Pelosi says what????

[rhondaklewis]

Originally Posted by MrsCyrcus

You're missing the point and listening to daddy to much!! THEY don't have a right to tell us (those who have insurance anyway) what we can or cannot keep.

My father is a republican.

[kamie3535]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

My father is a republican.

Is his name McCain?

[kamie3535]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

Will you please get it right at some point. I understand the parts of the bill that I have been talking about. I haven't even mentioned what I did not understand about the bill. You the one acting the fool. Purposely not understanding to make an invalid point. You do it so well and often.

So you understand part of what you are talking about, but other parts not so much?

Did I come close this time?

The parts you spew, you are sure about, the parts you dodge and weave around, not some much?


So when we tell you there is an end of life RATION for seniors, cause we can read ENGLISH, and political speak, you either

a don't care
b are oblivious
c think they live to long and should take the pill and screw the treatment, and be glad they got the pill.

Oh that must have been part of the bill, you don't understand. YES?

I

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

You are way off base on this one. The buses had nothing to do with your state reps but the republicans that are sponsoring these shout them out groups. And as far as Rachel Maddow goes, she is not new to me. I have been watching her since day one. Yes, she usually does go back and do more research on certain topics which she may think need more attention or maybe she got the facts wrong. She is not a liar that you try and make her out to be. But that's you.

It is hard to see your idols fall isn't it? Sorry but she blew this story and as hard as it is to admit there are REAL AMERICAN protesting health care changes. They aren't all practiced like ACORN rallies or DNC parties but in fact that actually has the feel of an "authentic" group of people coming together.

I know that these news stations rarely get out to see real people at local town town and city meetings but this is how REAL people act when they are at these things. I've been involved with local politics for 20+ years and while I've never seen an ACORN rally I have seen nothing in any of these Town Hall meetings that has been unusual for a local event. Good Lord they should see what happens when we debate school fees. If Spector was scared by those people he should start attending school board meetings. He needs to learn from local politicians how to handle the public.

It's a nice fantasy to think the RNC has the power to motivate people to show up to these rallies. They lack the control, the originization, and the ability to motivate. I realize with the control of ACORN it is hard for the DNC not to picture everything through the ACORN rally perception but really where are all these RNC strong holds?

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by simplesahm

Anxiously awaiting Rhonda's response to the following questions...posed before she wondered what questions she's been asked to answer.

1). How can a community organizer, who ran for President on his experience as a community organizer, then complain when the community organizes?

2.) Do you have any trouble with the tactics of ACORN?

3.) So Rhonda, how to you defend ACORN and dis these AMERICANS?


....and a few others from the other threads that I am waiting anxiously for an answer on.

....but perhaps you are too "overwhelmed" by all of the name-calling and mean-ness. In that case...sleep on it and get back to us in the morning.

This is the hypocricy that is sickening. The mobs that ACORN orginizes have been dangerous at times and the media lauds them as heroes of the "people." They have used the mob mentality to bully and crush opposition. They use the mob mentality and professional practices to organize "protests." They are never spontaneous reflections of outrage.

So when actual Americans angered that their rights are being removed actually protest now we have to restrict first ammendment rights? Just when did health care become a national security threat? We allowed ACORN to terrorize CEO's but Americans aren't allowed to challenge their Congressmen because they haven't read a bill that completely changes their lives? They are not supposed to express their frustration and anger? Yet ACORN is hailed as great because they bully and terrorize to get their way? Why the huge double standard?

Well because if they continue to bully opponents who have differing opinions people will be afraid to speak out. They will be the only protestors.

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by kamie3535

First off I'm not saying there where mobs. Only MSMBC is saying and they are cooking stories to make it appear that way, with the willing accomplices in the drive by media!

Secondly answer the damn question!

Thirdly ACORN? Do you support ACORN?

Of course you will not answer or you'll dodge and weave. The only good mobs are mobs that support your barry. Real people that have a brain and can read the bill are just hate mongers.

Isn't it funny that MSNBC was so careful not to refer to the ACORN protestors as mobs, even when they turned violent, threatened people, and had to have police intervention? Why the double standard you think?

Again I don't think any of these reporters ever go to local town/city meetings. Forget health care, talk local taxes and discussion errupt. This is local politics in many areas. You may not see people with orange shirts and bull horns chanting but you will see real people discussing real issues with frustration, anger, and from their own personal perspective. No fakes there.

[Bailey4]

Originally Posted by kamie3535

So you understand part of what you are talking about, but other parts not so much?

Did I come close this time?

The parts you spew, you are sure about, the parts you dodge and weave around, not some much?


So when we tell you there is an end of life RATION for seniors, cause we can read ENGLISH, and political speak, you either

a don't care
b are oblivious
c think they live to long and should take the pill and screw the treatment, and be glad they got the pill.

Oh that must have been part of the bill, you don't understand. YES?

I

So does she expect only have to live to the parts that she has studied? Will she be exempt from the rest?

What will she tell Mom and Grandma when they kill them off, oops? Guess I should have read more?

One of the reasons it bothers me so much that the Congress is not subject to the rules are the rationing controls. Spector might feel differently about reading the bill when he realizes he isn't going to be getting care any longer. Perhaps this is his way out, who knows. I always think people make better decisions when they have a iron in the fire so to speak. You are more interested in how the bill will hurt you.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by rhondaklewis

You are way off base on this one. The buses had nothing to do with your state reps but the republicans that are sponsoring these shout them out groups. And as far as Rachel Maddow goes, she is not new to me. I have been watching her since day one. Yes, she usually does go back and do more research on certain topics which she may think need more attention or maybe she got the facts wrong. She is not a liar that you try and make her out to be. But that's you.

Actually Rhonda I am probably way closer then you are. Your precious Rachel Maddow is a liar and I know it for a fact. There is no call going out by the Republicans and I know that for a fact as well. I am a registered Republican in an area that went very heavily for Obama, I get the RNC newsletters. Shockingly there have been no emails, no telephone calls, no snail mail and no home visits signing me up to get on the bus and go disturb a town hall meeting. They haven't given me talking points (like the DNC does) nor have they been perpetuating any of the other things that you have claimed they are doing. They haven't been trying to scare me into thinking this bill proposes anything other then what it does. And, yep, I read it too. As much as it will disturb your bigoted little conceptions of the Republican party, we aren't responsible for it. 52% of the American public is against this bill. If you think that the Republicans can generate that kind of support I would say you need to be highly concerned about what happens during the next election. So, even though you will say I didn't, I just PROVED your precious little demagague is a LIAR. If you want to prove me wrong show me video of the Republicans putting these people on the bus. Oops, silly me, asking for something that doesn't exist.

As for you reading the bill and not understanding all of it. How can you support something that you don't completely understand? You come on here talking about how fabulous this is but you don't understand all of it? That is just nuts.

[Bailey4]

Kim the Republican party only wishes the people against the healthcare legislation were backing them. That is what the DNC controlled media isn't telling people. This is not controlled by either party. This is a true movement of frustration and anger by people and while the Republican party isn't complaining they are fully aware they have no control over where this movement is going.

While it is easy to use the RNC as a boogey man to frighten wandering DNC members the real boogey man is the Independent American voters. They are not being controlled, they are speaking out and the DNC has no idea how to respond to real protests not ochestrated ones they planned and are in favor of continuing.

[adbullock]

From what I can tell and the email newsletters I get, sorry I'm NOT a republican, it's a grassroot effort led by the independents that is fueling the fire AGAINST this healthcare plan. I think it's a lot like the tea parties though. The independents started it and then the republicans saw how much it caught on and said "why didn't I think of that?" Then suddenly there are Republicans trying to get in on the bandwagon.

Believe me, Ron Paul followers were holding tea parties long before the Republicans decided to do it this past summer. It was laughable (and yet they portrayed Paul as a kook in the primaries other than wanting to know how he was raising all his money).

Anyway, I was in the car the other day and NPR had a story about how surprised community organizers in favor of the health care plan were at the opposition. It said that no matter how early they got there it always seemed that the opposition was already there. What really surprised them was the fact that these people opposing Obamacare didn't WANT free health care. They STILL don't get the fact that it isn't FREE.

Even what is being proposed isn't FREE healthcare for all. What it is is required health insurance. Much like required auto insurance. There will be fees and penalties associated with not getting the insurance. Low income families will of course be subsidized so that they aren't paying for it but the middle class, those people who are screaming in support of this are not going to get free health coverage. They are simply going to lose the option not to buy health insurance.

More than that though. This bill defines what kind of health care people will receive. I've listened to what the man has to say and it's scary. He wants to reward those who have taken good care of their health. Does this mean that smokers, drinkers, and overeaters will be denied health coverage or only granted limited health coverage? What about athletes or other occupations that are hard on the body (blue collar factory work, farming, etc.)?