom cause i am thinking about it?? For me, i dont work out of the house due to hubby goes away alot on his job and i dont reallly like to have to work and then to have to fork over the majority of it to Sitters. I am currently getting my associates in Accounting, but i am trying to find stuff that i can do at home that i can earn extra money. It is really hard to find jobs that are not scams or something you get into and realize that you just dont like it. Being a phone actress is nothing to be ashamed of in my opinion (and mind you, that is my opinion and i respect others who dont agree) But you dont need to tell your child about it. I mean when you and your significant other are going to have fun (if you know what i mean) are you going to wake your child and tell them what mommy and daddy are going to do.. You dont need to tell your child every single detail of what you do or dont do. Now i have heard of people who do phone actress while their kids are in the other room during the day, and that there is wrong. But if you do it late in the nite, well past the time they go to sleep, or while they are in school, then i see no reason that you cant do it. Just cause someone chooses to do that with the support of their hubby doesnt make them less of a person or a mother, or that they must have no values.. My mom taught me so many good values, and i never drank, or smoke or had sex till i was way in my 20's and with the right person, and till this day i am still a good role model for my kids. but i was chatting with her a couple of weeks ago and i found out that she smoked pot a couple of times.., Did that make me look at her diffrent or think of her diffrently, no , she is still the loving mom that i had then, and that i have now. all in all, everyone should just respect others opinions, what you may see as wrong, others may be ok with it. Some of these posts makes it seems that some are putting down others who are into that phone actress thing
posted July 07, 2004 04:15 PM
I also have not read all the responses in these 13 pages, but have read enough to realize that it is a become quite a debate. I think that as mothers we should ask ourselves: Would I want to see my son or daughter doing the same kind of work? I believe that if we have to hide what we are doing from our spouse and/or children, we probably shouldn't be doing it. I realize that some people do believe that is their only option, and there are probably some people who enjoy it. But I agree with aubsylicious: "Any occupation, phone sex or otherwise, that will compromise that dignity which is inherent to the vocation of motherhood, shouldn't be done."
posted July 07, 2004 06:05 PM
yea this is getting to be a real debate, i wish this discussion would close, cause it is starting to upset me very much. People are just judging these woman who do this kind of work, making them feel like they have no dignatie, (sp) and no morals. It is ok for you to have your opinions and all that, but you shouldnt say OH if you do this then your less of a Mom. A Job or business does not make you a great mom, it is how you reflect yourself upon your children. If doing this is causing you to have problems, and in turn you reflect that on your children, then no you shouldnt be doing this.. But these woman are doing what they need to do to provide a good life for their kids and toward their childrens future.
posted July 13, 2004 08:01 PM
In one of the posts the writer said, "Wouldn't you rather have your 18 year old son call and masturbate to a woman's voice than have intercourse?" I don't know what really happens during these calls. Does the man who masturbates to your voice reach an orgasm while he is talking to you? Does he say that he had an orgasm? He is holding the phone and talking to you. Seems like he would be doing three things at once to me.
Does the woman taking the call let the conversation change so she is doing most of the talking as the call goes on?
If any women who do this would explain this to me I would appreciate it. If there are other places you would like to tell me where this is explained for a person is not familiar with this please provide me info.
posted July 15, 2004 12:56 AM
Well, I for one enjoy a good debate. As a mother, & phone actress, I have to say that my dignity is just fine. Phone sex is not the type of job that just anyone can do, but I am managing. When my daughter asked me what I did for a living, I told her I talked to lonely people on the phone. That's not a lie, I just don't force my children to deal with subjects that their young minds couldn't possibly comprehend.
posted July 20, 2004 02:13 PM
I love the Lord and he is number one in my household. I do bel;ieve as a Christian I have no power to judge another person. That is up to the Lord. None of us have led a picture perfect life, and we seem to forget that. Phone sex is not for me either but I would never beat someone down who is doing it. Why not offer her a better alternitave. If you are involved in a home business that is doing well and brings you a good living then let her know about it. I now worked from home and I searched for years for a business I could work from hom that was not some scam. I lost a lot of cash and I DID consider phone sex at one time. We as women need to start reaching out and pulling up our sisters instead of knocking them down. If you love the Lord stop judging and reach out. We might not be into phone sex but if we look long and hard at our lives I am sure there is something you are doing that is not pleasing to the Lord. If you are living a perfect life without sin then you have room to speak. I haven't met that person yet.
posted July 29, 2004 01:36 AM
What ever happened to just trust in the Lord and he will provide. I have struggled all my life. I am a mother of 3. Years before I was an exotic dancer. My oldest child was only 6 months at the time. I felt guilty everyday. I only did this for a very short time. I will never see the wrong in mentioning Jesus. No one is judging here, just stating opinions. Now, for all you parents out there who are so afraid of your children's needs not being met, just remember, Jesus will provide for you.
posted August 05, 2004 03:04 PM
I have to say I am amazed by some of the replies here. Sex is definitely a touchy topic. If you feel uncomfortable doing anything of a sexual nature, then by all means don't do it. However if someone else is not uncomfortable with their sexuality or playing a sexual charater and their spouses are not uncomfortable with it then, it is by no means a sin. It might even be an enjoyable job, much more than prositiuing your time to work for someone else at a job you hate just to make a small paycheck. And as for the bible, which by the way has no place in business, the bible is not clear in anything. It's comprised of stories written by MAN passed down generation from generation and finally someone wrote them down. Think about how distorted a message gets when playing telephone, so you could imagine the slants and changes in interpretations there were in passing down the stories in these gospels. And there were many gospels left out of the bible as well. Ones the CHURCH, not GOD decided they wanted left out. Still if you chose to live your life as if that is the absolute truth then more power to you, but don't accuse others of being immoral because they are comfortable enough with themselves to make their own decisions about whether or not doing anything of a sexual nature is bad or sinful.
posted August 06, 2004 02:56 PM
Well, I sure can't leave my 2 cents out.
For one, I am a Christian. I am no better than anyone else. Being a Christian means I believe in Jesus Christ and I am forgiven. It does not give me a right to judge anyone in anyway. If I do, I only bring tougher jugement upon myself.
As for the phone sex job, its only the business of the person doing the job. I can't say I have ever done the phone sex job, I can't say I have never considered it either. I can say that if you looked hard enough at my life, I am sure something could be found that those of you who choose to judge could find to be just as appauling. So grab a mirror, and be careful when you point. You may only be pointing one finger at that person, but if you look you will see three pointing back at yourself!
quote:Originally posted by reylene: What ever happened to just trust in the Lord and he will provide. I have struggled all my life. I am a mother of 3. Years before I was an exotic dancer. My oldest child was only 6 months at the time. I felt guilty everyday. I only did this for a very short time. I will never see the wrong in mentioning Jesus. No one is judging here, just stating opinions. Now, for all you parents out there who are so afraid of your children's needs not being met, just remember, Jesus will provide for you.
This topic has been active for a long time! Wow! I was one of the first ones to post on it four years ago...reading back over what I posted, I have to say I still feel the same about it. I think over the last four years I have matured, however, and will add another 2 cents worth. Whether someone chooses to agree with me or not, my views are shaped by my faith, as well as by the belief that this sort of thing is degrading to women, and harmful to families, for reasons I stated in previous posts. I, too, was one of those who stated, "Trust in the Lord; He will provide." What I have come to accept is that just preaching that will not make someone believe. In an ideal world, it would. But those are empty words to people who believe the Bible is nothing more than a bunch of stories. As a Christian, it is not for me to judge others, but it most definitely is for me to recognize something that God would not approve. God gives guidelines for us to know right from wrong. Who can fault a mother who is trying to feed her children by making money any way she can? No, I don't think it a job anyone should do, but, folks, telling a person "Trust in God" when she may not even know who God is ... well, I think of - who was it? Marie Antoinette? - who when told the peasants had no bread responded with, "Let them eat cake!" How can one trust in a God she doesn't believe in? As far as the Bible having no place in business, I disagree. I am a consultant with a company founded by a Christian - you may have heard of her. Mary Kay Ash was a Christian woman and founded her company on the principles of Faith 1st, Family 2nd, Career 3rd, and doing business by the Golden Rule (which, BTW, has its foundation in...you guessed it...the Bible). She respects people of all faiths, but everyone knows where she stood. Her faith is apparent in her books, and the group of AWESOME ladies that I meet with every Tuesday ends the every meeting with prayer. I believe our businesses are stronger because we keep our priorities - Faith, Family, Career - in that order. I know not everyone will agree with that - that's fine! One final point - it is important that those of us who are Christians do something that I am not always good at - in sharing what we believe and why, we need to do so with a gentle and loving spirit. I have endeavored to do so!
------------------ Trust in the LORD with all your heart; lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6
posted August 06, 2004 09:12 PM
Jewel, I have to say that I respect your reply, even though I may not agree. Christian or not we all need to remember when sharing our thoughts and opinions to do so with a gentle heart. It's very easy to get passionate and lose sight of that sometimes. So I apologize if I offended anyone myself.
I was raised catholic, and just had my little girl baptised this month. I believe in God, however it's the church I have most of my reservations with. While I do have faith in God, I don't agree with some of the rules the church imposes. I think that you can still be a very moral and spiritual person without trying to literally abide by the bible. I feel that even if you don't believe in God you can still be a very moral and spiritual person. I feel that the bible is a man made creation and so the stories in it I take with a metaphorical meaning. They are someone's perspective of what happened .(ie. Gospel according to Mark, Luke, John, etc)and as we know stories get exaggerated over time. We have no idea what actually happened back then and to say the bible is literally God's word I feel is inaccurate. I do feel that the stories within have a good moral to be taken from them though. God is in my heart, so I do what my heart tells me. No one will always agree with someone 100% of the time about everything and so I feel the same goes with religion. There is a lot I take from it, but there's also the parts that I don't agree with. God gave me the ability to be an independent thinker and to make choices for myself and so I do just that. I am a moral person who knows right from wrong, sometimes that's different from what my priest might say. Still, I know that God will accept me when my time comes because I lived a good, moral life the best way I saw possible.
I should ammend my statement about the bible having no place in business. While I think it's great that Mary Kay founded her business on the principles that she believes in, I don't think the bible is necessary to establish a moral and successful business or to make a sound business decision.
posted August 08, 2004 08:37 PM
A wahm should only do things that she and her family can be proud of. If you can't tell hubby's Mom with pride...don't do it. If you can't announce it at church...don't do it. Money is great, and necessary. I am broke and here talking to you...I don't have to be. But here I am, knowing you store up your gifts in Heaven, not here on Earth.
posted August 19, 2004 10:22 PM
Hi i am a phone sex operator and i am making decent money if you would like information about the company i work for id be more than happy to share it with you just contact me.
quote:Originally posted by margo29: I do not see anything wrong with phone sex. You are on the phone talking to someone, you are not having sex with the caller, and your children does not have to know what you are doing. I have been trying to find something like that to make extra money also. I am a single mother of one and it would be nice to do something like this at night while my son is asleep. The best thing about phone sex is, you will never have to meet that person.
posted August 19, 2004 10:25 PM
HI I ACTUALLY ENDED UP HERE THROUGH A SEARCH I AM TRYING TO FIND A SITE THAT FEATURES WOMEN WHO WORK AS PSO"S I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND GET ADVICE ON A GOOD COMPANY TO WORK FOR WHERE I KNOW I WILL GET PAID FOR MY TIME AND EFFORT PLEASE RESPOND IF YOU GET THIS.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: I am a single mother and not by choice. My daughters father recently decided to pick up and leave me with a 7 month old baby and a bunch of bills. I currently work at a hospital part-time (night-shift) but I am finding it hard to find a reliable babysitter, plus I'm not to crazy about putting my daughter with a babysitter because I fear she would be neglected and at this age she wouldn't be able to tell me if she was. So I started looking into jobs that I can do at home and not have to invest any money into. The first job I found over the internet was as a psychic, well that didn't work out. I worked lots of hours and was told I would make $9.00-11.00 hr, but I only made $6.00. Then I was told I had to maintain an average of 15min per call or my phones would stop ringing, well they did. So I went back on my quest for work at home jobs and found "Adult Phone Actress". This job is not for everyone but it works well for me. I have a back room that is in the far end of my apartment and I do it at night(12am-3am)when my daughter is sleep. Some people would probably disagree with me and say I could do something else but I say "I dont have to leave my daughter with a sitter, The pay is good, It's safe, and It's legal. Now when my daughter is older, the cicumstances will change but for right now it works and it pays the bills
posted August 28, 2004 10:36 PM
I was just waiting for my 60 seconds to be up so I could post, now I forgot the other question I was going to answer. LOL. I need to go to bed. Here's my two cents on the issue. First of all I am a single wahm and for me, any kind of sex job would be off limits because it makes me think about something that I am not supposed to be doing. If I were married and my husband didn't mind and I could do it to where my kids wouldn't find out, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would research other options first, of course.
posted September 06, 2004 09:29 PM
I have worked on varios "adult chatlines" for the past 6 years, it started as needing the money after a very bad patch in my life and the patch carried on. Did I enjoy it? NO, At times I couldn't even distinguih between me and my character, after all being generally the same height and having the same interests, it was hard just to stay focused on the goal...to make money. All I can say is that having done the work at home and in an office environment, at home was much better, as least, I didn't have my ignorant boss screeching down my ear every night, sat on an uncomfortable chair for 12 hours and having to ask for permission to use the bathroom, well it may seem immoral to many of you, I just would like to say what I say to myself every time I log on to take a call, No one is being hurt here, they only want to talk and who knows it might just pre-empt a rape or child assault, because believe me I've spoken to men that would turn your blood to ice, just to hear what they want to do is chilling.
As for anyone interested in this line of work, there are good companies, especially in the UK (where I live) that have to follow ICSTIS guidelines, this is a massive list of rules and regulations, that all operators must follow, it is basically a list of things that are illegal and immoral or just plain nasty, that you wouldn't want to talk about anyway!
As for the morality of God in the job, I always thought that you held God in your heart, and as long as you are following your own ethical guidelines, and the basis of your religion ( I myself, follow none!) Then how can you displease God?
With regard to spouses, I would suggest contacting a company first and finding out for sure what they expect fromo you, THEN discuss this with your partner/spouse, explain your reasons for and let them express any doubts, be open and honest about it, don't try to dress it up, but also if you don't know the answer, tell them that too!
Most of all with regard to this job, remember why you are doing it, not for sex or a thrill but to make money for you and your family.
P.S. One thing the comopanies that you approach may not tell you is about abusive callers, you are expected to take a lot of these people, and attempt to defuse the situation, make sure you understand when and why it may be appropriate to hang up.
posted September 11, 2004 06:37 AM
To all those who believe phone sex is like prostitution...by your logic, are movie actors who pretend to have sex in their movies prostitutes, too??
posted September 16, 2004 02:29 PM
What I think if you are doing this phone "acting" ie. phone sex? If you are asking us and doing it, you are already feeling guilty about it. I pray that you all who are doing this for $, that other doors of opportunities will open for you so you don't have to resort to this perversion. Jan
posted September 17, 2004 03:18 PM
I'd like more info from those of you who do phone actress work. I'm looking to get started. I'm more interested in dispatch than trolling. Please email me at [email protected]
posted September 22, 2004 11:06 PM
Wow!!! I can't believe this went on for 4 years. After reading the first 20 posts or whatever, I went straight to the end of the thread to see if *Jewel* was still participating in it. When I read her first post, I was dumbfounded. I guess being raised in Utah with all the LDS folk as I was, I thought honestly thought they were the only religious extremists. Now that I am in a more diverse city (Seattle) I am starting to realize that there are extremists in all of the country and different religions. All I have to say is Jewel, no need to pray for me, seeing as how you're taking it on to pray for everyone that you see is not in as pretty a place in life as you are, and you remind me of that religious lady in Donnie Darko. Do you actually talk like that in real life? Are you like from Alabama or something? I don't get it, I would never walk around putting my beliefs in other people's faces. There are people that don't believe in God and I promise, they are going to be O.K. You don't have to pray for them or feel sorry for them or whatever. Just worry about yourself and how you have to look at other people's faults to make your own disappear.
Peace out!
Oh and if you're going to reply, there's no need to quote verses. I really don't have anything to refer to. Thanks!
posted September 22, 2004 11:09 PM
On second thought, that last post of mine is actually intended for anyone who uses God or Christ or Pray in their posts.
You guys wouldn't want me to start telling you to listen to my favorite singer...Mike Patton would you? I don't think so...
posted October 01, 2004 08:43 PM
OMG I cannot believe this thread is still active lol. Heres the bottom line ladies, if you feel that taking a job as a phone sex operator is not something you would feel right doing, then simply don't do it. Those of us who may have chosen that route do not need to be preached to or need to be saved.My spirituality and my conscience are in check.Thank you for your concern.
posted October 04, 2004 03:24 AM
I myself am a single mother who has been a PSO for three years as of today. I have served at PTA president for my son's school, V. President of PTA"s for a very large city, team mom and so forth with many knowing what I do. I had very very few judge me. I am by no means ashamed of what I do.
Sex/masturbation is a normal part of life. Talking to someone on the phone about sex is not illegal rather you are paid for it or not.
My child who is now 12 loves having me home. I only wish I would have found what I do earlier in his life where I could have been home more with him. I don't do my job around my son, and when people ask him or myself what I do my reply to those who I do not know well enough is either internet sales or phone counseling.
I pay my bills, I do not and have not had to receive welfare assistance, because what I do provides a good life for both me and my son. I can travel and I do so many times throughout the year and can work while traveling if I choose to do so.
I don't agree with every caller's fantasy and I do work for a company if it is something I dont' feel comfortable talking about I don't have to take the call.
No one but the Good Lord has the right to judge me or anyone for that matter. Yes I attend church. I believe in God. But I also have bills to pay and I am there for my son when he needs me. And as far as right or wrong, I dont' feel any of you that have said it is wrong have the right to say what is right and what is wrong. Just like I don't have the right to say what you do is right or wrong.
I always find it funny that those who claim to be very religious are the ones usually judging, and you should be the ones that know you are sinning when you judge someone, and I am sure by no means have you lived a perfect life. Some of you should yourself do you watch movies or soaps with sex scenes, do your read books that have sex scenes in them, is that actor or writer a wrong person? Well if he is then let him and God deal with it.
Sorry for the long message but I had to share my two cents to all of those who think they are so much better than me because of my profession. When there are lawyers who defend guilty criminals everyday, putting murders, rapist and more back on the stree and all I am doing is talking to someone on the phone about his fantasy or who is lonely.
Hats off to those who are Phone actresses, and to those who do not judge us that do choose this career. Single Mommy
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posted October 06, 2004 02:11 AM
I just had to put my two cents in here there are many very different replies to the original question in regards to is PSO work ethical! Let me start by saying I did PSO work for 3 months and not only is it luctrative but I know for a fact that it supports many single and married parents! Further more PSO....Phone Sex Operators are NOT having phone sex! MISLED if you think so! It is a home based business like any other they have quotas and deadlines, advertising and supervisors! Folks lets face it SEX SELLS and well its not like we are going to get rid of sex in ALL its forms EVER so obviously someone has to work the industry! IT is NOT cheating that is the most bizarre thing I have ever heard! (Sorry, but it truly is) These women work hard (some make VERY GOOD cash) It is ACTING nothing more! At the present time I have a home based business that is centered around sex chat however I am not on the phone it was the actual talking sex that got at me. (IT was not for me but it is for many a very easy and profitable career) I make very good money and in no way am I cheating in anyone, I am open with those around me about what I do and it is not something I let my children know about....BUT that is because at this point they are too young to understand what I do and what it allows me to do as a parent in terms of supporting the household! (which I do all by myself) To them mommy works at home and can be with me when I need her and as long as I am not doing anything ILLEGAL then what does it matter what I do really!
posted October 06, 2004 06:13 PM
I have only read the first and last pages of this message board simply because i think i was shocked at how simple minded some people can be. especially the ones claiming to be christians. i myself am catholic though i will be the first to admit i'm not at all religious. however i do know that christians are supposed to show love, understanding, and sympathy to everyone. it is not your place to judge anyone other than yourself. and as for the thoughts that some of you have about this field being damaging to the children of these women you are very wrong. i am 18 years old and my mother has been in this business for as long as i can remember. now of course i never learned what she really did until a few years ago, but trust me when i tell you that there is nothing wrong with it. i myself would never be able to it, but in all honesty i respect my mother for what she did and the sacrifice she made in order to make sure i would have food on the table and a roof over my head. i would much rather these businesses be around for single mothers because it gives them the opportunity to provide for their children without never being there during the most critical years of their lives. so i guess my point is that these women dont deserve to be critisized and judged but instead respected for the things that they do for their families that they love.
posted October 07, 2004 02:02 PM
Simply, I think this question can only be answered by the individual Mom, her partner, and her own God to decide. It isn't up to anyone else to judge, point fingers at, or talk down to her for her choice as long as she handles her job responsibly and loves and provides for her family. No, I don't think children should know about the career. I don't consider it "lying". There are many things we protect our children from. We each have to make our own decisions about our own lives and shouldn't condemn others for the ones they make.
quote:Originally posted by ALCandleGal: Simply, I think this question can only be answered by the individual Mom, her partner, and her own God to decide. It isn't up to anyone else to judge, point fingers at, or talk down to her for her choice as long as she handles her job responsibly and loves and provides for her family. No, I don't think children should know about the career. I don't consider it "lying". There are many things we protect our children from. We each have to make our own decisions about our own lives and shouldn't condemn others for the ones they make.
Well.... I gotta tell ya. After reading a few of the responses to several ladies' posts who have opted to support themselves and their children by "performing" on adult phone lines. I'm thinking maybe some therapy is in order. Not for the innovative, gutsy women who have taken the proverbial bull by the horns rather than have their children go without. I salute you...every last one of you! Good for you! Is phone sex a sin? Gimme a break! In my opinion, a sin is when you're barely able to put food on the table for your family, and you refuse to take advantage of a money-making opportunity because you have deep seated issues re: sex. Get some help. Maybe a professional therapist will be able to get to the bottom of those fears you have when it comes to Phone Sex. Do they stem from trust issues with your spouse? Maybe you aren't comfortable with your self-image ie: are you overweight? If we're going to thump the Bible, and scream, "Sinner!" as we point our fingers at women who are phone actresses, we better make certain that we're damned near perfect ourselves. The last time I checked, none of us are. Holier-Than-Thou-Mommys and Evil-Doomed-To-Hell-Mommys....we're all imperfect. Trust me.
I understand it isn't for everyone. But let's get real here! Here's my take: #1- It's safe. #2- You're at home w/ your children. #3- You don't need to spend money on gas because you don't commute. #4- You make your own hours. #5- You can give up that spot in the Welfare line to someone less industrious than yourself. #6- If your husband/partner has a problem w/ it, maybe he should get a better paying job. #7- It breeds independence. Nothing wrong with that. #8- If God has a problem with it...He needs to take a number.
P.S. If any ladies out there are interested in getting their feet wet (so to speak). Let me know. I've been supporting myself and my son for 4 years now by entertaining (phone sex and live cam) gentlemen who can't seem to find sexual fulfillment at home. Feel free to email me at the following address: [email protected]
posted October 25, 2004 09:08 AM
You gotta hand it to the mom who had nerve enough to actually tell us that she is a phone-sex actress.
I should know better than to open up the next can of worms, but to her defense, I cannot imagine that anyone would jump on this girl's neck and then have the very nerve to tell her that it goes against all that the Bible says...blah blah blah...hello, good morning, I thought that the Lord said that we are supposed to be taking care of the least of us. GOod morning, I was brought up in the church, am the first born child of a minister and his wife, my mother, who happens to be GOd's secretary.
I don't want to get off on a religious rant here but COME ON...judge NOT lest ye be judged! Don't sit there and have it in you that you would make this woman who has many other means to make a living, but for the sake of being able to stay home with her kid is doing this.
SHe's not sleeping with anyone. Unfortunately there is no one there anymore so that she might be considered as cheating on her spouse.
I get irritated to no end when Christians will sit there and point fingers without remembering the VERY FIRST THING THAT WE ARE ALL CALLED UPON TO DO AND THAT IS LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY..which equates to being able to love without judging another person.
Lemme guess...you also stand on the street corner praying loudly for all to see, too, huh?
In my opinion that is what you did here...no better than the Pharisees.
And YES my mother knows that I write for the site that I do..
Indeed I DO eat with this same mouth
...and no I do not care what you think of me. In fact, it doesn't matter what you think of that single-mother-but-not-by-choice. Jesus walked amoung the least of us so that we would all know that love is universal, that all are worthy of it and of His. For you to tell this poor woman that she could easily find something else to do is to make sure that she understands that the God whom you speak to others is One Who will not welcome this girl with the same pair of loving arms as He does those homeless people that churches nowadays are more interested in feeding that teaching to feed themselves. I have been homeless, I have been the very example of a prodigal, so I stand where I stand and do so firmly. The Lord put that child into that single mother's care, and that mother must now provide for her kid. Simple. Plain. Easy.
She isn't out on the street prosituting herself.
She is simply feeding her kid.
If you were in the same situation, and if you were doing something that the rest of "decent' society thought was wrong, you would feel like it was no one's business.
And as far as addictions go, it could be worse. It could be crack.
I know all about crack, wanna go there , too?
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posted October 25, 2004 09:10 AM
You gotta hand it to the mom who had nerve enough to actually tell us that she is a phone-sex actress.
I should know better than to open up the next can of worms, but to her defense, I cannot imagine that anyone would jump on this girl's neck and then have the very nerve to tell her that it goes against all that the Bible says...blah blah blah...hello, good morning, I thought that the Lord said that we are supposed to be taking care of the least of us. GOod morning, I was brought up in the church, am the first born child of a minister and his wife, my mother, who happens to be GOd's secretary.
I don't want to get off on a religious rant here but COME ON...judge NOT lest ye be judged! Don't sit there and have it in you that you would make this woman who has many other means to make a living, but for the sake of being able to stay home with her kid is doing this.
SHe's not sleeping with anyone. Unfortunately there is no one there anymore so that she might be considered as cheating on her spouse.
I get irritated to no end when Christians will sit there and point fingers without remembering the VERY FIRST THING THAT WE ARE ALL CALLED UPON TO DO AND THAT IS LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY..which equates to being able to love without judging another person.
Lemme guess...you also stand on the street corner praying loudly for all to see, too, huh?
In my opinion that is what you did here...no better than the Pharisees.
And YES my mother knows that I write for the site that I do..
Indeed I DO eat with this same mouth
...and no I do not care what you think of me. In fact, it doesn't matter what you think of that single-mother-but-not-by-choice. Jesus walked amoung the least of us so that we would all know that love is universal, that all are worthy of it and of His. For you to tell this poor woman that she could easily find something else to do is to make sure that she understands that the God whom you speak to others is One Who will not welcome this girl with the same pair of loving arms as He does those homeless people that churches nowadays are more interested in feeding that teaching to feed themselves. I have been homeless, I have been the very example of a prodigal, so I stand where I stand and do so firmly. The Lord put that child into that single mother's care, and that mother must now provide for her kid. Simple. Plain. Easy.
She isn't out on the street prosituting herself.
She is simply feeding her kid.
If you were in the same situation, and if you were doing something that the rest of "decent' society thought was wrong, you would feel like it was no one's business.
And as far as addictions go, it could be worse. It could be crack.
I know all about crack, wanna go there , too?
Hey, mom with the kid who just lost her dad...
My hat is off to ya. You're doing something legal, are safe in your home and away from harm. Your daughter is there and you are home with her. Though I wouldn't choose to do the same job, it is commendable that you do what you are capable of.
God bless you
Roxanne Cottell AKA-Aunty Mapuana
------------------ Aunty Mapuana is the creator and author of "The Observations of a demented housewife",located in the Reading Room at maliciousbitch.com
posted October 25, 2004 11:11 PM
I honestly believe that if men are stupid enough to call a 900 line to talk about sex, then why shouldn't a WAHM take advantage of it? I worked for a 900 service for about a year and alot of the guys who called only wanted to talk about things like "How was your day? This is how mine was.....". They are not all creeps or pervs, although I ran into my share of those. I do not agree with meeting guys off the service...I know girls who did that, girls that had the guys sending them money, jewelry, etc and they got into serious trouble. As far as cheating, I don't think that it is. As long as you remember that this is a job and that's it, talking to these guys is nothing more than chatting with a coworker at the office.
quote:Originally posted by wahmcheryl: Are there jobs a work-at-home mom just shouldn't do? If a WAHM is getting paid for phone sex while the kids are in school, is she harming anyone? Is she cheating on her husband?
What do you think?
This is a matter of opinion. Everyone has their own opinion. Why are we getting all over each other for their particular opinion, no matter if you think it is wrong. Everyone is still entitled to their opinion. This is getting ridiculous.
posted October 28, 2004 02:56 AM
Saying Phone Sex is not a form of prostitution is like saying Bill Clinton wasn't having sex in the oval office! As long as the topic is up for conversation then lets call an Ace and Ace.
As far as judging goes, I leave that up to God. But I wouldn't want to be you when your husband finds out (assuming he's in the dark about what's going on). Surely you don't think that he would approve? Either way, lieing is NEVER right. I suggest you 'hang up the phone' and go hug your baby and your husband and pray for forgiveness and move on to something you can be proud of. God Bless.
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posted October 31, 2004 01:33 AM
I really personally think that a job is a job and just that and we do what we must and those that want to judge and say "you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that" should take a nice long look in the mirror and tell that to themselves because no one is perfect. People shouldn't try and force their opinions,beliefs and morals down other peoples throats! We're all grown adults here - our mommies and daddies don't tell us what to do anymore! lol
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posted June 29, 2004 10:55 AM
