Pelosi says what????

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

You haven't proved any such thing. The only person that has even come close to that is Kamie.

As with most Obama supporters you want what you don't demonstrate.

People protested violently during the Bush administration and now Obama wants us to report our neighbors who dare exercise free speech. Hypocricy at its finest and nobody in the mainstream media says a word.

You want us to state we are wrong, you have yet to demonstrate we are and you refuse to admit you got trapped in another DNC false trail. You can't expect what you aren't giving.

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by simplesahm

"The right wing extremists' use of things like devil horns on pictures of our elected officials, hanging members of Congress in effigy, breathlessly questioning the President's citizenship and the use of Nazi SS symbols and the like just shows how outside of the mainstream the Republican Party and their allies are."
(from Jnmurra's post...)

Seriously? I am not sure if I should laugh or cry....

....because we never saw any images of GW hanging in effigy...wearing devil horns....portrayed as a monkey...wearing a KKK uniform....and so on...and so on.....

How soon we forget....

That is the hypocricy that stinks. The ACORN protests are deemed patriotic and "real" when we know they are paid for and well organized by people with an agenda to press forward.

Citizens come forward because they don't want this bill and are villified. So when you protest what the liberal media supports you are patriotic, when you protest what normal people truly believe in like not having the government seize control of our healthcare it must be a plot by organized hateful people. I'm sure the people who were terrorrizing CEO's were loving and throughtful citizens who truly had the best interests of this country at heart.

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

I am willing to bet this bill will pass. This is a different time than the Bill Clinton health care reform.
I wonder what you will say if you find that your private health care didn't get taken away. Or that seniors were not advised to end their life early. You will do what you always do when you find that you are wrong. Nothing.
Every time some one proves that you are wrong the thread just waste away to the next page never to heard from again. No apologies, no one says oops, I was wrong. You just stop posting in that folder.
I won't let this folder stay buried for too long. When this bill passes and has had some time in the real world I will bring it up again. I wonder what excuse you will have then.

As far as not understanding the bill, it is clear that some of you don't either. At least I understand the part that I am discussing. Some of you are way off the mark on it.
Sorry for those of you who have gotten obsessed with Maddow and Acorn. You should see some one for that. Really!

You are the obssessed one. Do you think you are immune from the parts you don't read???

It is your attitude that has people up in arms. You are ignorant about why people are angry but ready to insult them out of your ignorance. That about sums up most of the supporters for the bill. They don't know what is in it but those of us who are against it must just be hate mongers to oppose it. What we are opposing you don't know because you haven't taken the time to educate yourself.

However, we should all trust Congress who will not be subject to the bill. They've done such a fine job with the recovery program so far. I can't imagine why people aren't lined up to turn more freedoms over to goverment management.

[CammiB]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

I am talking about your take on the end of life, private health care being taken away.
I see they have not taken your guns away.

Obama with his own mouth has said that is what he wants Rhonda. And maybe I would see things a little differently IF I believed for a second he cared about the American people. But unlike you, I believe Obama has one ultimate goal - to seize power. And I think he will achieve that goal by whatever means.

[Bailey4]

People don't want to discuss government health care rationing who support the bill because it is "uncomfortable." However rationing is at the heart of this bill. There is only a finate amount of money to spend on health care. When that runs out we move to rationing. Rationing creates an incredibly ugly ethically dark power base. Who lives, who dies. That will be in the hands of our government.

If you read the history of Progressives in the Democratic party they don't have an issue with this. There is tons of writing on the topic stated openly and honestly. The early progressives were at least honest in what they presented on the topic. Now we are being openly lied to about it.

There is no way to provide the kind of programs they are talking about without rationing. So who do you trust to be on this board deciding who lives, who dies? Who is worthy of a doctor and who not? The government is low on my list of people I want making those choices.

However, people keep wanting to tip toe around this issue when discussing this bill. There is no way around it. Grandma has to go. Don't hold out much hope for the weak and the sick of any age either. Think this is outrageous than look at the bill, read the history of the people running these programs and ask yourselves why you trust them.