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I noticed this list on another web page but something I've always wondered.
http://www.whyjoinus.com/top_400_earners.pdf

For people to make these types of income what are the average size of their downline? Of course I have no clue of how accurate the numbers are...

Thanks for sharing that link. I shared it with my brother and we both thought it was interesting that a number of companies were not on the list who we thought should have been. After looking back over the list, it looks like it might be that the only companies included were the competitors of Monavie since it looks like it may have been compiled by them. Anyway, thanks for sharing! I always enjoy looking at lists like that wishing that my name was on one!

I am a new distributor with MonaVie and I can tell you that, at least for MonaVie, those numbers are real and maybe a little understated.

I have actually met a number of those people and they are seemingly genuine and generous with their time and money. The Harts just wrote a check for $100,000.00 (yes that is one hundred thousand dollars) as a contribution to MonaVie's MORE project which helps Brazilian orphans.

My sponsor makes her full-time living from MonaVie.

Additionally, Monavie files yearly income disclosure statements which are publicly available. If anyonw needs or wants additional info PM me and I'll get it to you.

I've actually met John and Susan Peterson from Herbalife, I don't know how big their downlines are, but I can tell you they have ALOT of people under them. They've been in Herbalife a long time.

Woaaa! I didn't know people were making that much!

Network marketing is truly a business opportunity that has no limits. Anyone who is willing to do their homework, pick a solid company with good products and then work hard can literally become a millionaire.

I have seen the Lamborgini given to the Merritts by MonaVie . That on top of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses! There are hundreds of millionaires in MonaVie as there are in many of the other multi-national network marketing companies. I'm sure companies like Avon, and Amway and Watkins etc. have made plenty of people, just like you and I, a very comfortable living and maybe even wealthy.

anyone who still thinks MLM is a scam has not been introduced to some of the billion dollar companies that have given opportunity to millions of reps and distributors. Many of these reps have been able to stay home and raise well-adjusted children or care for aging parents while building there business. Even if a person is only looking to make a few hundred extra dollars a month, the opportunities these companies offer are priceless!are

I have met a few big money earners and they understand the MLM system. It's keep people coming and going. I've had the debate with others before and it came down to in MLM the product really doesn't matter. It's not like many people do any real research on a product they will market. They get hyped in and then go on an auto ship and just keep on going with the system.

I'm not an MLM expert in any way shape or form but I wonder how many big income earners there are just from product sales..So MLM experts feel free to chime in on the subject if products matter or is it the system?

Actually, I believe to succeed in MLM over the long term the product does matter...A LOT.

You need to have a quality product(s) and a support system. You need to believe in those products and use them. There are many people who make money basically selling product but the real riches are generally made by recruiters.

I see where your coming from but some companies are basically buying clubs whee people join to get the discounted products. Then there are some of the consumables where if compared to what can be had in the big chain store can be had for a less cost.

As for belief in products that may not be a driving factor due to the high flow of people going from company to company within the industry. Then there's also the consideration of companies saying they have the best compensation in the industry when recruiting.

I wonder if there are in stats on the difference between internal consumption and personal sales within the industry.

I don't know if there are stats on this but it seems to me that if you are not using the products you are selling or are trying to get someone to sign up to sell products you don't use you are in the wrong company.

How can you passionately promote something you don't use yourself?

I'm also not sure that being able to buy it in a big box store for less is really the point.

If you think about it when you buy from a home-based entrepreneur you are doing more than just buying any old product. First of all you are supporting small business and entrepreneurship. To me that has a value.

Also, many network marketing companies have at least one flagship product that you either can't get anyplace else or can't match in terms of quality or efficiency. For instance:

Avon - Remember skin so soft at THE BEST insect repellant? Not to mention many of Avons products are patented high quality products.

Pre-paid Legal - This has come in handy for myself and my kids many times for dealing with legal issues.

MonaVie - A billion dollar company with distributors who believe in the company, have gotten wealthy and feel strongly that its products have helped them lose weight, get healthy and the juices alleviate arthritis, allergies, gastric issues and more.

Watkins and Melaluca - High quality natural products, many of which you can't find elsewhere.

For the record, I'm not pitching any of these companies and I KNOW this is not a complete list its just a few companies whose products I have used and that came to mind off the top of my head.

Hello MillieJ I fully understand and agree with you but then we also have to consider the people who move from company to company along with the deals that we hear about. It's one thing to be a person moving up in the industry but there seem to be another side when people build big down lines. If it was mainly about having a better product companies wouldn't need to have noncompetes within their associate agreements.

Just as an example just watch how people on this board reacts when the next great opportunity comes along. You will see people jumping in to get in at the top because they see others joining.
Hey I'm not bashing I'm speaking about what I have observed in the MLM industry. To an extent
I think the driving force for many people is the hype and opportunity and not so much the product because most people when joining a business don't do any product or market research. They just pay the fees and go from there.. At one time myself included..

I think Millie is seeing this from a long term point of view and I agree.

All the people who jump for program to program are taking advantage of the upfront "hits" they get with fast start bonuses and such. There are a few notorious ones out there and I can understand a company asking you to sign a non-compete. If you sold a brick and mortar business you would have to sign one.

For some reason people don't see MLM as "real" businesses. They take work to build and that takes time its not "get rich quick" Once you build a successful business you usually stick with it even if you are exploring other opportunities. If you are not doing well then you move on.

You are absolutely right however about people not researching the programs they join...they just focus on the hype. From what I am reading in these forums, many members are making part-time and even very good full time livings at network marketing and home-based businesses. Anyone who wants to build a business needs to know that it takes time. You would not open a store or restaurant and expect to make millions overnight so why should home-based businesses be different?

If you take note of the MLMs that have achieved longevity, they are all solid product based companies that do not promise wealth with no work and spillover from just waiting.

If everyone is just waiting for the spillover who is creating that spillover and how long can it last?

Any MLM company can be easily evaluated for long term potential by asking 2 questions:
1. If the product were sold at WalMart, at that price, would you buy it?
2. Does the management team appear to have the knowledge and desire to build an empire?

Unfortunately, 90% of the MLM companies out there will fail the top question and that is typically their downfall. Management teams can be replaced or bought out as the company grows, but without a viable product (or service) that would stand on its own without the hype - it is failure waiting to happen.

I am a huge fan of MLM which is why I built my commission structure on Beemz in a multi-tiered fashion. The one thing I did stay away from was the hype. The main reason is that I want people joining me for the long term, not just for the quick and easy money. I want to create wealth in individuals that will stay with me and build a business selling my services - not those that come in for a month or two and leave because they realize their "easy way out" wasn't as easy as it was hyped up to be :)

That is really good to know.

Network marketing is truly a business opportunity that has no limits. Anyone who is willing to do their homework, pick a solid company with good products and then work hard can literally become a millionaire.

I have seen the Lamborgini given to the Merritts by MonaVie . That on top of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses! There are hundreds of millionaires in MonaVie as there are in many of the other multi-national network marketing companies. I'm sure companies like Avon, and Amway and Watkins etc. have made plenty of people, just like you and I, a very comfortable living and maybe even wealthy.

anyone who still thinks MLM is a scam has not been introduced to some of the billion dollar companies that have given opportunity to millions of reps and distributors. Many of these reps have been able to stay home and raise well-adjusted children or care for aging parents while building there business. Even if a person is only looking to make a few hundred extra dollars a month, the opportunities these companies offer are priceless!are


Well said, LIllianRose.

A market is never saturated with a good product, but it is very quickly saturated with a bad product.

Network Marketing companies cannot stay around long without high-quality products that people love and love to share /sell. Many companies have been around for decades and become internationally known. The only way they can stay and grow globally is when people are benefiting from the products and thus buying them.

As with any legitimate business, the only time someone is paid is when product is sold. The fact that quality products can be sold by someone working from home who is willing to work and even grow into a leader....adding to the family budget can definitely be done.....and millionaire status is a genuine possibility.

Nice...very nice indeed.

I am on the team of the highest income earner in Vemma and let me tell you that the lifestyle these people enjoy is very real. With the right product(preferably consumable, unique, backed by science and producing real results) and a system that can be duplicated the sky is the limit! Systems can be duplicated, people can't. So whatever the product is there has to be a system thst others can duplicate even if they have no experience in network marketing. With hard work everything is possible!