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Okay, I know that Arbonne is not "all natural", and really is there any thing that truly is? Also, I would love to hear how you respond to this, if people ask you, "is it all natural?" tiasmileys/smiley2.gif Edited by: mello-lello

This is what I used to say: "Arbonne products are not completely
organic or chemical-free if that is what you mean by natural. They are
however, cruelty-free products made with high quality, pure, plant
derived ingredients that are found naturally in nature with a very low
amount of preservatives!"

Good job Cheryl!smileys/smiley2.gif

Cheryl, what do you say NOW?


Blessed One

I still say the same thing when people ask me about Arbonne.



Actually, let me re-state that. I still say the same thing when people ask me if Arbonne is natural. smileys/smiley2.gif


Edited by: cvkjafra

Got ya.


Blessed One

http://www.wahm.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifArbonne combines botanical and "few" quimicalelements to bring a better product to you.Edited by: Amherst

Wow! I am surprised that Arbonne products are not "all natural" I guess I figured they were or atleast with not preservatives/chemicalssmileys/smiley5.gif


My sister-in-law just started selling them and I wonder if she knows this because she told me that they were! Or should I say she is into healthy, natural things like myself.


I guess I will need to inform her of this!


Thanks for letting me know!


Amber

Amber,


Arbonne combines the best of science and nature using the least amount of preservatives, less than 2%, to keep the product to last longer than 5 days on your shelf, but also keep it safe and beneficial for use. I would be surprised if Shaklee used no preservatives at all.


"Shaklee utilizes the best nature and science can provide." Quoted from Shaklee's website. It seems both companies have the same philosphies and provide products that can be used in any healthy lifestyle.

I was going to say the same thing, Barbara. I have a friend (who interestestingly enough is now a Shaklee consultant) who used to make her own shampoo and skin products. She had to keep them in the refigerator because they don't last. They would turn rancid or moldy. "all natural" is a myth if things are mass produced and have any kind of shelf life.


She had to get ingredients and make new stuff every couple of weeks. She loves arbonne, but likes the home cleaning products and protein shakes from Shaklee better. I like them, too. So we support each other and appreciate that both companies have similar philosophies and policies.

Hi There~


I just want you to know that I was not intending to put Arbonne down for the "all natural" situation I was just surprised! Since my sister-in-law is starting to sell it I think she should know what is true and not true.


Regarding the preservative situation Shaklee actually does have many products that are "preservative free" and here is a quote from one of our leading scientists on the matter..................





Shaklee Personal Care Products with No Preservative:


Several of the products we now market have no preservatives at all. This is possible because of the commitment of Shaklee's scientists to research in product preservation. They are:

<LI =Msonormal>Enfuselle® Hydrating Toner
<LI =Msonormal>Enfuselle® Acne Clarifying Complex
<LI =Msonormal>Enfuselle® Purifying Toner
<LI =Msonormal>Enfuselle® C+E Repair PM
<LI =Msonormal>Enfuselle® Lip Treatment SPF-15
<LI =Msonormal>ProSante(tm) Revitalizing Shampoo
<LI =Msonormal>ProSante(tm) Purifying Shampoo
<LI =Msonormal>ProSante(tm) Finishing Hair Spray
<LI =Msonormal>Shaklee Essentials® Deodorant Cream
<LI =Msonormal>Shaklee Essentials® Desert Wind® Roll-On Deodorant
<LI =Msonormal>Herbal Spring® Deodorant Stick
<LI =Msonormal>Minerelles(tm) Pressed Powder
<LI =Msonormal>Minerelles(tm) Lip Pencil
<LI =Msonormal>Minerelles(tm) Eye Pencil
<LI =Msonormal>Minerelles(tm) Blush </LI>
<H1 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left>Noted for Research in Product Preservation:</H1>
<H1 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left>When the Enfuselle line was developed in 1998, Shaklee scientists wanted to make sure that sensitization and allergy to the product would be kept to a minimum. To this end Shaklee partnered with the University of California San Francisco to develop a special test to evaluate each ingredient that went into each formulation, including the ingredients that keep the formulas fresh. There were two exciting results. First was a presentation in 1999 to the American Academy of Dermatology: Development and Use of a Diagnostic Test to Reduce the Potential of Irritation from Topically Applied Products, James A. Greene, M.S., Shaklee Corporation, Richard L. Roberts, Ph.D., R.L. Roberts and Associates, and Howard I. Maibach, M.D., PhD, Department of Dermatology University of California San Francisco. </H1>
The second is US Patent 6,120,758 Preservative System for Topically Applied Products. The patent states that the system patented.... Prevents the growth of bacteria, yeasts, and molds without irritation of the skin....
James A. Greene M.S., Shaklee Corporation

I do agree with both of you that I am sure Arbonne and Shaklee have many similarities and I am happy to see that your friend anet and yourself can support each other in your businesses! That is greatsmileys/smiley1.gif
Thanks for being honest in your threads and I again hope you guys have a great day and Happy Thanksgiving!
Take care!
Amber

Thanks for the info. Amber! I have a friend myself who sells Shaklee and that is where I purchase my cleaning supplies.


So, are ALL shaklee products preservative free? Since I am not a scientist myselfsmileys/smiley2.gif, I cannot understand how you can have a face lotion w/ no preservatives w/o it turning on you. I would be very interested to know what keeps the products fresh (or is this the patented secretsmileys/smiley2.gif)

Hi Barbara!


Just to be safe I am going to say that I am sure not all of the products are "preservative free" but I do knowbut Shaklee does have the ones that I sent in the post and that is a huge majority of our skin treatment products! For 50 years now Shaklee has done whatever possible (lots of money) to go the extra mile and make products that are not going to harm the body or the environment thus all the patents that we have!


Regarding how things are kept "preservative free" I too am not a scientist but again in my post it sounds like Shaklee and the Univ. of CA, San Francisco found two possible results and were able to patent how they work so as to get the "preservative free" status on those products!


So glad you are using our cleaning products too, Barbara, it really makes the environment a safer place!


Can you also tell me just cause I am seriously just wanting to know for myself -- what kind of return policy does Arbonne have on their products? I thought I read that it is 45 days -- is this correct?


Thanks for writing back, Barbara!


Take care!


Amber

Amber, couple of questions for you, you've peaked my curiosity...
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Hi Cassandra!


Thanks for your questions!!


Shaklee does not use any animal products or by products in anything that we produce!!! Regarding the pH level of our toners they are in the range of 5.5-6.0.


I hope this is helpful to you and thanks again for inquiring!


Amber

Hey Amber,


The return policy is 45 days; however, I have had a few situations when Arbonne replaced a product way over the 45 day mark! My cousin went on an airplane and her bronzing powder broke in her luggage six months after she purchased it. Arbonne replaced it w/ no questions asked. Just one example. They really strive for customer, or consultant, satisfaction.


I truly think Arbonne and Shaklee offer amazing products, and I would never tell someone to stop using Shaklee in place of Arbonne. It is all a matter of personal preference. I think it comes down to which one do you want to sell? I have a new consultant that has sold Shaklee in the past. She still loves the product, but she said she did not get commission on the cleaning products, and that was the majority of her purchases and sales. Maybe you can confirm this Amber.

That is really too bad because I don't know why she wouldn't be receiving a commission on the cleaning products -- I do and so do others who sell the product!


Something sounds weird there, Barbara! Shaklee would not keep money that is due to someone for any reason! Unless, her upline was doing the bonuses instead of Shaklee and if that were the case then I would say she needs to check that out with them. We (Shaklee) would never have been around for almost 50 years if they were not paying out commission checks/bonuses to those who had it coming to them!


Hope this is helpful!


Amber

I didn't think it made sense either. She just told me yesterday. Do you have to sell a certain amount to get your commission? I don't know how actively she was selling product. She told me between her mom and her orders, it would be about $200 a month and she never received any commission for the orders and they were for cleaning products. She said she was told that she wouldn't get commission on the cleaning products. I asked her why that would be since that is a very popular purchase???

Ok now it is making sense -- Everyone gets paid a commission or bonus based on "every" product that is sold. Shaklee has a minimum requirement that you personally must purchase a 100 point order/month to get paid a bonus and the group points must be atleast 250 points (100 points is your own and the remaining 150 is your other clients). So if her group averaged maybe 150-175 points based on the total of $200 spent then "No" she would not of received a bonus but it is not that Shaklee would not pay her it it is she did not get to the requirement that month!


So in a way she is maybe not giving the whole story here because Shaklee pays bonuses on every product sold but in order to receive bonuses you must meet the minimum (in my estimation very simple requirement if you are "truly" using Shaklee products) requirement! Her upline should of shared this with her too!


Hope this clears it up a little!


Amber

Amber, I looked at several of your nutrition labels and they have gelatin capsules. Can you tell me where the gelatin is derived from if not from animal?

Yes, that makes sense. Even with Arbonne, you do not get your override commission w/o a $100 retail order ($65 cost) under your i.d. every month which is easy to get if you are an active consultant and product of the product. You always keep the 35% discount no matter how much you sell (or don't sell)

My friend who has joined up with Shaklee has had the same frustration with the comission structure. THe points are not based on dollar amounts, some products are worth more points, SO in order to get 250 points she said it was difficult. She was just buying for personal use and her mom and a relatives as well. Even if she was 1 point away from it, she would get nothing, but her upline still got paid on it, as it contributed towards her volume. She said she never understood it or she woulnd't have signed up, she felt like her upline shaded the truth. She was grilling me about our compensation plan and isn't sure she is going to stick with the Shaklee thing.

Wow...this is interesting. SoArbonne's pay structure is better than what other companies offer? I thought it was a bit complicated, but this other one being talked aboutseems even MORE complicated. smileys/smiley5.gif Anyone get the lowdown on the gelatin yet?

Anyone get the lowdown on the gelatin yet?


not yet


Yuck!
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Gelatin (also gelatine) is a translucent brittle solid substance, colorless or slightly yellow, nearly tasteless and odorless, which is created by prolonged boiling of animal skin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin) and connective tissue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connective_tissue). It has many uses in food, medicine, and manufacturing.Edited by: cassandra

There are capsules called veg-caps, or veggie caps made from veretable
sources. Don't know if this is what Shaklee usses, but it is fairly common in
nat food stores. I prefer the veg caps to tablet form supplements,
personally.

USP

http://www.shaklee.net/pws/library/products/20234_label.pdf


http://www.shaklee.net/pws/library/products/20645_label.pdf


http://www.shaklee.net/pws/library/products/20649_label.pdf


each of these 3 list gelatin...





Shaklee does not use any animal products or by products in anything that we produce!!!


Amber





so where does the gelatin come from if not from animal?smileys/smiley5.gif

Cassandra~


I apologize for not getting back to you sooner but I honestly did not know the answer to your question about the gelatin capsules and needed to find out right from Shaklee and to my surprise the capsules are made from gelatin that I guess is derived from animals. When I posted that our products are not made from animals I sincerely didn't think so but I was told that Shaklee is considering the veggie caps but has not yet made the switch. Keep in mind Cassandra that it all comes down to clinical studies and how do the supplements work in the body.Shaklee has been doing clinical studies and has spent lots of money on research for many years so please understand that I was misinformed on the gelatin but that doesn't mean our supplements are not superior to most products on the market because they "truly" are! Clinical studies will prove that to anyone! I can tell you that we do no animal testing and that is kind of what I was referring to in my earlier post as well!


So what does Arbonne use for their capsules since I couldn't find any information on the site as to a label or library or anything?


Can you also tell me does Arbonne do any clinical testing on their products? If so where might I find the studies?


Jannie~


I encourage you to take a look at pay structures and compensation plans before you come to any conclusions because I have been told through a personal testimony from two friends doing Shaklee and Arbonne that the same amount of volume for example 3000 volume in Arbonne will pay you $300 but in Shaklee it will pay youanywhere from$1500 depending on what is sold at retail etc. Point being make sure you check into things fully! I do have the personal testimony on email if you are interested in seeing it just so you don't think I am makingthe numbersup, Ok?


Take care and have a great night you guys!


Amber



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http://www.arbonne.com/product_pages/the_products.asp (http://www.arbonne.com/product_pages/the_products.asp)


(note- no animal products or by products)





http://www.arbonne.com/product_pages/product_after.asp (http://www.arbonne.com/product_pages/product_after.asp)


(note- vegetarian capsules) other nutritionals are not capsule form





we do the RIPT at zero standard (meaning no one in the test/study can have a negative reaction), whether it's 'posted' anywhere or not, I'll have to research that.


Amber, you love your products, we love ours.smileys/smiley2.gif When you come to our folder and post about your products, we naturally are going to come to the defense of our products.smileys/smiley9.gif You would do the same a folder for your company. Do you Agree?smileys/smiley1.gif


As far as comp plans go.... you said about 3000 retail... That of course, depends on the level each consultant is, and on how they "sell" for retail profit, or not. If I am District Manager sell products for retail profit plus overrides, I will make 1206 if I were to personally sell3000 in products at retail.

Also, you would make the commission w/ Arbonne for any retail sold, not just certain products w/ point value. For every dollar spent, you get paid.


Amber, the quote you were given is for override volume only. We also make 35% comission on retail sold. Many consultants choose to allow their clients to become consultants/wholesale buyers themselves, since you do not have any quotas to maintain to keep your discount. For $29, anyone can become a consultant w/ no obligation to buy or sell. This is giving up your "right now" commission of 35%, but you are building a business of repeat buyers who order for themselves whenever and you receive residual income (getting paid over and over for the work you did once). The higher you goin Arbonne, the greater your override percentage is. People are building very successful businesses this way. I offer the wholesale option (letting people know Arbonne considers them a consultant), and get both retail clients and wholesale clients. So far, several of my wholesale clients have decided to do the business!


Basically, like Cassandra said, you love your products, we love ours. Both companies offer wonderful products that people have been using for years. Like I said before, I would never tell anyone to switch from one to another. I am passionate about our products and business opportunity and I am sure you are too!smileys/smiley2.gifBest of luck in your Shaklee business!Edited by: bbrown1226

Cassandra~


So does Arbonne have labels or anything to serve as proof on the website versus just saying that they don't have animal by products in their stuff? Nice to see actual labels!!!


Also, I wasn't clear on whether or not Arbonne does any clinical studies of any kind -- can you clear that up for me?


Regarding coming to the Arbonne forum I thought that Arbonne's claim was that they are "all natural" and I have actually seen it on the website too so I just thought I would post a question to all of you! Like I have been saying my SIL is with Arbonne and she and all her friends keep stating that they are "all natural" products. Which I have now come to find out that they are infact not stating the "truth" even when it comes to preservatives! I think you should just realize that when you have a forum like this that other people are going to comment and that is OK! I think that you should be able to post what the truth is without getting defensive!!! It would be one thing if I was coming in making false claims but I was just wanting to confirm what the truth was regarding Arbonne!


I think it is good and wise for Arbonne and Shaklee reps to definitely be passionate and love your product but I also think it is important to not get defensive when others are asking questions regarding the products like you and I have done with each other!


I appreciate that you love Arbonne and I sincerely respect that and wish all of you the very best in your businesses and I hope you will do the same for me!


Please let me know about the clinical studies and the labels because it would be very helpful for those of us comparing products and quality!





Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!


Amber

Amber, if you want to compare products, perhaps the best course of
action would be to pair up with a consultant (maybe your SIL). Arbonne
provides all information on ingredients and how they are derived,
but some of the product knowlege is only available to consultants. This
is the information consultants provide to clients when working with
them, so if you want the same info, you'll need to work with a
consultant.



Just for the record, Arbonne has always provided the truth. It is other
consutlants who stray from it. They really need to stick closely to the
training materials Arbonne has provided.


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Edited by: chrlstoncharmed

So does Arbonne have labels or anything to serve as proof on the website versus just saying that they don't have animal by products in their stuff? Nice to see actual labels!!! pm me with your email and I can send you ingredients lists


Also, I wasn't clear on whether or not Arbonne does any clinical studies of any kind -- can you clear that up for me? studies and tests are done, whether they are published/posted I'm not sure, as I said before, I will find out, I have posted the question to home office.


Regarding coming to the Arbonne forum I thought that Arbonne's claim was that they are "all natural" and I have actually seen it on the website too so I just thought I would post a question to all of you!Arbonne has neverclaimed to be "all natural", I doubt you saw thaton theArbonne website. Like I have been saying my SIL is with Arbonne and she and all her friends keep stating that they are "all natural" products.Your sil is wrong and needs to do some of the training modules at www.ArbonneUniversity.com (http://www.arbonneuniversity.com/)Which I have now come to find out that they are infact not stating the "truth" even when it comes to preservatives!I'm sure she is misguided about the "allnatural" thing,that's not an uncommon thing to have happen bynew consultants. That is not Arbonne's stand.I think you should just realize that when you have a forum like this that other people are going to comment and that is OK!yes, you are correct I think that you should be able to post what the truth is without getting defensive!!! butif inaccurate information is posted,it's not being defensive to post the correct information. It would be one thing if I was coming in making false claims but I was just wanting to confirm what the truth was regarding Arbonne!


I think it is good and wise for Arbonne and Shaklee reps to definitely be passionate and love your product but I also think it is important to not get defensive when others are asking questions regarding the products like you and I have done with each other! I have only tried to post correct information.


I appreciate that you love Arbonne and I sincerely respect that and wish all of you the very best in your businesses and I hope you will do the same for me! Of course!


Please let me know about the clinical studies and the labels because it would be very helpful for those of us comparing products and quality!





Have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Same to you! Happy Thanksgiving!

Can you guys tell why there aren't labels on the website for the public to see and not just consultants? It is nice for me when I am selling products to clients to send them to the labels so they can see not only the ingredient content but also mg's etc.


Here is one quote that I did see at the website:


"Arbonne Bio-Nutria<SUP>®</SUP> products are convenient, safe, natural and backed by the latest scientific research. Every product is formulated with your good health and wellness in mind."


Just to clear this up, Cassandra, that it isn't just my SIL that I am hearing the "all natural"/ "natural" thing from it is other people that have heard it from seminars, meetings, even here on WAHM at this forum on this thread! Just very confusing when false claims are put out there and others are repeating it!


I look forward to hearing back what Arbonne says about the clinical studies and I would like to see some labels like regarding the capsules that Arbonne uses (what they are made out of) -- I will pm you Cassandra! Thanks!


Amber

The only capsules Arbonne has are vegetarian, most of nutritionals are in tablet form.


This is directly from www.arbonne.com (http://www.arbonne.com) and it is pretty clear on whether the product lines are natural or not.



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• pH correct: Skin care pH of 5.5 insures maximum benefit.


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• Formulated without animal products or by-products: Plants and
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Cassandra!


What is really interesting about this quote on the website "Without colors, starch, yeast, caffeine, preservatives or salt"
is it says no preservatives but earlier Barbara said that you do have 2% preservatives in your product so I am a little confused here! Can you help me on this one?


Thanks!


Amber

they are not talking about the entire product line...


All of Arbonne’s dietary supplements are formulated:
• To meet U.S. Pharmacopeia (USP) disintegration time
standards (30 minutes)
• Without colors, starch, yeast, caffeine, preservatives or salt
• To provide maximum absorption with highly bio-available ingredients


the other product lines have preservatives (skin care, hair, aromatherapy, etc)

I gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up!


Happy cooking and thanks for sending me the emails.


See you...............


Amber


P.S. I tried clicking on your link in your siggy and it just gave me the page error message! Just thought you might want to correct that, OK? Maybe it just wasn't working the one time -- you know how computer things go!

thanks! the picture link works though

Just waiting for my pumpkin pie to finish baking!smileys/smiley2.gifThought I'd check into the discussion.


Cassandra, I am sorry I confused you about the preservatives. I was referring to our skincare line and I should have pointed that out. Also, many companies can claim "natural." Arbonne does not say ALL natural, but natural b/c we have mostly natural ingredients in our products. Yes, their are consultants saying ALL natural, but they are misguided and you will not hear or find that from Arbonne directly.


Arbonne counts on its consultants to be trained correctly. That is why consultants have all kinds of free training available through the website to make sure all consultants are on the same page. We have quite an extensive listing of product ingredients, and they depend on the individual consultants to educate their clients. Kinda the purpose of network marketing. If you do not get the ingredient list for the capsules, let me know and I would be happy to send it to you.


HAPPY THANKSGIVING LADIES! Don't eat too much!smileys/smiley2.gif

sorry, butI wasn't confused at all!smileys/smiley9.gif

Arbonne counts on its consultants to be trained
correctly. That is why consultants have all kinds of free training
available through the website to make sure all consultants are on the
same page. We have quite an extensive listing of product ingredients,
and they depend on the individual consultants to educate their clients.</span> Kinda the purpose of network marketing.</span>



That is exactly </span>why Arbonne
doesn't list all the product ingredients and further products knowledge
isn't made available on the website. Arbonne has stated time and again
that this is a person-to-person</span> business.



Happy Thanksgiving Ladies! smileys/smiley1.gif

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But obviously those that maybe don't know anything about Arbonne could take that as a way of hiding ingredients too! Also for new people looking at Arbonne it is usually very essential to many people that they see product labels for health reasons etc. Needing to know mg's, calories, carbs, with or without vitamin K etc.


I have many people that I work with who I can navigate to my website or even if they get there before Iget a chance to talk with them,they can see the labels, clinical studies, talk sheets etc. without them having to feel one way or another! They can do it at their own pace!


I think it is just a nice, quick, availablefeature that Shaklee offers and that is why I was wondering why Arbonne if they didn't have it why not for the general public.


I agree with the one-on-one or person-to-person business and sharing product/business info. with clients but I also know I can't cover all the ingredients in every product that they may be looking at plus the businessin one sitting. Unfortunately, people do not have that kind of time today so having it available whether it is lengthy or not may not be a concern of theirs if they can see it on their own time!


Anyway, I personally from seeing your website whetherI am with Shaklee or notwas just not knowing if there were labels available or not and that is why I was asking. I am inquiring for myself and just curious! So now I know there are not any lables available atleast at the website but if I want to know any ingredient lables I have to ask a consultant. Thanks!


Take care~


Amber

That is what a consultant is for. It doesnot take memuch time toprint/ show someone the ingredient listing for a product they are interested in. It is good for you that you chose Shaklee since you do not have the time to sit down and inform each of your clients what ingredients are in the products. Maybe that is why you didn't know your capsules were made from Gelatin. I am not trying to be rude, just factual, like you have been trying to be ... factual, even though many statements you have made we have shown you to be incorrect. I think I am done w/ this topic now. We could go back and forth about why Shaklee does it this way, and why Arbonne does it that way. They are both great companies with awesome products. If you have a problem w/ Arbonne's way of business, well that is o.k. b/c you are with Shaklee. I think your sister needs to follow the training given on Arbonne's website so she can be completely informed about Arbonne's stance on being "natural", not "all natural", using no animal products or by-products, and how to find the ingredient listings so she can show you directly. It is not difficult for her to find this information. Best of luck in your Shaklee business.

Not wanting to get too much into the middle of this, but no consultant is supposed to say, Natural with Arbonne. Arbonne claims to be Pure, Safe &amp; Beneficial. Pure as in the quality of herbs and other ingredients it chooses. They make sure the items are not around DEET or other harmful chemicals. Safe as in they use the smallest amount of the safest ingredients to keep the products from turning rancid (rotten) and becoming unsafe. They do have expiration dates. Beneficial because they won't sell it if it doesn't do what they claim it does.


Ann Phelps :)