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Has anyone else heard about bc going back to image? Color Analysis, Fashion Personality, color coded cosmetics. I've heard that Lynn Budjenska (sp?) posted it on her FB page. But I am not in her downline so can anyone confirm this? This will be so exciting if it's true! Any Directors here that can confirm?

Personally I hope not and I won't do it.

I understand how you feel. I don't think, if they went back to doing image, that spa would be eliminated. They would probably do both. I am a long time consultant...started with image. And I can tell you that when I did image I had a better relationship with my clients, better reorders, than I did with spa. That said...your results may be different than mine, obviously spa is successful, but there is still a market for image that is not being met and I would love to see BC offer more support to those of us that still like to do it.

Not too long ago (maybe a year?) I did an event and one lady asked me about color analysis. (I'm not sure how the subject came up...I think I was telling her about how we started doing image than moved into spa parties), and she asked if I could do her colors. I just happen to have my color drapes and did it for her. I had tons of women sign up to get their colors done. Sold several color swatch books...(even though the info is a little dated now). They really had no interest in the spa stuff even though that's how my table was set up. Perhaps that was because there were other companies doing spa, like Arbonne, BSAH, even MK had spa products out. There really is a market out there for it (image).

I don't know your history with bc, or your interest in makeup....but if you haven't tried it, don't close the door on it until you have. It really is fun, my clients always had a great time at image parties. :)

I came in at the image time and I really liked it. It gave the customers are far more personalized look and attention than they get now at a spa. I had those color books and drapes and BC which was Beauticontrol back then (still is I know but everything gets abrevieted now).

If Lynn is posting about it then it must be something the top guys are thinking about gong back to.

Lynn's status said: I am sooo excited about color coordinating our fabulous line of mineral make-up to match your season and fashion personality. Yep - it's back! Color analysis, fashion personality and body types so you will be a 10 every time you walk out the door. Head to toe ~ fabulous!! Want to come the the first workshop to get your image certification?? HOT - HOT - HOT

It also says something about a workshop that is being planned, so I don't really know if that means they are moving back in that direction. I think that makeup is one of BC's strong points, and I would definitely love having the option of doing more with the makeup end. Though I would never want to do away with the spa part. :)

I hope they add it in for those who want to do it. I would love to be able to do this for people, and color analysis was before my time. I hate when people ask me what colors they should be wearing and i really don't know what to tell them. For myself, I just try things on til I find something I like, but as a consultant, I think it makes me look bad to do that with clients. lol

Thanks for reporting that Bethany I am not great with facebook just yet.

I wonder if this is something Lynn herself is doing with her group or if BC is going to be introducing it. It will add a totally additional dimension to the BC network not to mention letting consultants be more knowledgeable about colors.

I somewhat disagree that makeup is BCs strong point altough its good what it doesnt have is samples. So you have to buy all the shades or most of them. There are several foundations now, wd secret mineral in different colors. I have tried to use that foundation stip and have not been so good with it.

I don't mean it's their only strong point. I definitely think the skin care is the strongest thing BC has. And I agree that we need more makeup samples. But whenever I show the makeup at my spas, I sell a TON! I think that is mainly because I let the clients play in the makeup while I am helping with orders and the makeup is really good. So once they put it on their face, they love it! I do have most of the makeup to demo (I have purchased it a little at a time over the years I have been with BC) and I share it with my team. My director also has a lot of the makeup and she lets the team borrow hers too. I have even considered buying a second set of the makeup so I can take mine to my spas and have a separate one for my team to use. I don't know if this is just something Lynn is doing or not (though I am in Lynn and Barbara's family), but I think it is a great idea either way! I will let everyone know if I hear any more! :)

The part that interests me is "want to come to the first workshop to get your image CERTIFICATION?"

That certainly sounds like a BC wide thing to be I don't think they'd just be letting one director do this just for her group although her group is pretty big!

If Bc does go back to image I would consider taking it up and getting my certification (which I think is a great idea and gives credibility) which leads me to my next question

Bethany what makeup do you show and sell at your parties. What sells the most. When I think of makeup I mean foundation but it could mean all the color products to. (BC used to have their "bestsellers" listed but all that makeup except for eyeliners is pretty much gone now).

An acquaintence of mine who sells Mary Kay said they are replacing their liquid/creme makeup in their starter kits nest month with only mineral makeup. So that means that mineral makeup must be selling more than their other types.

I love this discussion!

I think Lynn's Facebook update is in support of the company clearly focusing on make up in March for the first time in many many years. The entire March client flyer ( which you can view on Beautinet ) is about make up and our make up sale for March. They are introducing a beautiful new make up lien that even includes 2 new nail colours.

Gary said this at our Director Summit~ "If you are going to leave anything out of your spas or your parties, it should never be skin care or make up because those are client-building products. " I think the company has recognized that the personal connection of providing a customized product and the loyalty that women feel to both their skin care and make up far surpasses that which they have to any body product.

Like others have written, I have seen a huge surge in interest and demand for colour analysis, and make up training information. I have recntly held a colour analysis workshop for my team and held a full make up party last night. I don't think that BC will "go back to image " but they will continue to add more make up promtions and support materials as the consultant and client base demands it.

One last encouragement for you~ Try the new make up collections, you will love them. Begin to share make up at your spas and consultations. You will build loyal clients with make up. If you would liek to learn more about make up, there are many short video clips on youtube.com including Gary;'s 5 minute make up training. Check there for more info & have fun with make up!

I have a tool box (literally) that is full of makeup. In it, I have:

1. all of the wet/dry shades
2. all of the mineral foundation shades
3. a Secret Agent foundation (so clients can see how it feels if they like liquid)
4. a Platinum (same reason as the other liquid)
5. 2 or 3 foundation selectors (they don't always give me a definitive answer due to lighting and things like that, but they sure give me a place to start!)
6. all of the mineral eye, lip, and blush shades
7. all 3 extra help concealers
8. a platinum concealer (so they can see how it feels again)
9. most of the platinum lip colors
10. shadow control in taupe and pink
11. mascara with primer in black
12. regular spectaculash mascara in black
13. spectaculash volumizing in black
14. some lip and eye pencils
15. natural and mint primer
16. makeup erase pencil
17. most of the lip glosses
18. and of course LOTS of applicators!

Each spa is a little different in what I sell, but I have sold a lot of the new mineral shadows, blushes, and lip colors. My most popular foundation is the wet/dry (I have even had loyal mineral foundation ladies switch to our wet/dry instead of our mineral) and the platinum is a close second. Not coincidentally, these are the 2 foundations I wear, so I rave about them and once people try them they fall in love. I sell a lot of mascara, a TON of concealer, and everything else just varies from spa to spa. If I have lots of younger girls buying, they usually want lip glosses vs my older clients tend to like the mineral lip colors or platinum lip colors. I also always carry the Lash and Lid and use it at every spa, so I sell quite a bit of that.

At most spas, I will have at least one person who doesn't want to take off their makeup and cites the fact that they are going someplace after the spa as their reasoning. I always tell them that it is up to them and I won't force them to do anything they don't want to do, but I have a tool box FULL of makeup in my car that they can use. I tell them I have every foundation shade, so they don't need to worry about not finding their color and our makeup is fantastic. Normally, they decide to do everything at that point and end up loving the makeup and skin care too. I have even had a client call me while she was on vacation in Hawaii to reorder her makeup so I would have it for her when she got home. When I have time at the spa, I will sometimes do a makeover on the hostess (with her permission) and I offer followup makeup spas or makeup and skin care only spas too. If you aren't comfortable talking about the makeup, just let them play in it! That is usually how I work it in and how I sell a lot of it. It takes off the pressure, and they have fun while they are going through the colors. Plus, there is usually one girls who takes charge and does everyone's makeup, so she is great to talk to about joining your team!

I went on beautinet and viewed the March flier cover, but I don't see how you can view the contents. It's great to know that BC is bringing back nail polishes!!

Bethany you have made quite an investment in foundations. Not to mention lipsticks and colors! If I do this I will follow your list.

I have found the w/d and platinum to be unique products. You have to be careful with the platinum because after there was a discussion here about the smell, I checked mine and it had an expiraiton date of 08. I didn't buy it from the company, got it from another consultant, but it was a heads up.

The secret is also a good foundation I use it sometimes.

The platinum lipsticks are unique I love them because they are so emoillent. I think you are playing on the strenghts that BC has on their unique products. A lot of makeup companies make good products, even in the drugstores but the platinum products are unique.

Looking at the list again, I intend to exclude mineral foundations. I am just not a fan, and there are good ones everywhere, and since you sell more w/d, of which I am a fan, it just makes sense to start out that way.

My advice is: Buy when they are on sale! I have invested a bit in my makeup collection, but I use them all myself (Of course, I have my own mascara and wet/dry and things like that, but I use the shadow control and things straight out of my demo case) and I got them all when they were on big sales. For example, I know the mineral makeup was all buy one get one half off when I bought it, so I saved on all of those. I also got the mineral shadows, blushes, and lip colors at Leadership when they were released, so those were all discounted too. To demo the platinum foundation, I always just throw my own in there so people can feel it because I rave about it whenever I can.

I think that is a great idea to start with the wet/dry. That is what I did originally and it was great. It is also very helpful to have the colors with you, because as someone mentioned above the foundation seletor doesn't always tell you the perfect shade. All it takes is bad lighting to make someone look yellow or even lighter than they are. So, I use that as a starting point, then try that shade on the person and usually try the next darker shade too. More often than not, the next darker shade looks better. Also, with the mineral, I will say that my clients who have tried it and are die hard mineral makeup girls have liked ours better than some of the big names they've been using (like Bare Escentuals or Bare Minerals), but most still like our wet/dry the best even over the mineral makeup offered by those companies. I think our wet/dry is a HUGE important product, and people keep coming back to it.

Lady J, I had the same issue several times with the Platinum , and BC even replaced the products. Since it didn't happen all the time, I finally figured out that when I made sure to leave the plastic cap on it, I never had that smell. I leave mine out on the bathroom counter and evidently the humidity from the shower effected the make up when the cap was off. I love that product and wouldn't be without it. We had a BC retreat in Branson last weekend and had sessions on color analysis, image and make up. It was very exciting. Color is really being highlighted in many industries this season ranging from sewing, home decorating to fashion. Recently I have had gals from their 20's to 60 year olds + requesting help with image and make up. Fashion merchandising classes in the local high schools annually ask for a presentation on color analysis, skin care, and make-up. This is a hint for those looking to expand their business. Sorry this is so long. Just got excited about it, I think!

This discussion is one of the most active in a long time!

Sure wish my area did color workshops Nancy. Was it your director/area or was it open to all BC consultants. Sometimes they do things just in the "area".

Back in the day I had my colors done and loved the color combos back in the 90s when I came in. If you are representing yourself as a makeup and image consultant, its my feeling that you pretty much have to look pretty good yourself. So I would have to give myself a makeover first.

I am surprised Gary hasn't put anything on his blog about this I read it occassionally, thought fashion week was a great boost. I truly hope that BC begins to furish some of the literature I remember from the image days for us consultants.

I am really excited to see all the discussions going on about this! This board has been quiet for too long.

Samples....bc won't offer color samples unless there are enough of us to buy them. I think they have to buy them in bulk and it is too costly. There are advantages/disadvantages to having samples anyway. If bc does push image more in the near future, perhaps samples will come back. Keep asking for them!

Certification...back in the day, when we went to beauti u, it was not to get the 2nd part of our kit. It all came at one time. We went to learn, and become certified, in color analysis. (among other things we learned!). It is soooo easy to do. You just have to be taught. On our biz cards, our title used to be "Certified Image Consultant". It really makes a difference to a client when you can say that you are certified.

Just today I was at a dept store and I overheard a mother tell her teenage daughter that she shouldn't pick that shirt because she didn't think it was the right color for her. And the daughter said "how do you know what colors to pick?" and the mother said "I don't know". They left before I had a chance to say anything to them. But it is perfect timing for our discussion here. Think of how much business you could add to your current customer base, if you could contact them for image parties. I really, really hope corporate offers more support materials for image parties. I still have my old color drapes and color books, but it would be nice to have something current. It's not about discontinuing spa parties, it's about adding another valuable (and unique) service.

Bethanny, you have a nice large demo case! That's great. Someone just starting w/makeup wouldn't have to start with anywhere near that much. Like you said, just add with each order until you build up to it.

Nancy....please expand on what you learned at your retreat! :)

I want to state I didn't mean to be a downer. I'm in Iowa and this is not a hot item in my neck of the woods. I know in the southern states it is more popular. I would never want my colors done and I wouldn't be comfortable giving someone else their colors. I do however LOVE to give advise on skincare. Skincare is my biggest seller and it's what has kept me going in times that my business was really in the toliet.

Tiffany - I completely agree that skin care is huge! And if makeup isn't a big seller in your area, then you've gotta stick with what works. I used to shy away from the makeup because I was afraid I would tell someone the "wrong" way to do it (even though I have been wearing it for over 10 years myself. lol) But ever since Gary did the 5 minute face demo at a conference, I have been hooked on sharing the makeup. I think that the makeup is a great addition for us, and a great way to better serve our clients and reach clients who may not be ready for the skin care. I have some clients that just are not interested and some that are only interested in the makeup. I have had clients just use the makeup until they loved it and really trusted me and only then could I get them to try (and of course love) our skin care.

Nancy- You are right. Someone starting out does not need as much makeup as I have. And I have built my case over 4 years, so I hope no one reads that and thinks they need to order all of that right now to be successful. Just get a little at a time (ALWAYS buy on sale!) to add in. The thing I would start with is wet/dry (which is coincidentally on sale in March! lol) Also, when someone buys a primer, concealer, etc that doesn't work for them and they swap it with me, I add it to my case as a demo. And you can always see if your recruiter or director has makeup you can borrow. Not all of them will, but it can't hurt to ask!

This is a very interesting discussion. Tiffany, it may seem that they might not be interested in color analysis, but Des Moines is where I lived when we were trained in color analysis, image and wardrobe planning by a fabric/sewing company where I worked. I think everything sort of cycles around after so many years. Last weekend a group of about 10 area directors put on a retreat at Branson. One of our National Ex. Directors was there, and I had the good fortune to room with her all weekend. How awesome is that! We had 3 hours Sat. evening where they taught image and body type to help with clothing choices, color analysis, told us which mineral glamour colors are warm, cool, or neutral/both, and we also had the opportunity to learn and try make up application from the experts. The changes on the consultants and directors who previously didn't wear make up (didn't know how to apply, etc.) was really amazing. They still showed the drapes that BC had originally as well as a posterboard that had metallic gold on one side and metallic silver on the other side to determine if a person has warm or cool undertones. They passed around the color swatch books from before. I am intrigued with how we will get to be at a workshop where we are certified. My director hasn't mentioned that yet. For those who are interested, my director mentioned a book called Looking Younger by Robert Jones which gives a lot of information about skin types and different kinds of make up for each as well as tips to apply make up for different ages of clients. I have just gotten it, so I have only gotten through the introduction. Sorry this is so long. Just wanted to share some of what I learned as I know the weekend was a turning point for many in their businesses.

One caveat about Robert Jones is that for a while he was the premier mary kay makeup artist, and one of his books uses mary kay directors and the mary kay colors. I have never totally read his book, just skimmed thru it, but I do know he puts warmish eye colors with coolish lip colors. In keeping with the winter/spring type of program, you don't put a copper eyeshadow with a deep rose lipstick, you put a grey/silver one!

Tiffany you make a good point about women not wearing makeup in your area. My husband has taken a job in a city where there people coming in from all over the US, and when I go to church and look at the women's bare faces, I think, "boy, if Mary Kay had to rely upon this group, their empire would be in trouble!" I think it depends upon the woman, but most young girls don't wear as much, and "yankee" women don't either. No state wears more makeup than Texas, and it's no coincidence that both Mary Kay and Beauticontrol got their start in Texas!!

Finally, I just have to say that one reason I am all for samples is that sometimes at spas sharing retail makeup at parties gets non hygenic. Now that dept stores have more of their color cosmetics just out on the counter for all to use, I don't sample them except on my hand.

That's one reason I was told that many of the major brands went to tube foundation because it was more hygenic, even for its own user. Gary knows more about this than I do, he can advise us.

I don't know if corporate still reads this message board which doesn't have as much traffic as it used to, but if they do they should TAKE NOTE of the fact that this makeup discussion has generated more interest than anything has in a long time!!!!

Tiffany, you're not a downer at all. Skin care is still the main focus at an image party. We do skin care/color analysis/makeup. I've had clients not interested in makeup, but they still got their colors done. Color analysis is for both makeup and wardrobe information. I'm curious why you wouldn't be interested in getting your colors done? is it because you don't wear makeup? Just curious.

We're obviously not getting rid of spas. And in either case, the focus is still skin care. Makeup has always given me more loyal clients than spa products and I intend to go back and start offering my clients color analysis again. I hope corporate will offer us updated materials at some point, but if not, I will use what I have.

Thanks for sharing what you learned Nancy. Was Lynn the national you roomed with?

Oh, Tiffany, I didn't mean to make you feel like you were a downer. You are totally the opposite! You have been very helpful and positive. We used to laugh about living in the Midwest (Kansas and Iowa) that we picked up the trends probably a year later than other places and hung on to them longer. I never used to have anyone ask me about our make up until a year or 2 ago. My sales were really more skin care. I had a director do my make up and my friend's make up, so I could see how to do it for my clients. Starting with the 5 minute make over was less intimidating for me to do. I could also see big results, and so could the clients. It is really hard to botch that one unless they poke themselves in the eye with the mascara wand!

I am glad that we have more available to give to our clients as that makes us more valuable to them. I like the idea that we might receive more education to help us as well. With all of the ladies who are looking for JOBS who want to look polished (which they mark most often on the client profile), I think that we have a needed service to provide. As with everything in life, not all ladies will need it, and not all consultants will feel comfortable in providing it. That is what makes it great about having our own BC business with support to help us grow as we are ready.

Sam, I had the amazing opportunity to room for 2 nights with Nancy Savely. She introduced me to the book. Thanks for the information about Robert. I guess I was really looking at it more with the application techniques in mind to work with all ages, and then I was coordinating the colors with our mineral colors. This is what Nancy was sharing with it.

Hope this helps. I do love the discussion. I like it when the message board is upbeat and informative with lots of sharing. I enjoy learning this way, too.

This is a really exciting thread. I really hope BC makes this an option for us, since my last 3 spa requests have been for color consults and application techniques, and is something that is very interesting to me. Luckly, I am fairly educated in the area of make-up and colors, but I know some consultants would be lost if asked to do a color spa.
I was suprised to see so many midwest girls. Hi to all Iowans and former Iowans. I am an Iowan, born and raised. I am currently in the Iowa City area of Iowa, very trendy and diverse, even for Iowa. You never know what you are going to be asked, and then there are the handful that still don't even know what BC is. That is what I like about BC we are flexible!

Tara Bryant
Personal web site of TARA E BRYANT, Independent BeautiControl Consultant (http://www.beautipage.com/tarabryant)

Nancy, You didn't make me feel like a downer in the least.

This is a great discussion and I might just change my mind after all.

I love to look good not just in skincare but all over so who knows. One thing for sure is I really love BC.

Former Iowan here!! I actually felt like I had a more difficult time selling spa products in Iowa than make up or skin care. It seemed the ladies felt that was too luxurious and they should stick with basics that they knew they would use daily. I really didn't do that much BC business in Iowa so my knowledge is very limited!
Six months ago we moved south to a larger, diverse area with lots of working women. I have just started to work on developing my business and I think more education in color analysis would be hugely beneficial. I haven't bought or sold much make up because I don't feel personally confident in my ability to identify another woman's "colors". I am allergic to most pigments in all make up products and I am limited to brown tones so I think that impacts how I sell make up as well. BUT, I would love to do more. (if I felt more confident).
Any ideas on how we could get more training on colors/make up?

That's the million dollar question!

To a certain extent you can get it on your own with books like color me beautiful. Also there are good books on makeup and little tricks and tips.

But when it comes to things like color drapes and books (I had those) then its harder but that's what women like. I too know a lot (from the past) but certainly need refreshing as well.

There are actually several make up instuction videos posted on Youtube. Some even using BC favourite products by Directors like Saralyn Ostwinkle.

My very best make up tip is to ask the client what she likes to wear already. Most women will come to you with a fairly clear idea of what they liek to wear in make up. I always start by asking what she wears on a daily basis. Not the brands, but the items. If she is a mascara, lip gloss & concealer girl, I will show her our version of these 3, plus a bronzer & maybe shadow control creme. Only take them one or two steps from where they are.

As far as colours, kind of do the same. For example, Most women have several shades of lipstick that are already very similar in colour, and when they are looking for a new one, they are not looking for dramatically new, but a more "perfect" version of what they already like to wear~ pinks, berries, neutrals, browns, etc. Take visual clues from what she is already wearing or ask her what she usually wears.

all of the Kc area directors had a summit in Branson last weekend(I earned the trip for FREE,:)
Guess What the focus was? Color Analysis/Body Typing!! But, it really was great! Our National Exec Dir.Nancy Savely was there, and helped.
Some of the girls had no idea whether they were a warm or cool,summer or winter,etc.I remembered we did a color thing when I was in 4-H:)

Don't knock the BC color!! My mom was an MK lady, and when they switched to Mineral my face (even my eyelids)broke out all the time!! And BC's skincare is the first I've had such success with!!
Even Gary says the Mineral Found just doesn't work for all skintypes, and that mostly its a fad in the market. (per his blog, you can search it)

I really have been benefitted by starting to show the color, because some women won't justify buying a body cream, but they will a lip color or mascara,because they use it every day!
And our mascara's are just as cheap as the one's @ wal-mart, and HELLO better quality!

I wonder if some of this will be discussed at our April success meetings?

hacketttroi, so true to all of what you said in your last 2 paragraphs, especially the last sentence... hit the nail on the head!

Tara
Personal web site of TARA E BRYANT, Independent BeautiControl Consultant (http://www.beautipage.com/tarabryant)

being a long timer I much prefer the older eye and cheek shadows to the minerals, and that includes Mary Kay and BC. Yes, I can't wear either one; cheeks are ok. I agree with Gary on the mineral foundation but sometimes women want what's not good for them.

Glad to see so many enthusiastic supporters of the product.

I think it's up to the company to seperate the colors into the cool warm because some of the lipsticks are boarderline.

I would love to see the makeup color coded. As a warm, my choices became more limited when they switched to the current system. Some colors LOOK All, but when I try them, it is clearly a cool color. It would just make it so much easier to have them coded. I know Gary said we were making more All colors but some are definitely cool or warm. I doubt bc will ever go back to that, but it really helps to guide clients especially when you are a new consultant.

I don't think any of this will be discussed at April meetings unless your Director is teaching your unit about color. It would be really beneficial for everyone to contact your upline and let them know you are interested in learning more about color application and color analysis. Contact everyone in your upline: director, Exec Director, National....let them know this is what you want. The more we learn, and sell makeup, the more hq will take notice and hopefully offer some support materials. (I don't have any upline at all, and my comments to hq seem to fall on deaf ears, so I have to count on you gals to speak for me). :)

Lady J, Thanks for sharing your preferences on minerals and nonminerals. I personally don't use the mineral foundation on myself as I need more coverage (the age thing, I guess!). I do love the mineral eyeshadows, blushes and lipsticks as they seem more true to color and are easy to sell even from a picture in the catalog. When I was in Branson, we were given some help regarding whether those products were warm, cool or neutral and could be used by both. I don't know if this info came from BC or from directors who had been with BC for years. I think that it is a good guideline for those that want to focus on that. Of course, we have clients who just love the colors and may wear one that is not necessarily in their season but goes with something trendy that they are wearing this Spring. Know what I mean? I think that it is great to share opinions as it makes me stop and remember that not all clients will agree with what I say, and that is okay, too. I just hope that I have something that they want and that it meets their needs.

What I have found to be true is that when a product is introduced, such as a lipstick, and it is a new formula, it seems that consultants and customers sometimes prefer the older one to the new one, whereas the new customer who never had tried to old one likes the new/current lipstick fine, since she is not making comparisons as we are.

I also don't use any mineral powder on my face. Talc, which might be a mineral for all I know, in the w/d is ok if I don't use to much--but it's great that you don't have to.

I agree we probably won't be seeing any "certification" of color analysis soon. But the spa trend in BC started somewhere and spread and I hope this does too!