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I am curious. How can you lose your downline in your company? My company just introduced changes in our program where we can lose our downline fairly easily. I think it is sinful, but before I compose my letter of outrage:-) I am interested in hearing how you can lose your downline.


I realize that this may not be something that you would want to answer as we generally like to paint our companies is a beautiful light, but I would really appreciate your imput. (Feel free to PM me if you don't want it posted on the board.)


So how do you lose yours?
1. If someone promotes above you?
2. If you go inactive?
3. If you are a leader and you don't make your sales numbers?
4. Your answer here:-)


I'll share why I am disappointed with the changes. As a leader we will lose our down line if we don't meet these 3 criteria in a 3 month period.
1. $500 in personal sales (I can support that.)
2. Our team's monthly sales requirement (I don't think that is fair)
3.Our requirements for directqualified teams. (I don't think that is fair.)


I just think that it is wrong that a leader could be doing $1,000+ in personal sales each month and still lose their downline if their team doesn't produce or if someone on their team steps out and the leader doesn't relpace them quickly. Basically we no longer lose our status andcommission checkwhen we don't meet the requirements. We lose everything and have to start over. Do you know of any companies that do this?!?!?!?!


Thanks!

If we quit our company. That would be the only way that we loose our downline.

The same with TOHE. You can be inactive for 6 months and then get active again and you're right back where you were before!!!

It's one of the big reasons this company is so awesome. We even have a maternity leave program. You can inactive and still get paid on your team!!! Have you ever heard of it before???? I haven't. LOL

Sorry to hear about your company. I would love to introduce you to TOHE someday!!!

Brenda P.

The only company that I know of that you can lose your downline is Avon.If im wrong someone correct mesmileys/smiley9.gifI think that you do have to have a certain amount in sales.smileys/smiley5.gif

We never lose our downline - unless we quit - even if someone in your downline promotes above you, or if you fail to meet the $300 requirement per month to get paid on your downline. If you don't do the $300 in personal sales in a month, you just won't get paid on your downline, but you never will lose them. I know of alot of companies that do this though. If an Infinity team fails to make their team requirement, the team still remains, the infinity team just has to requalify, nothing bad happens! It's sad that there are so many companies out there saying "God, Family, Career", that don't really mean it or stand behind it! Life Happens - Sheesh!!! Thank God my company is not like that!


Nora

The same with TOHE. You can be inactive for 6 months and then get active again and you're right back where you were before!!!

It's one of the big reasons this company is so awesome. We even have a maternity leave program. You can inactive and still get paid on your team!!! Have you ever heard of it before???? I haven't. LOL

Sorry to hear about your company. I would love to introduce you to TOHE someday!!!

Brenda P.
That is cool that your company has a maternity program!That is definetly awesome!smileys/smiley2.gif

Each of mine are different


1- to get any money off anyoneI sign up, I have to have a minimum of 3 each of them selling $250 per month and me selling $250 per month - before I would earn a cent


2-you lose them if they are inactive and cut from the Biz- if they start thier own team you still earn off them- but not off thier team


3-if one of my team members get 25 team members under them then they leavemy team- before they get 25 you off of thier team and then theirs - 3 times down


4-if they are not active and they are cut from the bizyou lose them


Now for 2-4 for me to earn off team, I have minimal monthly and quarterly requirements which are not hard to do. Since I am working my Biz


Tonja

With AVON - yes you can loose your downline - they roll up if you don't perform - for 2 months in a row - as far as putting orders in or your folks not putting in orders - you do have a cushion for personal orders - points you can use to cover part of an order


You can be re-linked once - so if you had a personal crisis, lazy for a month or two - or medical issues etc - but once you get established it really isn't an issue - it's just those first couple months when you start that it's a little scarey .But when you first begin you get several months like almost a year to get a team built - and become a UL - so if you are working it - it's not an issue -


When I did Partylite - we also lost our downline for several different reasons too -

With us, we can only lose someone if they are also a manager and we depromote. Then managers roll up, but our downline stays.


Debbie

Brenda, I am so sorry!


That's one of the reasons I get frustrated with some of the plans for home
parties- it just doesn't seem fair that you do so much work and bring the
company so much business, yet are forced to maintain high sales and
continuous recruiting to maintain a paycheck and residuals each month.
It makes me smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley7.gif smileys/smiley7.gif because after all, we're hard working moms,
trying to devote our time to our children!

I had NO IDEA there were companies out there that will actually take away
your DOWNLINE if you don't maintaine a monthly quota. That seems
downright villanous to me. If you worked hard to get to where you are,
why on earth do they feel justified in taking that away from you for any
reason other than if you decide to leave the company???!

When I chose Mia Bella, this was one of the reasons it was so attractive for
me. Eventually we plan to have a second child, and I do not want to have
to work *at all* while I am nursing a newborn and taking care of my other
daughter. So I found a company that allows me to build a large team and
collect a paycheck on their sales volume every month (even if it is just
their COTM every month), with NO requirements of me beyond my COTM
membership.I can continually receive my residuals no matter HOW large
my team grows, regardless of whether members achieve a higher status
than I do. It doesn't matter if I never sell a single candle. Ever.

And once I reach Director status, I will have the ability to be paid out on
infinite levels deep. So eventually, some day, I will be able to retire on my
residuals by doing nothing more than receiving a $40 candle shipment
every month. (Of course, I can always come out of "retirement" for a craft
show or the farmer's market here of there if I WANT to- it's MY choice.)
Now THAT is a retirement plan that I can live with!

Hang in there Brenda, if you are unable to resolve issues with your
current company, don't give up- there are options out there for you.
Here's a big smileys/smiley31.gif for you! --Kitt the Candle Goddess!
Edited by: UNcommonScents

With Southern Living at HOME, you never lose your downline. You'd have to quit the company.


Even if someone in your downline promotes above you, you can always recapture that person when you promote to their level. You could be inactive for months and months, but when you're active again, you get paid on your downline.


There is a minimum sales of $500 in a month to get paid on your team. That's a requirement I support 100%. I think a leader should be "active" if she/he wants to reap the rewards of her team.


We also have a "Rollup" program which helps when Director's promote out of your group. If your director doesn't make her numbers, her group volume immediately rolls back into your group so you can count her towards your "director" numbers too. That is HUGE and really helps keep the income level consistent.


SLAH has always had a maternity program. We started this when we launched 5 years years ago. You still get paid on your team for 3 months even if you don't sell a dime! That makes such a differencefor new moms who have teams.


Susan Scarborough Smith / Star Director

Hey Susan!

I'm just curious- if you've done the work to build a large team, and you
are
continually working with them to train, support, and help them build their
business, don't you feel that you deserve to be paid every month for
those efforts? Why does that expectation need to be there of constantly
pushing a large volume of sales? It can be very stressful when you're
working and training a team of 100 or more team members. Or even 20!
smileys/smiley5.gif

I believe team leaders have to work hard all the time to keep a strong,
thriving, growing team, and should earn their residuals for all their effort.
I know that I am VERY active, whether I am retailing or not- I deserve that
monthly check, and I sure am happy to get it! smileys/smiley36.gif

I do feel I reap the rewards from my team building.


I'd hardly say SLAH's requirement is a "High Volume of Sale". It's just $500. That's not even 1 party a month for me.For a a retail driven company like SLAH, I feel it is very important for me as a leader tohold at least 1 party a month. I would be completely out of touch with my team if I wasn't holding parties. How could they expect me to offer true life experience if I'm not in the field so to speak.


I came from the corporate world before SLAH and some of the worst leaders in my industry of Television News were those whohad lost touch with the "Field." I worked for one station who "Got it" and realized that leaders needed to go in the field from time to time. So.. once a week, a different manager would travel with a reporter/photographer team. It made such a difference.


SLAH's product line changes constantly. Home Decorating has trends and curves. I have actually lead my team in sales for the past 6 months! I set the bar! Team members see that as the "Norm." If I was only squeaking by with my $500 a month, my team would think that is what they are supposed to do. How can ask them to do 4-8 parties a month and I only do 1?


Just my two cents. I think we all like our companies for difference reasons and the small $500 minimum is one that I completely agree with! I'm on track to sell $4000 this month!smileys/smiley17.gif Plus... I get an extra 9% on my own sales in royalties alongwith my team royalties!(On top of my commission) That's a huge incentive to sell! Plus... after this month I'll have earned a trip to Puerto Rico for me and my husband!!!


Susan Scarborough Smith / Star Director Edited by: SusanwithSLAH

In Mary Kay, you cannot lose your personal team, even if you step down from leadership. We do not have ANY monthly quotas for personal work. As a leader (director) there are minimal requirements, but if you don't make it, after a grace period, you would never lose your personal team, but the other people on your team you would not be paid for if you are no longer in leadership. While we are usually consistent with our business, and it not a problem, I would not like a company who has such expectations of their leaders. If someone who is a personal recruit promotes up to your level, or even above, you continue to receive commission from their personal sales, as well as a percentage of their team. Look around and see if another company might be better for you, there are a lot of companies here!
Valerie S
Mary Kay

With The Traveling Vineyard you do not lose your team unless you leave
or the individual Consultant leaves. Even if someone promotes
above you they are still your team member and you receive your
overrides on them and their team members.

I agree with Susan about being active when a leader. You need to
walk the talk to be a good leader. You need to be in touch with
your customer and your product to be an effective leader. I
really believe in leading by example. Companies with really high
minimums are out of touch with the role of a leader, but I do believe
in setting a realistic and attainable monthly goal.



I do not think I would get involved with a company that continually
takes my team members from me. If I bring them in and train them,
they should be a member of my team for as long as they represent the
company. How else would you reach that high level of success with
a wide and deep team? Just wondering how that would keep anyone
motivated to build a team.smileys/smiley5.gif

In Country Bunny Bath & Body you only lose your downline if your resign or become inactive.

Hi purseladysmileys/smiley19.gif


Someone emailed this link to me because they know how I feel about party planshttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif, high monthly "retail quotas"http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif and people actually losing their downlines they builthttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


I just posted this on a great link Kitt started in Mia Bella....





Kitt!!http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif


Excellent post... WOW! http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif


It'spretty amazing with Mia Bella.


I met a woman who was at the "top" of her candle company. It's a candle company that produces their candles with paraffinhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gifum YIKES!


From what she told me, they apparently can mainly build their candle business with partieshttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif.


She used to do a lot of candle parties and was one of the top producers.http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifThen, in her words... She got very sick from being around "those candles burning" and after a few years of building, had to stop for "health reasons."


The monthly quotas were so high that YEP, she LOST HER DOWNLINE AND HER INCOME, after all of her work. AND she was physically ill....http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


As a lawyer and a Mia Bella Lover, I personally find this very insulting. That's why I would NEVER NEVER NEVER "work" FORa party plan company. It's basically a hard job with no benefits.It'shttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif ....well, I better stop herehttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


I guess that's why we're all so excited here....http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gifhttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif


It just gets more Mia Bella Scent-Sational as the years go by!http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif


Have a Scent-Sational Monday cool/HOT WAHMs!


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Lori Morenohttp://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif

Premier Designs Jewelry does not have "break-aways" or "promote outs".


You NEVER lose your downline. This really encourges you to help others to grow!


And youALWAYS make 10% for 3 levels no matter what the "Team" sales are for the month. (And hopefully you bring in lasdies that are Better Than You!)


It bothers me to think that a Company can change policy whenever it likes without consulting its distributors. Hopefully, your letter to the Company (along with other consultants) might help them to see that this would be a bad thing for them to do. Loss of morale could reallyhurt the Company as a whole.


Best of Luck,


Sheryl

I think Brenda might have been misunderstood. smileys/smiley2.gifWhen she said "same with TOHE" I think she was replying to yministry101. We do not lose our downlines. TOHE's business plan is incredible!! smileys/smiley1.gif