posted January 21, 2002 01:36 AM
Dear Sayanything,
What are your qualifications? What types of jobs are you checking into? Have you considered taking in one or two children to watch while their moms are working? How about selling Avon, Watkins, etc.? What about crafts; can you make anything? Do you have any talents, such as playing the piano? If so, perhaps you could give lessons for a fee. My sister-in-law works in a home with three elderly individuals. She can bring her children to work with her, have her family stop by for dinner, etc., and no one minds. Perhaps this is a thought for you... My sister-in-law doesn't even have a high school diploma, and she is making around $6.50 an hour doing this kind of work. She bathes the individuals, cleans their house, cooks their meals, etc., and there are others who take shifts with her so she can go home and get some rest. She works 40 hours a week and does them all in a period of 3 days because she can sleep at the house she works in after the elders are asleep.
I would like to make note to everyone as well that there are jobs out there that allow you to bring your children to work with you such as daycares, preschools, etc. Some companies (smaller ones usually with a small amount of customer relations) do not mind if you bring your children to work with you and let them play next to your desk.
To the mothers looking for assistance in developing a skill such as hair-stylist, etc., did you know that the government offers funding for schooling? Please consider these avenues before you resign yourself to believing that there is no other way. Good luck everyone.
posted January 21, 2002 03:42 PM
most people cannpt live on 6.50 a week. even where I live a single person has to make $9 working 40 hours per week to live modestly.
posted January 21, 2002 04:54 PM
Let me make a point. Companies that let you bring your kids to work with you defeats the purpose of working from home. I get what you're saying about in home care of the elderly. But it isn't working from home. Some families have one car, and the wife can not use it for her work. So She wants to work from home but with no travel. Some wahms have no money to invest in a business or in products to sell. Some wahms want little to no investment. Some wahms do not want to sell anything. Some wahms have no marketable talents. Some wahms do not want to do crafts. Some wahms don't want to recruit, or do the whole party thing. Some wahms can not get government funded schooling.
Phone sex is good money for women who fit what I described above. I don't make what the others have said. I make $30.00 per hour. I work from my own office in my house while my 2 year old sleeps. There is another way for me, it's called welfare. But I would rather work. So I'll be a sinner then if it means my daughter has me home all day to play with her! She got sick one night a few weeks back and I took the that night off cause I can! There is no bad influence on her or me. I'm the same mom as I was before, except now I pay my own bills and don't need the ex's support. Every work at home thing I tried failed, was too much start up costs, was a scam, a MLM, or some other thing I didn't like. If I had the money to go into my own business I wouldn't need to work. If praying for money and geting it was so easy then why do you work at all?
Phone sex is the alternative for me and it doesn't make me desperate! If it does, then I'm chuckling all the way to the bank with my dirty money. How you can call an independent woman who makes her own way in the world "desperate" is pretty strange. Why does it bother you so badly that some women do this work and like it? I'm sorry my work offends you. I'm sorry you look down on me like I was desperate. Im sorry that you can't tell the difference from acting and reality. Does that watching movies a little strange because they must be real too?
posted January 22, 2002 12:49 AM
Okay, first of all, I would like to state AGAIN that I did not mean to offend anyone. My opinion is just that...MY opinion. It is not yours, obviously, and your life is not mine, obviously. I do not judge you in any way. I merely stated that I would not do it. Desperate may not have been the correct word to use, but just like every one else, I am a sinner, and sometimes I make a mistake and use an incorrect word.
As far as the other moms, I realize that not everything works out for every one of us, but there are many different opportunities out there, and I was just pointing a few ideas out. As far as taking your children to work with you, I see no difference in that or being at home with them. To me, being a WAHM has only to do with my children being by my side. If I had to travel to China to do it, then I would as long as they were with me. My goal is not to be working 9-5 in an office setting while someone else raises my children. Again, that may not be everyone's opinion...it's just mine.
Please note as well that "praying and getting money" is not what I said at all. I said that, if we pray, God will take care of our "needs". This does not always come in the form of money; however, when it does come in the form of money, most often that form is a job...something we all know about. I work because the opportunity was presented to me. In my religion, we would call it a gift from God, but our gifts are not always free...sometimes we need to earn them. I worked for 16 months in a business school finishing an 18-month course early so I could have my career...Hence, the opportunity was presented to me, but I earned my success! I did not say that God would just hand over anything to us. I said He would take care of us. There is a BIG difference there.
I do not have any issues with your choice of profession as long as it is you doing it, and not me or a member of my family being involved in it. I am sorry if my beliefs offend you, but I still believe there are alternatives out there. I may not make $30 an hour, but I know that every penny I earned was earned w/o affecting someone else's life. I could not take that check to the bank knowing that I probably talked "dirty" to someone else's husband in order to collect the money. This may also offend you, but, in my opinion, that is no different than sitting on a stool in a bar whispering dirty talk into a married man's ear while his wife is at home raising the babies they made together in holy matrimony, except that you will be paid for assisting this man in the step-by-step destruction of his family over the phone line.
There is much more that could be said, but to be quite frank, I have better things to be doing with my time than discuss morality issues with you, so I will bid you farewell. I can't say it has been fun, but it has been most "enlightening".
posted January 22, 2002 12:54 AM
Dear Jewel, It seems that I have just taken a dose of the medicine I offered to you in that I have apparently created some hard feelings by stating "my" opinions towards phone sex. I apologize to you profusely, and wish you well. Take care.
posted January 30, 2002 02:19 PM
I think people are failing to look at the big picture. An issue like this is not confined to just whether working as a phone sex operator is immoral. We need to look at why we have a 900# industry in the first place, how it affects the economy, why people feel compelled to call these lines, and how it applies to us personally. We can all tout our personal moral and ethical beliefs on the subject, but the truth is, there is no right or wrong answer to this debate.
posted January 30, 2002 02:30 PM
A word on the psychic lines...
Steve Feder is an evil man. If you're a true psychic, intuit, empath, clairvoyant, etc., you do not need to work for a psychic line to earn income. You can start your own business and build a clientele. This will establish that you're a professional and have a true gift (or skill -- depending how you view this). PRN and Steve Feder (the owner of PRN) are being sued by Nancy Garen, the author of Tarot Made Easy for copyright infringement.
Yes, they do pay you money, but this is not a company you want to be associated with. I can guarantee Miss Cleo is or will be fired soon from being the spokesperson for PRN because she has cooperated with Larry McFarland (Garen's attorney) 100%. If anyone has information, they need to get in touch with Garen's attorney. Copyright infringment is a serious federal offense, and any reader who falsely signed PRN's affidavit could be in serious trouble.
quote:Originally posted by Angel: Dear Jewel, It seems that I have just taken a dose of the medicine I offered to you in that I have apparently created some hard feelings by stating "my" opinions towards phone sex. I apologize to you profusely, and wish you well. Take care.
No apology necessary. I have been a Christian for almost 6 years, not a very long time. This post started over a year ago and I think I have grown a lot in my faith since then. I was very harsh and opinionated (still am opinionated!) but I like to think that I have learned to control my tongue (or fingertips) in the last few months. So, you were absolutely right! And I am in no way offended by your comments. God bless! Jewel
posted February 03, 2002 05:08 PM
Wow! I basically came here to say my thoughts on the "Phone Actor" job.
I thought I knew exactly how I felt about this until I got here and read some of your responses.
Now I am not sure exactly how I feel!
It is not something that I personally could do. Alot of people make good points. After reading over the responses my feelings are this.....
If you are a single parent (which I am) and you could do this (within yourself you feel you can) then go for it. As a single parent the hardest thing to do is be able to spend time with your children, and still pay the bills. I know from experience just how hard and intimidating that can be.
I would worry about children hearing and copying as most children do.
I truly think this job is a personal choice. It is basically a personality job! I think you would need sort of a "split personality" someone who you are really and someone else you could pretend to be to do the job.
posted February 04, 2002 05:47 AM
Ladies, Please be careful in what you do. I have noticed something in my years. The old phrase "Apples don't fall far from the tree" is so true many times. Is what you do, something you would not mind your daughter/son doing? Chances are very high that at some point in her/his life when things are tough she/he will remember Mom and how Mom handled her problems. She/he will find out somehow what you did even if you try to keep it a secret. Just think of your daughter/son sitting there next to you doing your job, whatever it is. If that picture is OK with you then do it. If that picture is not OK then be strong for her/his sake and find something that you will be proud to tell them you did to get through the tough spots in life. 99.9% of the time secrets do not make it to the grave untold.
------------------ MaJonen [email protected] http://majonen.themomteam.com Enhancing the Lives of Those We Touch
Jewel is not passing judgement on anyone. I, too, am a Christian and is it our duty to God to spread His word.
My opinion - yes, phone sex is just as bad as physical sex, unless it is your spouse. You should respect yourself - if you don't - no one else will either. And that also goes for your children. Children are Gods's gifts to us. And we should treat them as so.
There are tons of morally acceptable things to do out there to help support your family. And if you fully trust in God, He will provide you with the knowledge to know what that is. I, for one, have searched for something that I could do so I could be able to quit working in the corporate world so I could be with my kids, but still have an income. I have prayed about it - and in God's time - he has shown it to me. If you want more details, please email me.
quote:Originally posted by BeckyH: most people cannpt live on 6.50 a week. even where I live a single person has to make $9 working 40 hours per week to live modestly.
I hear you! I live in Hawaii, and, yes, it is beautiful, but things are expensive. I think a cheap studio rents for about $500/month. Then you add the food and everything and maybe a car payment and car insurance (mandatory) there isn't much left, even at $10/hr.
posted February 12, 2002 03:39 PM
Questions to those who say the actresses are not "hurting" anyone - Those who do porn or pose for nude magazines are not "hurting" anyone either. After all they are just having their pic taken - so, this is okay or "right" too?
posted February 12, 2002 03:40 PM
Questions to those who say the actresses are not "hurting" anyone - Those who do porn or pose for nude magazines are not "hurting" anyone either. After all they are just having their pic taken. People involved in escort services are not "hurting" anyone either- so, this is okay or "right" too?
posted February 12, 2002 03:42 PM
Questions to those who say the actresses are not "hurting" anyone - Those who do porn or pose for nude magazines are not "hurting" anyone either. After all they are just having their pic taken. People involved in escort services are not "hurting" anyone either- so, this is okay or "right" too?
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: I am a single mother and not by choice. My daughters father recently decided to pick up and leave me with a 7 month old baby and a bunch of bills. I currently work at a hospital part-time (night-shift) but I am finding it hard to find a reliable babysitter, plus I'm not to crazy about putting my daughter with a babysitter because I fear she would be neglected and at this age she wouldn't be able to tell me if she was. So I started looking into jobs that I can do at home and not have to invest any money into. The first job I found over the internet was as a psychic, well that didn't work out. I worked lots of hours and was told I would make $9.00-11.00 hr, but I only made $6.00. Then I was told I had to maintain an average of 15min per call or my phones would stop ringing, well they did. So I went back on my quest for work at home jobs and found "Adult Phone Actress". This job is not for everyone but it works well for me. I have a back room that is in the far end of my apartment and I do it at night(12am-3am)when my daughter is sleep. Some people would probably disagree with me and say I could do something else but I say "I dont have to leave my daughter with a sitter, The pay is good, It's safe, and It's legal. Now when my daughter is older, the cicumstances will change but for right now it works and it pays the bills
Hello can you I have your email address for more informatio please.
quote:Originally posted by mahoes: Questions to those who say the actresses are not "hurting" anyone - Those who do porn or pose for nude magazines are not "hurting" anyone either. After all they are just having their pic taken. People involved in escort services are not "hurting" anyone either- so, this is okay or "right" too?
Yes, I think it is OK to do. Not for me perhaps... but it is not my place to decide for the world or for a specific person. Demi Moore has done nude film scenes and posed nude on the cover of "mainstream" magazines such as Vanity Fair. Today I happened to flip through a brand new Vanity Fair - WOW take a look the Calvin Klein ads - pretty racy stuff. The world is full of risque things... take a look around. It does make it ok and perfectly HEALTHY.
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: I am a single mother and not by choice. My daughters father recently decided to pick up and leave me with a 7 month old baby and a bunch of bills. I currently work at a hospital part-time (night-shift) but I am finding it hard to find a reliable babysitter, plus I'm not to crazy about putting my daughter with a babysitter because I fear she would be neglected and at this age she wouldn't be able to tell me if she was. So I started looking into jobs that I can do at home and not have to invest any money into. The first job I found over the internet was as a psychic, well that didn't work out. I worked lots of hours and was told I would make $9.00-11.00 hr, but I only made $6.00. Then I was told I had to maintain an average of 15min per call or my phones would stop ringing, well they did. So I went back on my quest for work at home jobs and found "Adult Phone Actress". This job is not for everyone but it works well for me. I have a back room that is in the far end of my apartment and I do it at night(12am-3am)when my daughter is sleep. Some people would probably disagree with me and say I could do something else but I say "I dont have to leave my daughter with a sitter, The pay is good, It's safe, and It's legal. Now when my daughter is older, the cicumstances will change but for right now it works and it pays the bills
posted March 06, 2002 08:38 PM
Are we assuming that all WAHMs are married?? For those that aren't, sometimes money is THE motivation for taking a job. If you are a single parent without a husband or partner, it is almost impossible to make ends meet unless you are independently wealthy to begin with. If, as in my situation, there is no child support coming in, it's even more difficult. If it is the only option you have in providing for your children, I have no problem with it. As for cheating, to me sex is sex, no matter what the medium. However, this is a supportive medium and we should be encouraging each other to do what's best for our kids, even if it may not be good for us sometimes. That's what parenthood is about: sometimes doing things we don't like to make sure our children are happy. If it puts a family relationship--marriage or partnership at risk--I can't see how it would be good for the kids. Did any of that make any sense?
posted March 18, 2002 10:35 AM
I don't normally get into religious debates, but I had to add here. Although God is loving and forgiving, that doesn't mean that we can live any kind of way and He just accept it. He still has a way of life that He wants His children to live.
No, we haven't walked in your shoes, but phone sex is wrong. If you were married, would you like it if you found out that your husband or your son was getting phone sex? Understand this, you are talking very explicit to a man or woman, boy or girl, on the telephone and getting them excited enough for them to ejaculate or to have an orgasim and you say it's not a form of prostitution. Any way you look at it, phone sex is a form of fornication which anybody's God (be it mine or yours unless you serve Satin) is wrong. Just like pornography is wrong. Pornography and phone sex opens up so many doors in your life that really don't need to be opened.
Would you like for your son or daughter to be in this line of work? If you can't honestly say, "Yes, I would love for my child to do this", then you know in your heart that it's wrong.
I am in no way anybody's angel. However, I do know that whatever we do as Christians, Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, etc., we're supposed to do to the glory of God, and if He doesn't get any glory out of that, then we shouldn't do it.
The bible tells us that we aren't to let our good be evil spoken of and that we are to be separate from the ways of the world. Do you believe that Jesus or Mary (if you're Catholic) would actually do this type of work? You know they wouldn't. Ask yourself why?
It's so easy to say, "My God is loving and forgiving", especially when we want to justify or defend our actions that we know really wouldn't please Him.
If your situtation is really that bad, why don't you look for a way that you will make not only you and your child proud, but your family and your God.
I too have a multitude of bills and am in desperate need of more income, but whatever my second option will be, it won't be one that I will ever be ashamed of to tell my child, my husband, my parents, friends, pastors or GOD that I am doing.
posted March 18, 2002 12:16 PM
My own opinion is that it is wrong for me. I do feel that it would be cheating on my husband because when I am thinking about someone else, I am not thinking of him. Also, I think that morally I couldn't do it because God says it is wrong...it is adultery. But, I am not going to judge other who do it or who think that its OK for them because the bible says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and I know that I am far from without sin.
posted March 18, 2002 01:17 PM
TigerBomb or any other Phone Actress reading this: Can you please email me or something and give me a contact so I can start too? I've done this before but the pay was very low for the particular company I worked for.
I simply cannot find any home job and I do not have a car and really need a job. I feel comfortable as a phone actress and I know there are companies that pay good money. Anyhow, email me or something! LOL
Originally posted by TigerBomb: Let me make a point. Companies that let you bring your kids to work with you defeats the purpose of working from home. I get what you're saying about in home care of the elderly. But it isn't working from home. Some families have one car, and the wife can not use it for her work. So She wants to work from home but with no travel. Some wahms have no money to invest in a business or in products to sell. Some wahms want little to no investment. Some wahms do not want to sell anything. Some wahms have no marketable talents. Some wahms do not want to do crafts. Some wahms don't want to recruit, or do the whole party thing. Some wahms can not get government funded schooling.
Phone sex is good money for women who fit what I described above. I don't make what the others have said. I make $30.00 per hour. I work from my own office in my house while my 2 year old sleeps. There is another way for me, it's called welfare. But I would rather work. So I'll be a sinner then if it means my daughter has me home all day to play with her! She got sick one night a few weeks back and I took the that night off cause I can! There is no bad influence on her or me. I'm the same mom as I was before, except now I pay my own bills and don't need the ex's support. Every work at home thing I tried failed, was too much start up costs, was a scam, a MLM, or some other thing I didn't like. If I had the money to go into my own business I wouldn't need to work. If praying for money and geting it was so easy then why do you work at all?
Phone sex is the alternative for me and it doesn't make me desperate! If it does, then I'm chuckling all the way to the bank with my dirty money. How you can call an independent woman who makes her own way in the world "desperate" is pretty strange. Why does it bother you so badly that some women do this work and like it? I'm sorry my work offends you. I'm sorry you look down on me like I was desperate. Im sorry that you can't tell the difference from acting and reality. Does that watching movies a little strange because they must be real too?[/QUOTE]
posted March 18, 2002 03:12 PM
I agree with some of what you said I am now a single mom to a one year old. My husband just decided to leave me because he was unhappy and totally abandoned me. I don't have a car, live in a city where one must be bilingual to get a decent job and if you do get a job here, the pay is not enough to be able to pay rent, buy food, clothes, etc.
I tried finding all kinds of WAHJ and everything I found was a scam. Time is running out for me. My rent is due and I need groceries. I have decided that I will do this phone sex thing until I can get a car and perhaps move somewhere else and get a different job.
IMO, I don't think the Phone Actress job is immoral. It's just a job just as any other job and it is all "fake". Maybe some women get into it but I would rather stick my finger in jello and make fake oohs and ahhhs.
Anyhow, I just signed up for a PSO job and am getting the contract faxed to me so I can begin immediately. At this point there is no one else paying my bills for me and this is what I have to do to take care of my daughter, no one else can do that for me and it is my responsibility. Even if I got on welfare, welfare will only pay so much. I'd still have to worry about rent and what not.
This is not for everyone. It takes someone with an open mind to do this. I think religion should be kept out of this. This is about us moms struggling to take care of our children the best way we can. ~ Sandra
quote:Originally posted by jltidwell: Are we assuming that all WAHMs are married?? For those that aren't, sometimes money is THE motivation for taking a job. If you are a single parent without a husband or partner, it is almost impossible to make ends meet unless you are independently wealthy to begin with. If, as in my situation, there is no child support coming in, it's even more difficult. If it is the only option you have in providing for your children, I have no problem with it. As for cheating, to me sex is sex, no matter what the medium. However, this is a supportive medium and we should be encouraging each other to do what's best for our kids, even if it may not be good for us sometimes. That's what parenthood is about: sometimes doing things we don't like to make sure our children are happy. If it puts a family relationship--marriage or partnership at risk--I can't see how it would be good for the kids. Did any of that make any sense?
quote:Originally posted by Sandra26: I think religion should be kept out of this.
My religion - my faith in Jesus, my citizenship in Heaven, my knowledge that I am a child of God - is who I am. To say that religion should be kept out of this discussion is absurd. I would not suggest that you keep your secular humanism out of it. It seems that non-Christians are willing to hear the opinions of everyone except a Christian. My assertion right now is that God loves each and everyone of you too much to want you to be involved in a job such as this.
------------------ Trust in the LORD with all your heart; lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6
quote:Originally posted by Jewel: My religion - my faith in Jesus, my citizenship in Heaven, my knowledge that I am a child of God - is who I am. To say that religion should be kept out of this discussion is absurd. I would not suggest that you keep your secular humanism out of it. It seems that non-Christians are willing to hear the opinions of everyone except a Christian. My assertion right now is that God loves each and everyone of you too much to want you to be involved in a job such as this.
The message you replied to was simply stated. That person said her opinion was that religion should be kept out of it. She didn't harp on it, she just said it and that was it. I think you might be taking things really too personally.
posted March 23, 2002 05:13 PM
I don't know how to quote people, so I'm just going to borrow some paraphrasing. I think no one should be offended by anyone on this post because Cheryl was asking for opinions. Just because someone is including their opinion doesn't mean that they are judging you. This type of work is very on-the-edge. People say they have to do whatever they can to take care of their children. I understand the need to care for your children, but think about the person on the other side of the phone. Who are you giving that pleasure to? I'm not saying all people that make these calls are bad, but think about the topic. Aren't people out there sick of the lack of morality in the world? Sex is supposed to be an act between two people, shared alone behind closed doors, be it your bedroom or your car, if you please. It's not supposed to be something that we have no idea if our child is supposed to stumble upon anywhere other than home. And by that, I mean accidentally catching Mom and Dad or something like that. I have a sister who is a single Mom of a boy whose father chooses to have nothing to do with him. She could have all the welfare she wants, but she chooses not to. She could have a job like this, but she chooses not to. She barely makes ends meet but she has nothing to hide from her child about what she is doing to pay the bills. And as far as religion goes, HE is trying to get HER to go to church. An 8 year old. I wish there were more children in the world like this.
Saying that this has nothing to do with religion is so untrue. I can't think of anything out there that has nothing to do with religion. Isn't that where morality came from? I think I just got my answer. If religion were more prevelant, morality would not have gone away. I know not even the "most religious" person is perfect, but we have to give it a try, don't we? I will never rant and rave about religion to anyone because I feel that it is a very private choice of life, just as sex is. Just why does it have to be so public??
I hope this made sense to someone out there. I have so many thoughts in my head about the responses to this that I couldn't keep my head clear as I was typing.
posted March 29, 2002 11:19 AM
Just something to think about....
The phone just rang, and it was a couple of guys on the other end, boy they do sound young. But they claim they are 19. Your 13 yo son wasn't home, he is staying at a friend's house. No big deal.
A month later.... Your son's friend's mother just got her phone bill... a huge charge to a 900 #. The same company that you work for, and it's the same night that your son stayed over there. OH MY GOSH! It is the exact time that you got that $2 hr call!
quote:Originally posted by cyndi51999: Just something to think about....
The phone just rang, and it was a couple of guys on the other end, boy they do sound young. But they claim they are 19. Your 13 yo son wasn't home, he is staying at a friend's house. No big deal.
A month later.... Your son's friend's mother just got her phone bill... a huge charge to a 900 #. The same company that you work for, and it's the same night that your son stayed over there. OH MY GOSH! It is the exact time that you got that $2 hr call!
Need I say more????
All 900 lines SCREEN callers to be in compliance with the law - which means we do not accept anyone under 18 or 21 depending on the laws in their jurisdiction. You would be shocked at the amount of information we collect from our callers before "conversation" takes place (some collect SS#'s, drivers license #'s, CC#'s). BTW so do private companies, small companies, big companies, and so forth. Legally if a child is underage then the parents are held responsible. Phone sex ads only appear in ADULT publications etc. Just to clear up any confusion, phone sex services are considerated adult entertainment and obey the law. In the last 5 years I have spoken to men from all over the world and yet not once did I know any of them! None of them were under age either.
posted April 03, 2002 12:33 AM
Well, unless you are educated about the business, or walked in the others moccasins, you can't pass judgement. See, this is a job. It's not about love, romance, adultery, etc. There are very lonely men with or without partners, and MANY MANY of them just are looking for someone to TALK about "life" with. I had a man call me after we timed out 3 times, as we were having a very deep conversation about morality, religion, breakdown of the family, etc. It was quite intellectual. Many calls do not even get into the world of sex. I am a happily married woman, who's husband fully supports what I do, as it allows me to make good money and enjoy being "home" for cooking, being the kind of wife and mother I enjoy. If for a moment anyone thinks it's just a thrill a minute, it's not, it takes creativity, excellent listening skills, and tons of compassion. It's almost like a 'hotline' at times, and you are a counselor. I am not holding a gun to anyone's head for them to dial up nor are any other workers to make someone buy your candles, use your phone service, attend your decoration party,ingest your vitamins. People are all responsible for their own choices. I guess I think if calling a harmless, and legal phone actress makes someone feel better, is that not better than committing adultery in a physical form, or looking for an illegal prostitute? This is a legal business, governed by the US and FCC. A&E television did a special on Sex and the Bible, and you can go to their website, read the synopsis of their findings, and purchase a video cassette of the program. The program clarified, the women Jesus tending to associate with and who he befriended, who he was drawn to, were the women all pillars of the communities? No, but those who struggled to support themselves and families in anyway they could, most were prostitutes that Jesus associated himself with. Granted it does not make prostitution legal in the United States, but there were many things going on throughout the bible dealing with sex. We could all banter back and forth, and in the end, it's judgement day we must all speak up for our own actions, not of someone else's. I don't approve of some of the marketing practices done in scam fashion, some of the MLM's, and dream weavers of money making promises. I am not going to look up a verse for each one of them, but I'm sure we could find one that applies to them. This is getting lengthy, but I have worked the corporate world of commuting, 60,000/yr job, and there's so much corrupt out there, it turns your stomach. I am happy I am able to be here when my daughter wakes up, and tuck her in at night, have dinner together and hear about her day. My work enhances my family through my presence, and the money it provides to keep food on our table. When I was in the corporate world, I was working 15 hrs a day, and when I was home, I was too exhausted and mentally burned out to notice anything, I needed noursishment, a bath, and bed, and there was no time to spend with my daughter, or husband as I had to rest for another day "making money for the family". There was no quality of life. I am fulfilling my role as wife and mother in my rural location much better working at home, yes, as a phone actress, than when I was gone all the time. Do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger feels he must be embarrassed about his roles he plays to his children? Or Maria Shriver about some of her topics she's covered in her years of journalism?It's my concern that the women with the most upset, are so because they fear the callers could be their mates. I think we must all respect that we are living in a free country, free to make choices allowed by the laws of our nation. It doesn't mean we must agree with each other, but that is part of the fabric that makes up America.
posted April 07, 2002 05:35 PM
I agree, if your job is something you wouldn't do with your children in the same room, you shouldn't be doing it. Thank you for looking out for us Moms. I did get a good laugh out it though, I hope you did to.
posted April 08, 2002 04:23 AM
There are many professions a child should not be around - from lawyers with fighting couples divorcing, to medical situations, counseling, or physical jobs like carpentry, plumbing, welding, painting, none of which is always safe for a child to be 'around'. There are craftsman, tradesmen, professional people that might not be proud of the extra push via the legal system to 'win', and not acting within the bounds of their licensure or rights and wrongs of their business, or business practices. I find it interesting that you cannot have a conscience, Carla Mae, laugh about it? It's serious, and it's nationwide - people do work under the guise of it being "legitimate", but are not forthright. We all know there are people that behave that way. I don't find the topic humorous, and I'm saddened someone would. It highlights the ills of society. Mothers dedicated to keeping their families intact should never be skoffed at, in my opinion. I applaude anyone that is able to balance career, family, faith, and daily life. My hats off to you.
posted April 12, 2002 07:43 PM
Oy this is a hot topic..as someone who has done the phone sex, and psychic lines for many yrs..I can honestly say that its a ridiculious idea to judge anyone immoral. As a matter of fact I have ladies working for me whose husbands enjoy and get turned on by them being on the phone. Its not cheating, its just talking and if you can talk you can make a serious income. Those who think its immoral or against god, thats your feeling, does that make you better than me? I would think not! I am devoted to the divine, and I was given a voice,mind, and body to do with as I please. as far as when to do it..well of course youd always want to be in a seperate room when your on any type of business call. You wouldnt want your children running through the house if you were doing inside sales, or phone sex. so the children in this situation is a moot point. Besides if you are comfortable with your own sexuality, then your children will be too..IMHO anyway
------------------ when the doors of perception are cleansed everything will appear to man as it is Infinite!
quote:Originally posted by [email protected]: well this has been an interesting topic. if anybody has info on getting started in this i loved to have it. i am a single mom working 50 hours a week and it is still impossible to make ends meet. i know i need to take a second job to pay the bills and honestly this seems like a better idea than working twenty hours more outside the home and having my teen daughter be by herself. thanks cindy
posted July 11, 2002 11:51 PM
I'm just going over some archived messages and all I can say is 'wow!'. I had no idea this one question would raise such a debate. Here's how I feel on the subject:
I have worked as a 'psychic'. I quit because they promised things they certainly couldn't follow through on. Was I a psychic? Heck no! I have woman's intuition...that's about as far as my 'psychic abilities' go. I won't go so far as to say telephone psychics are a scam, but I will say they are for entertainment purposes only. They are certainly not to be taken seriously.
I think phone sex opporators run in the same catagory. Not real. So, are you cheating on your husband? No, if you have your husband's permission, I don't think you are. Would I DO IT? No, it's not for me.
I don't think it's a glorified form of prostitution, though. Yes, you are providing a 'service', but it's not illegal, and providing that everyone is in agreement, you aren't hurting anyone.
I don't think this type of work should be done in front of kids...however, you wouldn't do phone work in front of kids anyway. At least not working for a company. If you work for yourself, you could explain to a client the noise in the background...for places like the PRN or LiveOps, they'll fire your butt for background noises!
------------------ Loving Wife to Danny Loving Mother to DJ (4) and Lynne (10 mos)
posted July 24, 2002 11:45 AM
Someone said "this is all fake" but it's not all fake, these are real people and real money you're getting to make them orgasm. And for those of you who do this while your kids are home (asleep or in the other room): For shame! Do you think they can't hear you, or have never stumbled out of bed one night to hear their mom saying some pretty nasty things to the phone? Let me ask you this, how would you feel if your husband or father were doing this (maybe for a gay hotline, I've seen ads for those)and talking men into orgasm? But, it's all fake right??? As for the comment that it is impossible for someone underage to call one of these places, you're kidding yourself. I know for a fact it can be done. Im ashamed to say it but my younger brother did just that about 6 months ago. He had a friend over and he was trying to show off and got my dad's credit card and used it. And the ads are only in adult mag's? Right! They're on Fox! I've seen them on about 2am before. In my brother's case, they just dialed a random 900#. Sodon't tell me it can't be done. But hey, don't listen to me, tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night.
posted July 24, 2002 12:57 PM
It is sad in a society today that women have to "take what they can get" in order to make ends meet sometimes.
We have had a history of having to depend on our bodies, or our looks when things get tight or when we give up hope.
I don't think that phone sex is morally right, but who am I to judge a woman for making a living?
God is the only one that can judge in my opinion. While there are many opportunities out there some of them take a long time to come your way. What do you do until then? How do you feed your children, or pay your rent, or buy food?
The choices we make come with a price and sometimes that price is not worth paying.
While I don't condone phone sex, prostitution, pornography, or anything else that uses a woman for how she looks, or what she has, I also don't like to hear about families who are homeless, or starving or even dying.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Choice is important, but so are values, morals, and how you feel about yourself.
posted July 25, 2002 12:56 AM
I'm a Christian, so you can guess how I feel about this issue. I wont' go on about that.
BUT - aside from the issue of promoting the exploitation of women as casual sex objects and the availability of such "services" to young boys, my policeman DH would have me remind you that these "customers" are SICKOS! Don't believe that you are safely hidden behind a blind phone number. If they want to track you down, they can. You are putting yourself horribly in danger. And since the original question referred to households with children, you also put your family in danger.
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