posted July 29, 2002 07:02 PM
If you have a parents orientated website and put a pic of your kids on it, a sicko can get your name, phone and address and find them-easy. Or even without their pictures, some pedo could decide to have a sneak peek. There are dangers everywhere and in every profession.
I think if one is aware of the dangers, and an adult then they can make an informed decision.
quote:Originally posted by seena: Can I just remind you ladies who are interested in phone sex work to look in places OTHER than the internet, too? Local or larger newspapers, even local radio ads, small ads on supermarket notice boards etc etc. I have used all these methods myself when advertising for staff. As a respectable honest employer I have learnt that I have to be a bit "coy" in my advertising and will word my ads in a local community newspaper under the classification "Part-time work" something like "Talk and get paid! Looking for work at home? If you're over 18, talkative with a pleasant voice and an open mind, contact me now. No selling, no set-up fee, no scams. ring xxxxxxx" or "Ladies! Telephone work at home for mature minded people; no start-up cost. Good per-minute rate, work as much or as little as you want. No outgoing calls. For more details call ...." I would imagine you have the same sort of ads in the States in your newpapers as we have in Australia and the UK. As in any sort of job where you are providing a service, it will take time to build up your skills and your client base. The ladies I have working for me who earn AUS$40-50 per hour are paid $1 per minute talk time, they get an average hold time of over 15 minutes per call. Most of them who get such a good rate of pay have been working for me for a considerable period of time and they have a core of regular callers who know when they will be logged on, and who call them almost exclusively. Most of them also do not log on for more than about 20 hours per week. My homeworkers start on a rate of 60c per minute talk time for a trial period of 4 weeks; they need to have an average hold time of minimum three minutes in order to remain in employment. I also employ ladies by the hour in the offices to do phone sex; they are paid $11 - $14 per hour with paid breaks, coffee, tea etc provided and Union representation. As McPaige says - get out there and look! Look everywhere! NOTHING but nothing falls into people's laps of its own accord. Sometimes I think I have been incredibly lucky getting to travel all over the world at my company's expense, to stay in the company directors luxury villa for free, etc etc BUT then my friends say to me "Seena, you work incredibly hard, you have good ideas, you are trustworthy and you are nice to have around. Is it surprising you've been successful?" If that description of me is true - then no, it's not surprising. I have worked hard to get here and I still work hard! I just didn't know I was quite so nice ... But you see my point I am sure - search, enquire, question. I am sure there ARE good companies to work for out there in the States, but they don't "blow their own trumpet" given the sort of work it is. Perhaps you ought to "watch this space" for further information ...
posted August 03, 2002 08:13 AM
please can you tell me how to get started in the sex chatline set up please my Email is [email protected] i would be very greatful
posted August 13, 2002 02:23 PM
Here's my take on this. If you are comfortable doing this type of work, go ahead. BUT, it is of utmost importance that your spouse/S.O. is aware of what you're doing. No one can tell any couple how to define the rules of their relationship, and if you and your partner are okay with one or both of you doing this stuff, it's nobody else's business. However, if you are deceitful, then you're treading on a very slippery slope. If your partner is uncomfortable with it, don't do it. If your children are old enough to figure out what you're doing (most kids are smarter than we think), you better be prepared for an interesting and (hopefully) edifying conversation with them. If you're not, don't do it. Frankly, I don't think I could do it because of the comedy factor!
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posted August 13, 2002 04:24 PM
I know I couldn't do this because I would laugh all the time and I don't think guys like that!
The post that said this type of work puts your whole family in danger is a little out of line I think. Sickos are everywhere, by being outside in public everyday, I am putting my family in danger. Anyone can follow you home. No place is safe.
I am sure that some of these women don't want to do this, they don't consider it a dream job, but I don't think they should be made to feel guilty for doing what they do. It wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need for it.
posted August 14, 2002 12:39 AM
I think that this forum is one where we should feel free to give our opinions. A question was asked and answered by Jewel. The fact that she gave an answer that seemed to be unpopular to a lot of you doesn't mean that her opinion should not be respected. When 9/11 occurred noone had a problem with people calling on their God (whoever that may be) or going to church to pray or acting in any manner that would be considered religious or spiritual. But when we ask someone to evaluate our behavior and we get an answer that relates to God--and we don't like that answer, we get huffy. That is not fair. The fact is, if you are comfortable with what you are doing, so be it. But you have to be mature enough to accept an opposing opinion without taking offense. Sorry, I didn't mean to preach.
Mel
quote:Originally posted by wahmcheryl: Are there jobs a work-at-home mom just shouldn't do? If a WAHM is getting paid for phone sex while the kids are in school, is she harming anyone? Is she cheating on her husband?
posted August 14, 2002 01:14 PM
Mel, I mostly agree with your last point. If you ask the question, be prepared for all answers. I personally don't think a WAHM board is a good place for breathing wrath-of-God or any other type of fire, but I choose not to be offended when I see it. All of us feel strongly about something, and it can be hard not to accept that these opinions are not appreciated by everybody. This is a great topic. If nothing else, it certainly shows how diverse we WAHMS are, and yet we still do our best to support and cheer each other on.
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posted August 14, 2002 11:53 PM
Jewel, doesn't God help those who help themselves? She's just trying to make a little something to survive. And if any husband gets upset with her or anyone doing this, for him to get a higher paying job or two jobs if he doesn't want her doing this. What makes us think our hubby's don't talk dirty to someone at work or goes to a girly bar. What do you guys think?
posted August 17, 2002 06:35 AM
“I'm a Christian, so you can guess how I feel about this issue. I wont' go on about that.”
Actually, the “Christian” stance taken so far on these boards is a bit confusing, you wonder if Christians read their bible. Thomas pain covered the “morality” of the bible in the age of reason, lets take a look at “moral” acts Christians believe in assuming they take the bible as a literal truth.
Of course, the question still occurs…”which bible?” since over the centuries literally thousands of different versions have been used, however, for purposes here the bible of Thomas pains era will suffice, if not, a king James version, will also demonstrate the “morality” of god, although it is not my intention currently to go into the king James version, or any of the hundreds of other bible versions other than the version Thomas Paine knew by heart.
The lack of Christians reading the bible is understandable, since it is a big book with few illustrations, so I will summarize a few quotes from the age of reason concerning the Christian god as the “source of all morality.”
By the way, in "letters from the earth" Mark Twain has Satan comment on the sheer amazing gall to of Christians to call the god which has commanded so many evils, “the source of all morality.” It is also an excellent read, written with classic twain wit, well worth your money.
It is also an esteemed member of the banned book club, banned by Christians because it had ideas critical of Christianity, among other religions. Because most religions great ability to respond to insightful questions and reasoned debate is censorship and logical fallacy, it is not surprising this book was banned. That last statement is an I statement, not an A statement, by the way.
Back to Thomas Paine, and his amazing work, “the age of reason.”
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
First here is an online link to this work, but since it has been my experience most Christians do not read their bible, I will post a brief, but not in any way comprehensive of “moral” acts commanded by “the source of all morality” to use a Christian euphemism, as commented on by Thomas Paine in quotes, with my writing unquoted.
A brief list of moral acts for Christians.
1.) Indiscriminate revenge.
“When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hand of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so, the commandments carrying no internal evidence of divinity with them. They contain some good moral precepts such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver or a legislator could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention. [NOTE: It is, however, necessary to except the declamation which says that God 'visits the sins of the fathers upon the children'. This is contrary to every principle of moral justice. -- Author.]”
Thomas comments on this concept later.
“If I owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and pay it for me. But if I have committed a crime, every circumstance of the case is changed. Moral justice cannot take the innocent for the guilty even if the innocent would offer itself. To suppose justice to do this, is to destroy the principle of its existence, which is the thing itself. It is then no longer justice. It is indiscriminate revenge.”
While “the age of reason” part one goes into greater detail, the most appealing for my purpose come from part two, which was written in rebuttal to the many responses he received from Christian theists on the main while imprisoned by the French.
One funny statement, which I must use here.
“IT has often been said that any thing may be proved from the Bible; but before any thing can be admitted as proved by Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of any thing.
It has been the practice of all Christian commentators on the Bible, and of all Christian priests and preachers, to impose the Bible on the world as a mass of truth, and as the word of God; they have disputed and wrangled, and have anathematized each other about the supposeable meaning of particular parts and passages therein; one has said and insisted that such a passage meant such a thing, another that it meant directly the contrary, and a third, that it meant neither one nor the other, but something different from both; and this they have called understanding the Bible.
It has happened, that all the answers that I have seen to the former part of 'The Age of Reason' have been written by priests: and these pious men, like their predecessors, contend and wrangle, and understand the Bible; each understands it differently, but each understands it best; and they have agreed in nothing but in telling their readers that Thomas Paine understands it not.”
Christian morals continued. 2.) either lies or hypocrisy (or both) are moral
“But granting the grammatical right, that Moses might speak of himself in the third person, because any man might speak of himself in that manner, it cannot be admitted as a fact in those books, that it is Moses who speaks, without rendering Moses truly ridiculous and absurd: — for example, Numbers xii. 3: "Now the man Moses was very MEEK, above all the men which were on the face of the earth." If Moses said this of himself, instead of being the meekest of men, he was one of the most vain and arrogant coxcombs; and the advocates for those books may now take which side they please, for both sides are against them: if Moses was not the author, the books are without authority; and if he was the author, the author is without credit, because to boast of meekness is the reverse of meekness, and is a lie in sentiment.
In Deuteronomy, the style and manner of writing marks more evidently than in the former books that Moses is not the writer. The manner here used is dramatical; the writer opens the subject by a short introductory discourse, and then introduces Moses as in the act of speaking, and when he has made Moses finish his harrangue, he (the writer) resumes his own part, and speaks till he brings Moses forward again, and at last closes the scene with an account of the death, funeral, and character of Moses. This interchange of speakers occurs four times in this book: from the first verse of the first chapter, to the end of the fifth verse, it is the writer who speaks; he then introduces Moses as in the act of making his harrangue, and this continues to the end of the 40th verse of the fourth chapter; here the writer drops Moses, and speaks historically of what was done in consequence of what Moses, when living, is supposed to have said, and which the writer has dramatically rehearsed. The writer opens the subject again in the first verse of the fifth chapter, though it is only by saying that Moses called the people of Israel together; he then introduces Moses as before, and continues him as in the act of speaking, to the end of the 26th chapter. He does the same thing at the beginning of the 27th chapter; and continues Moses as in the act of speaking, to the end of the 28th chapter. At the 29th chapter the writer speaks again through the whole of the first verse, and the first line of the second verse, where he introduces Moses for the last time, and continues him as in the act of speaking, to the end of the 33d chapter. The writer having now finished the rehearsal on the part of Moses, comes forward, and speaks through the whole of the last chapter: he begins by telling the reader, that Moses went up to the top of Pisgah, that he saw from thence the land which (the writer says) had been promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; that he, Moses, died there in the land of Moab, that he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, but that no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day, that is unto the time in which the writer lived who wrote the book of Deuteronomy. The writer then tells us, that Moses was one hundred and ten years of age when he died — that his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated; and he concludes by saying, that there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom, says this anonymous writer, the Lord knew face to face. Having thus shewn, as far as grammatical evidence implies, that Moses was not the writer of those books, I will, after making a few observations on the inconsistencies of the writer of the book of Deuteronomy, proceed to shew, from the historical and chronological evidence contained in those books, that Moses was not, because he could not be, the writer of them; and consequently, that there is no authority for believing that the inhuman and horrid butcheries of men, women, and children, told of in those books, were done, as those books say they were, at the command of God. It is a duty incumbent on every true deist, that he vindicates the moral justice of God against the calumnies of the Bible. The writer of the book of Deuteronomy, whoever he was, for it is an anonymous work, is obscure, and also contradictory with himself in the account he has given of Moses.”
3.) It is okay to kill stubborn children. {Note: forget about exposing your kids to porn acting, what about exposing their minds to the moral horrors of Christianity?”}
“There are also many things given as laws of Moses in this book, that are not to be found in any of the other books; among which is that inhuman and brutal law, xxi. 18, 19, 20, 21, which authorizes parents, the father and the mother, to bring their own children to have them stoned to death for what it pleased them to call stubbornness. “
More on the character of Moses {Heston was fantastic however..Don’t you think?}
“Besides, the character of Moses, as stated in the Bible, is the most horrid that can be imagined. If those accounts be true, he was the wretch that first began and carried on wars on the score or on the pretence of religion; and under that mask, or that infatuation, committed the most unexampled atrocities that are to be found in the history of any nation. Of which I will state only one instance:”
If those accounts be true .
4.) Rape is moral. Infanticide is moral. Murder of non-virginal women is moral. Keeping virginal captives for your own desires is moral.
When the Jewish army returned from one of their plundering and murdering excursions, the account goes on as follows (Numbers xxxi. 13): "And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp; and Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle; and Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive?" behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women- children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for Yourselves." Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers, one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner: let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion. After this detestable order, follows an account of the plunder taken, and the manner of dividing it; and here it is that the profanenegs of priestly hypocrisy increases the catalogue of crimes. Verse 37, "And the Lord's tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen; and the beeves were thirty and six thousand, of which the Lord's tribute was threescore and twelve; and the asses were thirty thousand, of which the Lord's tribute was threescore and one; and the persons were sixteen thousand, of which the Lord's tribute was thirty and two." In short, the matters contained in this chapter, as well as in many other parts of the Bible, are too horrid for humanity to read, or for decency to hear; for it appears, from the 35th verse of this chapter, that the number of women-children consigned to debauchery by the order of Moses was thirty-two thousand. People in general know not what wickedness there is in this pretended word of God. Brought up in habits of superstition, they take it for granted that the Bible is true, and that it is good; they permit themselves not to doubt of it, and they carry the ideas they form of the benevolence of the Almighty to the book which they have been taught to believe was written by his authority. Good heavens! It is quite another thing, it is a book of lies, wickedness, and blasphemy; for what can be greater blasphemy, than to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty!”
It is more than possible to go one, indeed the bible in its entirety could be posted as an explanation as to why it is not a good moral guide, but Thomas Paine put it best, as I quoted above.
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
I am now on page four, and ill wind it up. Speaking as a man who has hired both the services of a prostitute and the services of a phone sex actress, I can honestly say that there is nothing sillier than saying phone sex IS essentially prostitution.
As for the moral arguments posted here, I have not really been impressed, I understand that most of the posting is just venting or expressions of emotion, but really, if you are to make an ethical judgement the reason should at least minimally be engaged.
I can post more related to the topic, and I probably will, but the Christian bible thumping moralizing had to be pointed out for what it was, since it was brought in on a tangent to the question posed.
Yes indeed, I can honestly say to the poster I quoted at the very first, I do not have to guess what you believe in, I have read your moral code. It sickens me on a deep level.
This will anger some theists here I am sure, however I ask you to remember something pointed out earlier, by an insightful poster.
“All of us feel strongly about something, and it can be hard not to accept that these opinions are not appreciated by everybody.”
So if you respond, remember three things. 1.) It is all about the premises baby! 2.) Logic is your friend. 3.) Censorship is not your friend.
On a more personal note, this is my first WHAM post, And it is safe to say I am not a mother. However I am interested in working from home, and I have considered actually doing phone acting myself as a male before, but the weirdness factor freaked me out. Also there is the consideration of how to do it successfully enough to make good money in it, since I think you have to have at least some kind of non-personal revulsion at doing it to be good at it.
I do not think I am that good an actor, not even for the fantastic pay per minute for doing nothing other than talking on the phone. On the other hand, could I really make 900 a week? Acting is a learnable skill…
quote:Originally posted by Abril99: Jewel, doesn't God help those who help themselves? She's just trying to make a little something to survive. And if any husband gets upset with her or anyone doing this, for him to get a higher paying job or two jobs if he doesn't want her doing this. What makes us think our hubby's don't talk dirty to someone at work or goes to a girly bar. What do you guys think?
Lily
I haven't been on this thread in quite a while, but seeing that there were many new posts, I thought I'd stop by. I've already said pretty much all I can about this topic, but so I won't add much. First, very simply, God does provide opportunities and expects us to take them. In order to receive His help, we must be seeking it. In my heart, I don't believe that God would lead anyone into an opportunity that is contrary to the commands He gives us.
The second part of your post could be a whole new thread. I can't understand the thinking that supposedly all men cheat on their wives. (IMO, "talking dirty" and going to "girly bars" crosses the line.) Perhaps some men cheat because society expects it of them? I can say with utter confidence that my husband is completely faithful to me. I trust him without qualification. This is a vent, peeve, not meant for anyone in particular, but I think it is awful how, in our society, it is acceptable, even funny, to portray men as incompetent, insensitive buffoons, and to expect only the worst behavior from them. There are indeed a few bad apples, but I know many good ones - hard-working, faithful, wonderful fathers. OK, I'm off the soapbox.
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posted August 18, 2002 05:12 PM
Phone sex.... It is not something I feel that I would be able to do. However who knows if things got that bad, I may have to one day. Hope not, but never say never. If it is paying your bills and your children are not being harmed in anyway by your phone sex then so be it. Cheating... Well I know I discuss all I do with my fiance' so if he approved then it would not be cheating. But if you were hiding from your husband to do this I would say you should come clean with him and let him know how you bought groceries this week We all are different and have different beliefs and I believe that as long as you are doing phone sex as a strictly professional job and not a " oh I cant wait until their in bed so I can have phone sex" addiction then go for it.
posted August 18, 2002 09:39 PM
I haven't really taken the time to read EVERY post in this thread, but I thought that someone brought up an interesting point earlier on and I wanted to reiterate. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here.
All the morality and religious discussion aside, someone pointed out that they are not LEGALLY allowed to say certain nasty words, and references to parts of the anatomy. And you also can't even say the word SEX. And that technically these women are "phone actors." So I'm wondering if these women on here who call them "prostitues" are aware that maybe these jobs aren't as shady as they seem? Of course, Im naive so I don't really know WHAT goes on with those things, but I agree with those that have said that we do not have the right to judge others without being in their shoes. That is up to God, certainly not us. And I'm sure these women didn't dream to be a phone "actor" ever since they were a little girl. I'm sure it's something that fills a financial need at the moment.
There before the grace of God go I... I think you are lucky if you've never been in that position to have to even make that choice.
And you people who are so quick to judge- didn't you ever see "Trading Places?" Seriously, though, it did make a social statement about the lengths to which we need to go sometimes to survive... and how our circumstances can desperately alter our perceptions about life.
If it meant my child was going to starve, I can't say that I would NEVER do this.. but it would definitely NOT be my first choice. I certainly wouldn't be too good at it because I, like a few others out there who have posted- could probably not keep a straight face!
posted August 27, 2002 07:33 AM
If a woman is taking care of her family, keeping a roof over her head, food/clothing for herself and children, and it happens to be with phone acting. I don't think we need to cast stones. There are people in what are "acceptable" jobs, that are really liars and cheats, and I don't think God would approve of their dishonesty. I think if a woman is willing to do what it takes for her family, and accept any job that keeps the home intact should be applauded, not chastised. We cannot ever put ourselves in anothers shoes unless we've worn them...can we?
posted September 08, 2002 04:09 PM
The Points of view expressed here are all interesting. The question of whether ir not phone acting is a *proper* job for a married woman or mother, however, is not for everyone to answer for everyone else. Only YOU can answer that question for yourself. (Please keep in mind, the opinions expressed hereafter are mine alone. Whether you agree or no, I thank you for any feedback, etc.)
Granted, advice is welcome and opinions free, but some tend to be a bit heavy handed when handing out these things. Granted as well those opinions expressed come from convictions bone-deep. I have looked into this avenue of income and plan to go forward with the work as soon as I can arrange a phone(mine was lost due to lack of income, go figure). If you care to join me please send me an email at [email protected] I do not yet know if this will work for me, but I am, shall I say, a "liberated thinker". I have no problems with moral questions, as I am certain any divine being would not wish my children to starve or for my family to be homeless. Nor do I have relationship questions. The man in my life is not doing a thing to earn money. Whatever I chose to do to support my children (and his, we have one son together) is what I chose to do. If he doesnt want me to do it, then he should find work so I dont feel pressured. Nor do I worry about my children finding out what I'm doing. My oldest is 9 his sister is 8 their brother is 4 and my baby is 1. They are incredibly sharp, inquisitive little people. (And, yes, they are really PEOPLE, not beings from beyond this realm too fragile to grasp basic concepts of living. When I tell them *We cant afford it* they know I want to get whatever it is for them, I just have prior obligations for our money) The 8 and 9 year old have already asked the *where do babies come from * question and been answered. The four year old is not interested. If they want to know Mommy's job I will tell them *I work on the phone*. If they want specifics, I will tell them *I talk to people about what they want*. It's very simple, and theres no need to be ashamed of doing your duty no matter what you believe or disbelieve and providing for your family. Are there really women out there who think their children will condemn them for keeping them fed? Do you really think if your child finds out you are fulfilling fantasies on the phone they will be ashamed of you? Or damaged beyond repair, emotionally or otherwise? What about the damage done by malnutrition? Ever had your lights turned off? Ever gone without a phone with a houseful of children in school? Ever had to take cold baths and showers because your gas was off?
I have. I find it far more traumatic than finding out Mommy talks to strangers for money.
I love my kids enough to do whatever I can to provide for them. I love them too much to stand on morals and *god* as reasons why Mommy ddn't take that job. Pardon me but screw all that. If my kids need, I will DO ANYTHING for them. My pride be damned.
If God put food on my table. I wouldnt worry. If He paid my bills, groovy. But he doesnt. He leaves such mundanities as that to those of us mortal enough to be poor and parents at the same time.
Forgive me if I've upset anyone. I am new to your list and it gives me great hope in my search for at-home work. Perhaps I'll find something in the clerical/data entry field so I dont have to become a phone actor. In the meantime, that job is hiring NOW. Good luck in all your ventures.
posted September 09, 2002 07:45 AM
Its a tough judgement call. For me personally I think its one step away from cheating or prostitution. I look at it this way if my husband was having phone sex with another women then I would consider it cheating. If the person was a single parent I guess my worry would be the child being hurt by it. I think there are much better ways to make money without losing your dignity.
posted September 09, 2002 09:14 AM
After reading all of the previous posts, I told myself...... "Do not reply! You will get caught up in the self-righteous bull#*(@ that is being thrown around." But lo and behold, I feel I have to do it. I have to reply. I have read some posts that were from people who claim to be "above" degrading themselves to earn a living to taking care of their loved ones. I have read posts that are from single mothers (and maybe some that aren't single.... but it doesn't matter) who are just trying to do whatever they can to stay afloat and pay the bills while still being able to care for their children in the best manner they can. But what I haven't read is anyone trying to be the best "Christian" they can and trying to help those who they feel are degrading themselves and going against what God teaches. Personally, I don't feel ANYONE has the right to judge what anyone does. You may have the right to your opinion, but that does NOT give you the right to belittle others because your beliefs are not the same. And for those who are posting trying to defend your choice of employment, I wouldn't even bother. The people you are trying to convince are too close-minded and hypocritical that it's not worth your time and emotional energy to bother. You have enough on your "emotional" plate just trying to survive. I wish all of you the best in doing whatever it takes to stay home and be the kind of mother you want your children to have. They are the most precious pieces of our lives and the most important.
posted September 09, 2002 06:31 PM
I personally would not do this. Not just because I am a Christian but because I have to have a job that I can tell my daughter about. My dh has been dabbling in porn on our computer and I'm afraid the next step is to take it to a person, then what? I pray that it won't happen but what if talking to a stranger on the phone isn't enough anymore?(for a husband or wife). There are consequences to our actions. The dh or dw finds a phone/credit card bill, these calls aren't cheap I assume, kids walk in on a call, boss walks in on a call. I hope that if someone is in a bad situation financially, they find another way to pay the bills. I face the possibility of being a single mom. I have to face that and childcare is really a thorn for me. I will choose a bible based daycare or take state aid if the need be. I will not judge someone for their actions, it's not my place. I only ask that they think about what could happen not only to their family but the family of the person they are talking to on the phone.
posted September 10, 2002 10:07 AM
You're not going to like what I have to say, but I feel WAHM's are desperately underinformed so here goes:
Regarding adult site stuff, I don't think it is a good thing to get into, BUT I can't say it is any more immoral than almost every other work at home "business opportunity" that I've come across in 7 years online.
Aside from that, when I was employed full time by WebTV I was told to outright LIE to customers. Isn't THAT immoral? When I worked for another company for almost 2 years, a nice big internet company with beautiful offices and tons of employees, I had the same thing happen.
The job I had most recently, with a secret shopper company (as an editor) also encouraged me to lie, to make information up to prevent them from having to reschedule a shop.
In my first job at a movie theatre I was taught not to let under 13 yr olds into PG13 films, and kids under 17 into R rated films. That all changed when a certain Blockbuster film came to town and the manager instructed me to LET EVERYONE IN. And not to even bother asking for ID's. My first job, ladies.
How is it that I have had to do things against my morals for EVERY legitimate job I've ever held, but somehow phone sex is more immoral? I don't see it that way. Sin is sin. Lying to customers is as bad as having sex with them.
Why did I lie? Why, I need to live and eat, that's why. And I've come to believe that no one out there is honest. It's all about them getting a profit, and no one cares about you -- cushy and cozy as jobs may seem.
I have another post to make about being an Independent Contractor because I feel that 99% of stay at home workers are getting ripped off and misreated by companies who hire them as IndeCons. Did you know that a company can not train you if you're an indecon? Would you hire a plumber as a contractor then train him how to plumb? I think not.
Check out the IRS and what they have to say about it. You can not be treated like an employee if you're a contractor. Also, how many of us actually GET contracts? I've worked with 3 places as a contractor and have only ever signed an NDA (non disclosure agreement) -- NOT a contract. An NDA does not outline what you do for the company, the terms, or how much you'll be paid. DOn't think for a second that an greement is a contract. If it were a contract it would have your name and the company's signature on it and you'd both have a copy.
Contractors can not have their work dictated -- this means the company can't tell you how, when, or where to perform your work. You can't be "promoted" or accused of being "insubordinate" -- these are employer-employee terms.
I firmly believe that most WAHM's are being totally shafted and working for peanuts.
At my last "job" I was paid about 1.10 an hour when I took the time to calculate the pay, minus a third in taxes, minus self employment fee, minus Social Security.
Try it, and see how much you actually make at these MLM's and Stay At Home jobs.
They're all crooks. But this is a topic for another area.
But about phone sex -- it's not more wrong than anything else I've had to do for any job I've ever had. I'm thoroughly disgusted with employers and companies today.
Anyone read HOw Now Shall We Live? Well my question is, Where Now Shall We Work?
posted September 10, 2002 06:07 PM
I believe there are jobs that a wahm should not do. Since Jesus is love and we are to show love I have something to say and I pray that I say it in love. How does having phone sex make you feel? The words alone to me seem dirty and dark. When you keep something in your mind enough you start to think on it constantly. No matter what it is. I believe that we need to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit inside of us and trust in him. If you are born again. If we pray to God and trust in Him, He will show us something that is not immoral or that hurts our spirit or grieve the Holy Spirit in us. Lean not to your own understanding. My heavenly father has helped me through some hard times, and when the difficult times come, trust in Him and ask for His help. Seek His way and He will see you through. Yes, I believe that it is cheating.
posted September 11, 2002 10:41 AM
But the point is, have you ever had to do something immoral for a job that did not involve sex? And is that seen as somehow "OK"? I can not condemn phone sex work as immoral without also condemning the lying, cheating, stealing and greed of companies I have had to work for. After all one of the commandments is that we should not lie or steal. I don't see thou shalt not have phone sex. But we lie every day in our jobs and rationalize it as being OK when it's not.
Who here would give up a good paying job just because we are asked to lie to a customer? Who here could do it, or has done it?
There are more ways to be immoral besides just sex.
When we take the plank out of our own eyes then we can see clearly to judge others. And I can't say I would believe anyone here if they said they did a job where they did not have to lie or do something immoral. I don't think such an honest company even exists.
posted September 11, 2002 10:50 AM
and that goes for those work at home opportunities as well. Like Meleluka and all that. I had to call a number just to get information about a "business opportunity" and the lady in charge kept telling me that because of copyright laws she could not tell me the deal on Melelauka unless I sat and listend to this phone call. i know for a fact that that is an outright LIE. The whole direct selling business is based on spamming message boards, trying to get your friends to buy stuff they don't want or need (or can't afford) and being dishonest. Why would they need to hide behind a bunch of emails that tell you they can't tell you what the business is about?
This lady sent me about 3 or 4 emails before she even gave me the number. Then I called it and found it to be an Amway clone, Meleleuka. And that I'd have to SPEND money to get in on it. DISHONEST! Lies! Obfuscating!
Remember it also says in the Bible that all things done in secret will be exposed. I do not trust anyone who has to hide what they're really doing, someone who says 'NO MLM!" but then charges you money to "start up".
That's not a business, it's a scam. A SCAM! And somehow we see that as OK?
This si what the lady at Net Woman Central said to me when I asked her why i had to call a toll number and why she was hiding behind copyright lingo (which I am WELL informed about):
"We represent a company that has a copyright to its name and products...that is the reason we can't send it out in emails or put it on websites. They're a 16 year old company with an impeccable reputation, and they don't want it ruined by people spamming either.
We have thought about using an 800 number but decided it was best not to because as much as people are checking us out, we are checking them out too...and when people are willing to invest 60 cents to $1.00 checking out an organization, it shows initiative and seriousness. It weeds out the ones that are just curious and not seriously looking for a change.
The call is 12 minutes long and is a great tool we use to save us time and gives you the opportunity to hear about who we are, the company we represent, and the basics of what we do, at your convenience and without being with someone else on the phone."
I said, " I tried calling the number but it had a fast busy signal. I'll keep trying. > > Just FYI, you can't copyright a name, but you can trademark it. It's two > totally separate office."
and she replied:
"LOL. I didn't write that original email, maybe trademark is what they meant. I DO know that we aren't allowed to mention the company's name in our emails to leads. Just a precaution to protect themselves, you know. "
Protect themselves from WHAT? From customers? From people who want to join up? How in the world does a legit business need protection from publicity?
If you're working under a company that does not ALLOW you to use its name, how LEGIT is it?
And how MORAL is it?
Seriously here. We gotta stop being ignorant about this stuff.
posted September 11, 2002 10:55 AM
Oh yeah, doesn't her letter sound WEIRD? A 16 yr old company terrified of spamming? (Who is doing the spamming??) So terrified they can't put their name online? HA! I went to their website and it had their name right smack on the front. Scared, my behind!
And this garbage about initiative! If everyone who was willing to spend a dollar was considered a prime candidiate for a JOB, every employer would charge you a dollar before you have your interview! You'd send your resume in with a buck.
Paying a buck doesn't show seriousness at all. It more shows desperation, which is what these shady companies value most.
They take advantage of people who have NO OTHER CHOICES.
Spam is illegal and it steals bandwidth that someone is paying for. So if you've ever posted an ad on a board where it's not allowed or sent a mass email advertsiing your new biz opportunity, you stole from that person. you stole time and bandwidth, and unsolicited commercial email is a crime, so you're a theif and a criminal.
So please lay off the phone sexers and take a good hard look at what you're doing to swindle people, if you're involved in a company like that.
quote:Originally posted by Filian: You're not going to like what I have to say, but I feel WAHM's are desperately underinformed so here goes:
Regarding adult site stuff, I don't think it is a good thing to get into, BUT I can't say it is any more immoral than almost every other work at home "business opportunity" that I've come across in 7 years online.
Aside from that, when I was employed full time by WebTV I was told to outright LIE to customers. Isn't THAT immoral? When I worked for another company for almost 2 years, a nice big internet company with beautiful offices and tons of employees, I had the same thing happen.
The job I had most recently, with a secret shopper company (as an editor) also encouraged me to lie, to make information up to prevent them from having to reschedule a shop.
In my first job at a movie theatre I was taught not to let under 13 yr olds into PG13 films, and kids under 17 into R rated films. That all changed when a certain Blockbuster film came to town and the manager instructed me to LET EVERYONE IN. And not to even bother asking for ID's. My first job, ladies.
How is it that I have had to do things against my morals for EVERY legitimate job I've ever held, but somehow phone sex is more immoral? I don't see it that way. Sin is sin. Lying to customers is as bad as having sex with them.
Why did I lie? Why, I need to live and eat, that's why. And I've come to believe that no one out there is honest. It's all about them getting a profit, and no one cares about you -- cushy and cozy as jobs may seem.
I have another post to make about being an Independent Contractor because I feel that 99% of stay at home workers are getting ripped off and misreated by companies who hire them as IndeCons. Did you know that a company can not train you if you're an indecon? Would you hire a plumber as a contractor then train him how to plumb? I think not.
Check out the IRS and what they have to say about it. You can not be treated like an employee if you're a contractor. Also, how many of us actually GET contracts? I've worked with 3 places as a contractor and have only ever signed an NDA (non disclosure agreement) -- NOT a contract. An NDA does not outline what you do for the company, the terms, or how much you'll be paid. DOn't think for a second that an greement is a contract. If it were a contract it would have your name and the company's signature on it and you'd both have a copy.
Contractors can not have their work dictated -- this means the company can't tell you how, when, or where to perform your work. You can't be "promoted" or accused of being "insubordinate" -- these are employer-employee terms.
I firmly believe that most WAHM's are being totally shafted and working for peanuts.
At my last "job" I was paid about 1.10 an hour when I took the time to calculate the pay, minus a third in taxes, minus self employment fee, minus Social Security.
Try it, and see how much you actually make at these MLM's and Stay At Home jobs.
They're all crooks. But this is a topic for another area.
But about phone sex -- it's not more wrong than anything else I've had to do for any job I've ever had. I'm thoroughly disgusted with employers and companies today.
Anyone read HOw Now Shall We Live? Well my question is, Where Now Shall We Work?
Filian
Somewhere over the internet there is another board condeming moms that are on welfare. I wonder how many of the christians/holyer than thous feel about welfare reform?And keeping thier church pantries stocked for us low income families and single moms that are without! welfare is just as degrading as phone work so is public housing so is being intelligent and put in a situation where you have to be! like attending a class/group with others not so intelligent for pennies or a welfare to work programs that failed me and others I know personally! or standing in a factory making nothing and never seeing your kids! heck it doesn't have to be even factory work just a dead end job what with downsizing and all! and by the way my husband loves porno he loves women he has books dvds tapes he even ran up our bill up a few times so what at least I don't have to worry about AIDS another baby it even gives me ideas in the bedroom! I have yet to worry about everyone in the community whispering about the affairs or bla blah blah blah he is getting and doing what he likes in fact he loves me even more for accepting it! Men think way diffrent than we do. heck we make the world they rule it no one ever talks about what lies just around the corner of the Whitehouse what about the snobbish sweet christain woman that won't give it up the way hubby wants he too must get off and stay married be the perfect little puppy you know keeping up the joneses! honey you better believe he will getoff you cannot stop him most of the men are whispering while your upstairs praying! fancy that!I was her till I saw the light! these women are not like the girl at work (his job)! up the street! some women insist apon being Stevie Wonder they don't want to GET REAL yes honey your husband flirts, takes a second at the clerk , look he even has mirror play while driving sometimes while you are in the car!I know let's just pray on it! decons revs priest lets not talk about priest! sin is sin there is no way around it no price tag no order, sin is sin WE ALL DO IT!so the next time you are talking about that lady who needs prayer and you have not invited her to bible study or the town drunk that you just shake your head at with distrust or just idle gossip! what ever your sin is like being judgemental (a sin) may be remeber that sin is sin also remember that folk like you get really tired of lazy folk on welfare girls give good phone!!!!!!get paid feed your kids they are hearing and seeing worse depending on where you live what you watch the internet, bill boards! heck the baby sitters sometimes while you are at that GOOD job! I don't think it is cheating it's just masturbation/ear candy most of the guys that call say they are board most women have will and do IT FOR FREE! pretty kool board!!!!
posted October 25, 2002 02:09 AM
i have recently decided to persue a phone acting job i think there is nothing wrong with it it's not like your kids are in the room c'mon get real you fascists oh god this and that who are you to judge anyone there is nothing wrong with talking on the phone all of your husbands if you have any are bored with you prudes
Please do not send me hate mail calling me an ignorant prude among other things.
I have never said that being a phone actress was wrong. Quite the opposite. I support a woman's right to choose her vocation and I do not support anyone making that woman feel less of a person.
Thank you
BeckyH
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posted October 26, 2002 04:14 PM
I AM A PHONE SEX OPERATOR. NO!!!! I AM NOT PROUD OF WHAT I DO. HOWEVER, BEING A SINGLE STAY AT HOME MOM. I HAVE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW FOR A DIFFERENT MEANS OF EARNING INCOME FROM HOME WHILE BEING AT HOME FOR MY SMALL CHILD. IN THE MEANTIME .....I NEED MONEY/AN INCOME TO KEEP A ROOF OVER OUR HEAD, FOOD ON THE TABLE, HEAT/LIGHTS ETC. I AM A CHRISTIAN!! SOME MAY ARGUE WITH THAT. BUT I KNOW THAT I KNOW GOD LOVES ME. I PRAY FOR HIS FORGIVENESS AND BEG HIS MERCY. I BELIEVE GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER FOR ME. IN THE MEANWHILE I AM STILL SEARCHING FOR A DECENT JOB. I SO DESPERATELY NEED A JOB WHERE I CAN WORK FROM HOME. MY HUSBAND JUST LEFT ME FOR A YOUNGER WOMAN ALONG WITH A LOT OF DEBT. I BARELY HAVE BUS FARE TO GO HERE OR THERE AFTER TAKING CARE RENT, BILLS AND FOOD. I DO GOOD TO BE ABLE TO BUY MY SON SHOES. PLEASE!!!!!! BEFORE YOU POINT THE FINGER AND JUDGE US - GET TO KNOW US AND TRY AND OPEN YOUR MINDS TO OUR CIRCUMSTANCES. INSTEAD OF CRITIZING US IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING WORK AT HOME EMPLOYMENT PLS SHARE IT. BE A BLESSING TO SOMEONE. YOUR NEAGATIVE WORDS DONT HELP THE SITUATION. WHAT DID JESUS DO? DID HE LOOK DOWN ON OTHERS FOR THEIR SHORT COMINGS? NO, OF COURSE NOT. HE HAD COMPASSION ON THEM AND LOVED THEM REAGRDLESS.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: I really fell offended when I hear people say that "phone sex is no better than prostitution". Well lets not criticize and get the lord into this, till you've walked in my shoes. You will never understand why I do, what I do, till you've lived my life and you will never understand why a prostitute sells her body, till you lived hers. I am not saying that what I do or what a prostitute does or what you do is right, but who am I to criticize ones situation, I am not GOD and neither are you. I dont know about your Lord but my Lord is forgiving and understanding and only he knows why I do what I do.
As I sit here reading that, I realize that (if you still do what you've been doing), you are being strongly convicted by the Holy Spirit, and certainly not by anyone here. I don't think any one of us in here could say that we could live in a glass house that stones wouldn't break! But, what I am hear to say is that the Bible tells us that we, and it seems that you already know this, are to put off our old-selves. Romans 6:11-14 (NIV) says this: "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace."
Yes, you are very right in saying that our God and Lord is forgiving and understanding. However, he's also a God of correction, and he works in us to help one another. So, please don't be offended by people letting you know that our God and Lord is a God of wrath, too. He loves and accepts us just as we come to him, but then tells us and teaches us that we have to leave our old-selves behind, and follow him.
I hope you have a great day, and rest easy knowing that many of us are praying for you and others in these situations. You're stronger and more than what's in the world with Christ.
Please feel free to email me...for anything.
Jen
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posted October 26, 2002 06:02 PM
WOW! I had to sign off for a little bit...but I just really got to noticing that this thread is ELEVEN PAGES LONG! MY WORD! And, it's soooo evident to see how Satan works in this world.
Proverbs 12:15 (NIV) "The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice. And, Psalm 118:8 (NIV) "It is better to take refuge in the LORD that to trust in man."
So, here's what I'm saying now: Christians, please don't let Satan tear you down! The Lord lifts us up! Proverbs is full of such wonderful, uplifting reminders like this: Proverbs 9:7-9 (NIV) "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning."
It goes on in Proverbs 9 to tell us that (vs. 13) "The woman Folly is loud; she is undisciplined and without knowledge." Satan is at our heels trying to tell us that phone sex and other sorts of adultery and pornos are okay. Please, don't let the words of those who don't know the Lord stop you (us) from ringing out the love of Christ!!!! Let's keep praying for the men and women who feel that this is the ONLY WAY to make ends meet. We know it's not, and we know the Lord can soften and change the hardest of hearts...for he changed ours from where we used to be!
You should not accuse people of not knowing the Lord
Becca
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posted October 27, 2002 02:01 PM
Ok I've sat by and read what I could of this huge train of thought. I've seen people attack others. Those who believe in a wrathful vengful God and those who think they are being tumped by the bibles. I'm going to put my two cents in. I'm a Christian but not in the typical sense of the word. What I do believe is that to each his own. Each person will live only their own lives. You can see what others are doing and try things to make yourself better or worse but you're the only one who's going to live in your own skin. If you are going to try and do something like phone acting and can do it with a straight face then by all means do it. I've toyed with the idea myself. I have yet to figure out how to do it without tripping over my tongue :-). My husband thinks the idea is a good one to try the phone sex thing. My husband serves his country and with that we don't really make enough money other than to just make ends meet. That doesn't pay off any bills or add to savings. The only other option would be for him to get another job and what help would that be to our children. They barely see him enough as it is. If he got another job I'd be a single parent cause he'd never be home. Now both sides of this issue strike raw nerves. The only thing I can say is that you can always take a bible quote out of context and use it for your own ideas. Telling others how God will condemn them or the like isn't going to make anyone sit up and say, "Hey, you're right" A lot of these people are doing what they feel is right and well you don't really have the right to judge. I don't care what passage in the bible says you do. In the end it will only be God and the person. You won't be there to point a finger and actually you're not helping now by spouting. I can quote bible passages too but personally I use my own mind and heart to make my decisions and form my opinions. As in the fight between stay at home moms and 9-5 moms I think the one thing that people are missing is that we are all moms. We shouldn't be fighting with each other. We should be supporting each other. Fighting brings nothing but anger and hurt. If we could support each other, even if you don't agree with the person's choices or life style it would bring harmony and acceptance. Isn't that what we should be teaching our kids? To be kind even in the face of adversity? Shouldn't our children know that everyone isn't alike but that doesn't make another person bad because they aren't like you? Good luck to everyone and their choices. May your prosper and be happy in your family. :-) Kaleolani
You should not accuse people of not knowing the Lord
Becca
Hi, Becca... Ummm...I don't know how you get, out of my previous two posts, that I'm accusing people of knowing the Lord. I simply stated that "it seems you (the poster in this case) already know this". In her initial post, she stated that she knew the Lord.
Sorry if anything might have been misleading...and, the other post is meant for Christians (those who do know Christ as their personal Savior) directly.
Have a great day! Jen
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posted October 28, 2002 12:39 PM
I see all the posts about women working at home doing phone sex or whatever, but I don't see any posts about the boyfriends or husbands who call these numbers or visit these sites. You know, it takes two to tango. I don't think it is fair to blame all these women for trying to make some extra money. Would you all be saying the same things if it were reversed and men were doing it? I think sometimes we get so wrapped up in what we think a woman's place is, that we don't realize that she already knows where and what she wants to be,and no one is allowed to change her mind if she doesn't want it to be changed. I think a better question to ask is if your husband or boyfriend is calling these numbers or visiting these sites, is that considered cheating or does he have to have sex with someone else to be considered as cheating?
quote:Originally posted by ladyofthehouse: I think a better question to ask is if your husband or boyfriend is calling these numbers or visiting these sites, is that considered cheating or does he have to have sex with someone else to be considered as cheating?[/B]
Well lady to me it would have to take the actual act of having sex for my husband to be cheating on me. I don't hold any illusions on what happens when my husband is out on the ocean for 2 months at a time. He's purchased the magazines and they have a "library" in their sleeping area for the guys to use. He's called a phone line once to see what it was about and he has, as far as I know, at least one porno movie. Does it bother me? It used to but you know what I've had to look at it this way. If I am going to read a Romance novel, and lets face it ladies no one reads a romance novel cause they like the writing only, and that can get me in the mood, what makes that different that him looking at pornos or talking dirty to someone. He's a visual guy and I'm a substance girl. In my eyes the romance novel is doing the same for me. And it doesn't have to be a romance novel. How many women have watched a sappy chick flick and went home to be romantic. It's just logistics. One just happens to have become somewhat taboo. I asked him once if he likes that stuff and if he wanted me to do it. He said no. He just wants to look at it but wants me to be who I am. That's what he fell in love with. :-) Take that as you like it.
Please, don't let the words of those who don't know the Lord stop you (us) from ringing out the love of Christ!!!!
I never said you accused people of knowing the Lord just that you accused them of NOT knowing God
You can know God but still do phone acting. What people do is between them and God. The real crime comes when people put themselves between you and God.
Last time I checked, God had no problems expressing Himself
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posted October 29, 2002 09:02 AM
Hi, Becca... You're right...God has no problem expressing Himself. So, let's go straight to what he says in His Word, the Bible! That's where you'll find everything it is you need or want to know about God. It's His personal love letter to us!!
You stated that you can know God and still do phone acting. My PERSONAL opinion is yes, you can know WHO He is, and have a head knowledge. However, it doesn't mean that you'd have a heart knowledge, and have a personal relationship with Him, through His son, Jesus Christ.
The Bible does say, in reference to freedom from sin's grasp, "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Romans 6:1-2, NIV).
What that relays to me is this: once you KNOW God, with a PERSONAL relationship through His son, Jesus Christ, you WON'T WANT to do those things (like phone acting, or 'stripclub' dancing, or swearing, or lying...or anything that you USED to do) anymore, because you have Christ in you, and He doesn't represent any of those things. And, you won't make the statement (YOU is used as a general term...not specific) that it's the ONLY thing you can do to get by for now. That's not the truth. But, too many people see it that way.
We're all only human...not one of us being perfect in any way...and I'm thankful for that, because I can be me. Here's the end of it...for me anyway...because, I would love for you to email me so that we could have a personal discussion about this. I'm saved. I'm saved from the grasp of sin. And, I'm saved from spending an eternity in Hell. That doesn't mean that I WON'T sin...because I sin everyday. But, I can ask for the forgiveness of Christ, and He grants it. THEN, I try my best to not do it again. Does this make sense???
I apologize that I didn't see your NOT in the comment you had made. I certainly wasn't accusing anyone either way. But, the part of the statement you commented on, you pulled out of context. That post was meant for Christians, people who have a personal realtionship with Christ, as I stated before.
PLEASE EMAIL ME!!! I think we can have some great conversation!!!!!
Have a great day, and I certainly hope that none of this is confusing!!! Jen
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posted October 30, 2002 08:34 AM
From your point of view, this is an easy matter. But not everyone shares your religion. Christianity is a new religion. Condeming someone using religious reasons is like me condemming you for the color of your car.
From a single, narrow religious viewpoint it could be wrong. Maybe. Much depends on your religious views. From other viewpoints it is not the best thing but until God provides you with a check then do what you have to do to provide for your children.
If I were in a situation where I had to choose between phone acting which would buy coats, food and pay the heating bill plus maybe some presents or not having those things, I would do it in a heartbeat.
There are many people who not only don't see it as wrong but don't have the luxury of a net to catch them.
Personally I will never judge any mother as wrong who does this to support her family. It is better to do a job you despise than accept welfare which in many states is severely limited. That money can be used to also improve a woman's job skills which would allow her to leave it when she got a better job. Until I walk in the shoes of the woman who has to face those choices, I will support them unconditionally.
Becca
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Originally posted by Christine Wasankari: Jewel, I am in total agreement with your logic as far as not doing this type of work. Succintly put. However, you may consider suggesting a person look into themselves for their sense of spirituality...rather than yelling at them to go to church and accept Jesus. Not all have the same belief system as you and it is an affront to yell at them to do so. Consider positive suggestions rather than insisting they do it your way. This should be a discussion board where we work out ideas and support one another, not a place to argue and make any one feel as though they are less because they may not go to church or believe in one of many religions.
posted November 07, 2002 04:23 PM
Well I am not religious but I have to agree with the others that said they didn't agree with this line of work. I think it is cheating in a sense I certainly wouldn't want my husband calling a phone sex line. However, that being said everyone has the right to choose a job that is right for them. If you are single or if your husband dosen't mind then it could be okay depending on the circumstances. However, if you have to lie about what you do or hide it or if you feel in your heart that you are doing something wrong then you probably are.
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posted July 29, 2002 07:02 PM
