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newlives
03-09-2006, 08:52 PM
hey i need some encouragement I am a district manager with no one to
manage (ha ha) i have a lot of wholesale buyers and have been able to
maintain the 2500 myself since i became district in jan but i have done it
since nov and have run out friends and family so i need some input i am
trying to do the results but cant find anyone to join me any ideas i also have
it in my salon which actually has yeilded not that much any ideas to get that
going would be helpful as well so please help me out!!
manage (ha ha) i have a lot of wholesale buyers and have been able to
maintain the 2500 myself since i became district in jan but i have done it
since nov and have run out friends and family so i need some input i am
trying to do the results but cant find anyone to join me any ideas i also have
it in my salon which actually has yeilded not that much any ideas to get that
going would be helpful as well so please help me out!!
nhgirl
03-10-2006, 04:12 AM
Have you listened to many of the Learn & Burns on the home site? They are really helpful and many of them have information about referrals, meeting people, and how sponsor.
cassandra
03-10-2006, 05:05 AM
referral are key to keeping it going. maybe go back to your clients and ask for reorders, and ask for referrals, people who they think would love the products/opportunity.
Soonergirl74
03-10-2006, 05:58 AM
OK, to this point how have you gotten your WBs? I know you said you were trying to do results now so were the ones before through parties? And which results approach are you planning or have been using?
There is a reason that so many are ending up as wb & not bb soyou need to figure out what that is. To do that we'll need a little more info as to what you've been doing to this point. Also, you should be figuring this out with your upline if possible. Let them know what you've been doing & see if they can help you with tweaking it.
As far as your salon, how are you showcasing the products? These products will not sell well in a retail type space if they are just sitting on display. You need to be using them on people & talking about them. People will naturally share information while they are getting their hair done so use that to your advantage. If a segueway naturally comes up for the products or the business bring it up. Don't bombard them of course but if there is a need that one or the other could fill let them know about it.
There is a reason that so many are ending up as wb & not bb soyou need to figure out what that is. To do that we'll need a little more info as to what you've been doing to this point. Also, you should be figuring this out with your upline if possible. Let them know what you've been doing & see if they can help you with tweaking it.
As far as your salon, how are you showcasing the products? These products will not sell well in a retail type space if they are just sitting on display. You need to be using them on people & talking about them. People will naturally share information while they are getting their hair done so use that to your advantage. If a segueway naturally comes up for the products or the business bring it up. Don't bombard them of course but if there is a need that one or the other could fill let them know about it.
Kiana's Mom
03-10-2006, 06:34 AM
I have also heard that some salons have a customer appreciation type night where specific customers are invited to attend a spa party. It is basically a class and ranges from doing the RE9 to doing a full blown foot spa, RE9, Aromatherapy deal.
Another thought is that you sign up your stylists and educate them on the products and have them use them whenever possible and of course promote them as Jennifer pointed out, based on the info they share. A huge part of this business is listening to peoples needs, sometimes asking the right questions to get them to share their situation. I used to have a manager who said you can't answer someone's prayers if you don't know what they are praying for.
Another thought is that you sign up your stylists and educate them on the products and have them use them whenever possible and of course promote them as Jennifer pointed out, based on the info they share. A huge part of this business is listening to peoples needs, sometimes asking the right questions to get them to share their situation. I used to have a manager who said you can't answer someone's prayers if you don't know what they are praying for.
newlives
03-10-2006, 07:18 AM
hey well as far as my wb i have been doing the results from day one and i
know every single one of them so calling them asking for referalls is a good
idea ! as far as the salon we do handcials and i was thinking about doing
party nights kind of like the regular parties but i though i would offer it as a
service sort of so i was hoping people would do that and as far as results i
know my team is full on with the 2500 pup package and now i am feeling
like thats a little pyramidish so i am trying to decide between the lgs and
results i know i shouldnt be reinenting the wheel but i need some help her
what do you guys do as far as packages for bb i think maybe i have scared
people off
know every single one of them so calling them asking for referalls is a good
idea ! as far as the salon we do handcials and i was thinking about doing
party nights kind of like the regular parties but i though i would offer it as a
service sort of so i was hoping people would do that and as far as results i
know my team is full on with the 2500 pup package and now i am feeling
like thats a little pyramidish so i am trying to decide between the lgs and
results i know i shouldnt be reinenting the wheel but i need some help her
what do you guys do as far as packages for bb i think maybe i have scared
people off
bbrown1226
03-10-2006, 07:38 AM
My upline does the 2500 push, and I am very against that. I don't think you are reinventing the wheel by not doing that b/c for years arbonne has not done it that way. Do what YOU are comfortable with. My philosphy is, yeah, you maybe will find 1-2 people to spend $2500, but how many others are you turning away completely who would have done very well with an arbonne business, but couldn't spend that much? Each person is different. I let them decide what package is best for them. I always tell them they can start w/ just $29, or add the $100 order to get the free product. Then, I show them the packages offered in Arbonnes results approach - either they arbonnize their home, or buy the results set (4 re9s), but I encourage them only to buy this set if they are ready to go and want DM right away. I always explain the maintainance requirement for keeping DM, and your situation is why. It is hard to maintain DM by yourself. I feel like too many consultants are being pushed to DM w/o proper training, and thinking that they will find BBs right away.
I definetly think you should call all of your wholesalers and ask for referrals, especially now that they have been using the products for a while and are excited about them. Whenever someone opens a wholesale account, I politely explain to them that I am giving up my 35% commission, but I am so happy to do that for them b/c that is not how I am growing my business. I grow my business by offering the wholesale option to MANY people, so I really need referrals. If this were me, I would also kinda apologize to them (if you have approached them also to spend $2500) and explain that you were so excited about your new business, and was just listening to the adivce given to you. But, now that you have had time to re evaluate, you would love to show them how anyone can do this business w/o such a large investment. Maybe by now, they will listen again. Just my 2 cents.
I definetly think you should call all of your wholesalers and ask for referrals, especially now that they have been using the products for a while and are excited about them. Whenever someone opens a wholesale account, I politely explain to them that I am giving up my 35% commission, but I am so happy to do that for them b/c that is not how I am growing my business. I grow my business by offering the wholesale option to MANY people, so I really need referrals. If this were me, I would also kinda apologize to them (if you have approached them also to spend $2500) and explain that you were so excited about your new business, and was just listening to the adivce given to you. But, now that you have had time to re evaluate, you would love to show them how anyone can do this business w/o such a large investment. Maybe by now, they will listen again. Just my 2 cents.
TH121
03-10-2006, 07:49 AM
I agree, Barbara, about many being pushed to make DM right away. My
upline is a bit pushy and I can tell they aren't happy with the way I
present the business end, but like I was told by them, it's MY
business, I can do with it how I want. I don't like pushing the $2500
either. I give many different options.
upline is a bit pushy and I can tell they aren't happy with the way I
present the business end, but like I was told by them, it's MY
business, I can do with it how I want. I don't like pushing the $2500
either. I give many different options.
bbrown1226
03-10-2006, 07:52 AM
Question TH121- is your upline still supporting you since you do not do that approach?
newlives
03-10-2006, 07:57 AM
thanks so much i feel the same way !! how would you guys think about
starting your own discover arbonne or whatever you want to call it if i have a
place (salon)that i can do it and just kinda put up flyers or spread the
wordthat i am doing it i would kind of do it expecting that i wont have any
one for a while but if i just was consistent in having it whats your thoughts !i
am in oregon and we dont really have to much going on i was thinking of
kind of lke classes makeup -re9 ect plus the business
starting your own discover arbonne or whatever you want to call it if i have a
place (salon)that i can do it and just kinda put up flyers or spread the
wordthat i am doing it i would kind of do it expecting that i wont have any
one for a while but if i just was consistent in having it whats your thoughts !i
am in oregon and we dont really have to much going on i was thinking of
kind of lke classes makeup -re9 ect plus the business
bbrown1226
03-10-2006, 08:02 AM
I will be starting my own soon. All of my upline lives out of state anyway. I think its a great idea! You may have weeks w/o no one, but eventually it will grow. My NVP started w/ just her and her 2 BBs in her backyard 3 years ago. Now, they rent a hotel meeting room and have hundreds show up weekly.
newlives
03-10-2006, 08:41 AM
well as far as my upline i have only talked to my sponser and all she really
ever says dont reinvent the wheel bc she does it just like they do ! thanks for
all of the replys they are so helpful and i am going to start my meetings
even if its just me !!
ever says dont reinvent the wheel bc she does it just like they do ! thanks for
all of the replys they are so helpful and i am going to start my meetings
even if its just me !!
TH121
03-10-2006, 08:43 AM
Barbara - yes, they are still very supportive, but they always throw in
"well, I think you would do so much better with this approach" at
times. My upline is awesome, though. I know I can count on them with
whatever I need or have questions.
"well, I think you would do so much better with this approach" at
times. My upline is awesome, though. I know I can count on them with
whatever I need or have questions.
Soonergirl74
03-10-2006, 08:52 AM
Look, no one should be pushing a 2500 start up on anyone. That is not the way this company does business. Yes, I know there are some ICs who do it but it is not in the spirit of the company.
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But if someone wants to sign up with that amount there is nothing wrong with it. Nor is there anything wrong, in my opinion, with giving them options of what they can sign up with & letting them decide. This is a business & as a business a person is going to need tools to get started. That means business aides & product.
When we are down to discussing this information with someone who is considering the business we make sure they understand the only requirement to join is the $29 plus tax & shipping. Outside of that they are going to have to decide how much they want to spend on tools. We let them know that the majority of people start out with anywhere from $500 to $3000. Some start with less, which is fine, we’ll meet them where they are.
The fact is that if you are doing this as a business there things that are affected by your start up order. The person who is starting a business has a right to understand & know that information. I want to set their expectations in reality. The reality is that someone who has a $100 retail start up order is going to have to do more to promote than someone who has a$2500 retail order. I do not want them thinking that they are going to just need to find 4 BBs & poof they’ll be ready to promote b/c that isn’t the case. 70-80% of your BBs will do what you do. So they need to understand that if they sign up with $100 order then so will a lot of their BBs. That means finding a lot more than 4 BBs whether it be direct to you or your people. They need to understand it’s going to take longer for them to promote. That’s just the facts.
So I explain the ripple effect to them. I explain duplication to them. I explain what this means big picture so they can make a decision on their own. That is my job, give them all the information so they can 1) make an educated decision & 2) I want their expectations to be correct. As long as I’ve done my job then I am fine with whatever they choose as a sign up, be it $100 or $3000.
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But if someone wants to sign up with that amount there is nothing wrong with it. Nor is there anything wrong, in my opinion, with giving them options of what they can sign up with & letting them decide. This is a business & as a business a person is going to need tools to get started. That means business aides & product.
When we are down to discussing this information with someone who is considering the business we make sure they understand the only requirement to join is the $29 plus tax & shipping. Outside of that they are going to have to decide how much they want to spend on tools. We let them know that the majority of people start out with anywhere from $500 to $3000. Some start with less, which is fine, we’ll meet them where they are.
The fact is that if you are doing this as a business there things that are affected by your start up order. The person who is starting a business has a right to understand & know that information. I want to set their expectations in reality. The reality is that someone who has a $100 retail start up order is going to have to do more to promote than someone who has a$2500 retail order. I do not want them thinking that they are going to just need to find 4 BBs & poof they’ll be ready to promote b/c that isn’t the case. 70-80% of your BBs will do what you do. So they need to understand that if they sign up with $100 order then so will a lot of their BBs. That means finding a lot more than 4 BBs whether it be direct to you or your people. They need to understand it’s going to take longer for them to promote. That’s just the facts.
So I explain the ripple effect to them. I explain duplication to them. I explain what this means big picture so they can make a decision on their own. That is my job, give them all the information so they can 1) make an educated decision & 2) I want their expectations to be correct. As long as I’ve done my job then I am fine with whatever they choose as a sign up, be it $100 or $3000.
Soonergirl74
03-10-2006, 09:09 AM
hey well as far as my wb i have been doing the results from day one and i
know every single one of them so calling them asking for referalls is a good
idea ! as far as the salon we do handcials and i was thinking about doing
party nights kind of like the regular parties but i though i would offer it as a
service sort of so i was hoping people would do that and as far as results i
know my team is full on with the 2500 pup package and now i am feeling
like thats a little pyramidish so i am trying to decide between the lgs and
results i know i shouldnt be reinenting the wheel but i need some help her
what do you guys do as far as packages for bb i think maybe i have scared
people off
OK, which results have you been doing? Are you doing the one from the website? Are you doing the Let’s Go Shopping one? Or are you doing Hannah’s approach? <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Are you just giving them the presentation or are you finding out what they truly need before you give them the information? Are you showing them how it can fit into their lives? When you say your team is full on with the 2500 package how do they go about that? Do they explain the options for start up or just tell them that is what they need to do?
know every single one of them so calling them asking for referalls is a good
idea ! as far as the salon we do handcials and i was thinking about doing
party nights kind of like the regular parties but i though i would offer it as a
service sort of so i was hoping people would do that and as far as results i
know my team is full on with the 2500 pup package and now i am feeling
like thats a little pyramidish so i am trying to decide between the lgs and
results i know i shouldnt be reinenting the wheel but i need some help her
what do you guys do as far as packages for bb i think maybe i have scared
people off
OK, which results have you been doing? Are you doing the one from the website? Are you doing the Let’s Go Shopping one? Or are you doing Hannah’s approach? <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Are you just giving them the presentation or are you finding out what they truly need before you give them the information? Are you showing them how it can fit into their lives? When you say your team is full on with the 2500 package how do they go about that? Do they explain the options for start up or just tell them that is what they need to do?
newlives
03-10-2006, 10:16 AM
well saying i havent spoke to anyone other then my sponser i am assuming
they do what she does and i think for me i am getting better as i go i think
at first i didnt know what i was doing when i went to pick up i feel like i
know more about the business then i did before but i still feel a little lost
when i go to do the pick up i at first was not really into the flip chart but
now i am begining to think i might do it just so i hit on all things i have the
lgs ,the results from arbonne the results from my team ,and hannahs notes
so i guess for me its picking which one i like i think to i want to combine all
of them which is probably part of my problem!ps from what you said
about how is my team doing it i think that the "this is how we get started"
sounds familiar
they do what she does and i think for me i am getting better as i go i think
at first i didnt know what i was doing when i went to pick up i feel like i
know more about the business then i did before but i still feel a little lost
when i go to do the pick up i at first was not really into the flip chart but
now i am begining to think i might do it just so i hit on all things i have the
lgs ,the results from arbonne the results from my team ,and hannahs notes
so i guess for me its picking which one i like i think to i want to combine all
of them which is probably part of my problem!ps from what you said
about how is my team doing it i think that the "this is how we get started"
sounds familiar
nhgirl
03-10-2006, 11:16 AM
.......
starting your own discover arbonne or whatever you want to call it if i have a
place (salon)that i can do it and just kinda put up flyers or spread the
wordthat i am doing it i would kind of do it expecting that i wont have any
one for a while but if i just was consistent in having it whats your thoughts !i
am in oregon and we dont really have to much going on i was thinking of
kind of lke classes makeup -re9 ect plus the business
What is Discover Arbonne? It sounds like a good idea!I'd love to hear more about it.
starting your own discover arbonne or whatever you want to call it if i have a
place (salon)that i can do it and just kinda put up flyers or spread the
wordthat i am doing it i would kind of do it expecting that i wont have any
one for a while but if i just was consistent in having it whats your thoughts !i
am in oregon and we dont really have to much going on i was thinking of
kind of lke classes makeup -re9 ect plus the business
What is Discover Arbonne? It sounds like a good idea!I'd love to hear more about it.
newlives
03-10-2006, 11:28 AM
WELL MY TEAM IN ATLANTA HAS THEM ALL OF THE TIME I DONT KNOW
WHAT IT IS BC I AM IN PORTLAND SO I HAVENT BEEN TO ONE BUT FROM
WHAT I HEAR ITS JUST A BUSINESS PRES. PUT ON BY SOMEONE AND THEN
THE REST OF THE TEAM CAN BRING RECRUTS TO IT HEAR ABOUT IT I THINK
BUT AGIAN I AM NOT SURE BUT I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHERE PEOPLE CALL IT
THAT AN DTHEN THEY DO LIKE WHAT I SAID PLUS PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
ECT THATS WHAT I AM THINKING FOR MY SELF IS RE9 AND MAKEUP CLASSES
ECT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME SINCE I DONT HAVE ANYONE TO TRAIN AND
THEN AS I GET PEOPLE ILL DO A COMBO OF BOTH
WHAT IT IS BC I AM IN PORTLAND SO I HAVENT BEEN TO ONE BUT FROM
WHAT I HEAR ITS JUST A BUSINESS PRES. PUT ON BY SOMEONE AND THEN
THE REST OF THE TEAM CAN BRING RECRUTS TO IT HEAR ABOUT IT I THINK
BUT AGIAN I AM NOT SURE BUT I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHERE PEOPLE CALL IT
THAT AN DTHEN THEY DO LIKE WHAT I SAID PLUS PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
ECT THATS WHAT I AM THINKING FOR MY SELF IS RE9 AND MAKEUP CLASSES
ECT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME SINCE I DONT HAVE ANYONE TO TRAIN AND
THEN AS I GET PEOPLE ILL DO A COMBO OF BOTH
Soonergirl74
03-10-2006, 12:09 PM
well saying i havent spoke to anyone other then my sponser i am assuming
they do what she does and i think for me i am getting better as i go i think
at first i didnt know what i was doing when i went to pick up i feel like i
know more about the business then i did before but i still feel a little lost
when i go to do the pick up i at first was not really into the flip chart but
now i am begining to think i might do it just so i hit on all things i have the
lgs ,the results from arbonne the results from my team ,and hannahs notes
so i guess for me its picking which one i like i think to i want to combine all
of them which is probably part of my problem!ps from what you said
about how is my team doing it i think that the "this is how we get started"
sounds familiar
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Yes, it is easy to get overwhelmed with all the approaches. There is no right or wrong one. They all work for someone, it’s just a matter of which fits you best. Once you know then stick with that one. Consistency is so important other wise it’s hard to duplicate. And I totally get the urge to want to combine them, lol. I think that’s natural since they have some overlapping elements. It would just be way to overwhelming for prospects!
You might feel better about the $2500 start order if you are going about it in a different way. Giving the options & explaining the results of each option.. Then letting them decide what to do…never forcing or giving that as the only way.
Sounds like you are working out the right track for you. smileys/smiley1.gif
Typically the discover meetings are what we used to call the biz opportunity meetings. We aren't supposed to call them that anymore though.
they do what she does and i think for me i am getting better as i go i think
at first i didnt know what i was doing when i went to pick up i feel like i
know more about the business then i did before but i still feel a little lost
when i go to do the pick up i at first was not really into the flip chart but
now i am begining to think i might do it just so i hit on all things i have the
lgs ,the results from arbonne the results from my team ,and hannahs notes
so i guess for me its picking which one i like i think to i want to combine all
of them which is probably part of my problem!ps from what you said
about how is my team doing it i think that the "this is how we get started"
sounds familiar
<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Yes, it is easy to get overwhelmed with all the approaches. There is no right or wrong one. They all work for someone, it’s just a matter of which fits you best. Once you know then stick with that one. Consistency is so important other wise it’s hard to duplicate. And I totally get the urge to want to combine them, lol. I think that’s natural since they have some overlapping elements. It would just be way to overwhelming for prospects!
You might feel better about the $2500 start order if you are going about it in a different way. Giving the options & explaining the results of each option.. Then letting them decide what to do…never forcing or giving that as the only way.
Sounds like you are working out the right track for you. smileys/smiley1.gif
Typically the discover meetings are what we used to call the biz opportunity meetings. We aren't supposed to call them that anymore though.
alldeckedout
03-10-2006, 05:13 PM
Why don't you take your upline or sideline with you on pickups. I have seen tremendous results using an upline or sideline with me on pickups. It lends more credibility when you have 2 people present, and there maybe something you could improve on, while listening to your upline/sideline speak to your prospect! Hope that helps! smileys/smiley1.gifEdited by: alldeckedout
mykidsaremywhy
03-12-2006, 04:22 PM
My upline works by training, training, training, constantly...our NVP very much stresses the idea ofyou needing the meeting if you're down, or the meeting needing you if you're up. Our region/nation lives by Hannah's approach, Learn and Burns, usingsuccess stories within our group to motivate others, and working as a team. I'm new, but my RVP, who is a friend of mine that just got me started, has done this approach and it's worked well for her; she started a year ago next month, and is getting her MB the first week of May. If this isn't an approach your upline already uses, it may be worth running it by them. smileys/smiley1.gif
newlives
03-12-2006, 05:16 PM
I have her notes and i listened to the calls does anyone have any other
training that i could like bc right away even when i listened to her call i liked
it and as far as meetings i have never been to one bc i live on the west coast
and my team is on the east coast so i know there are meetings here i just
didnt know if i could go since i am not on their team
training that i could like bc right away even when i listened to her call i liked
it and as far as meetings i have never been to one bc i live on the west coast
and my team is on the east coast so i know there are meetings here i just
didnt know if i could go since i am not on their team
cassandra
03-12-2006, 07:50 PM
the true spirit of Arbonne is to welcome any and all consultants to trainings, regardless of whose team you are on. see if someone in your upline can help you find local training to go to.
