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ok in the begining i said i was gonna get 6 folks & then i was gonna start placing people under people. well fri i got my 6 person so now i feel i should start putting people under people. i have3 people who are suppose to sign up this week so i should place them under others but here is the delimia what if one of them really takes off. no i should do what i said & not change things mid stream right. after all we dont ask God for something & then when we receive change & add more extras to the package, ok so yes i am guiltly of that as well but this i should stay accord to plans.


thanks for letting me vent. any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated.


thanks again

Remember, the fat lady goes to the beach! In other words get a s wide as you are deep. I would not stack if I were you... Just my preference - but what if one of your 6 gives up? it does happen. Or, which is what is happening in my case - they are not building fast enough!


Keri

The thing withbuilding deepthough Keri is that your people direct to you are less likely to give up and more likely to be inspired to build faster with people placed under them. This way there is less chance of them quitting and more chance of them striving to reach qualifications. Tootsie, I would give your 6 an incentive for them to 'earn' the new person. This way, no hard feelings amongst your team.

I wouldn't give recruits away. You need to teach your 6 to get their
own but I wouldn't give them away. It sets a precident that they will
expect you to do this from now on. You are right, what if one of those
you give away just starts booming? You benifit but not near as much as
if they were direct. What if one of your current 6 stops being a
business builder? Then you are down a directline. I wouldn't say you
are taking back something. Did you tell your 6 recruits that you were
going to do this? If so and they say something about it, just tell them
that you have since learned that is not the best way to lead your team
and that you are there to help them find their own recruits but it
would not be in their best interest, in the long run, to just give them
recruits. Also, who would be training and leading those recruits? You
because they came to you to recruit, not your downline. So then you are
workind really hard to train them and promote them but not getting the
full benifits of it.

This is what is so great about this business, you can work it how you want and how it will fit into your life. If you have time to work withmore people directly then do it, but if you don't have the time/energy to work directly with more people, then you have the option of building depth instead of width. Personally, I think this is a great way to teach your directs to become leaders by giving them someone to lead. They will want to help those under them because it helps them. You don't want anyone in your downline feeling abandoned or left out which can easily happen (personally speaking here) when you havetoo many directs.

thanks for all the input. i dont know what diredt i am going to go in just yet. i understand the reasoning for both ways so i am at about a 50/50 on whcih direction. i will know for sure within the next several days. i'll let ya know how it is working whcih ever way i go.


i do feel like it would be great for morale to place people under people but i also dont want them to expect that i will be doing this for them all the time.


thanks again


toots

You want your team to understand how to get people on their own, and you also want to build wide as well as deep. I've learned you can't drag people across the finish line, no matter how much potential you think they have. I made the mistake of signing up my former nanny's fiancee under her instead of under me--he is doing much more activity than she is, and she is doing nothing. Had I signed him up direct to me, I would have had 4 business builders direct to me instead of just three.


What I do is sign up all consultants that are my immediate prospects direct to me. Once someone signs up and is ready to work their business, I immediately set up a strategymeeting and help them do their StartNow workbook. We schedule two business launches for them within the next 2 weeks, usually one on a Thursday night and the other on a Saturday afternoon. We send out cute invitations with both dates listed, and when she calls to follow up, she asks them WHICH date is more convenient for them. As a result, we've gone from an average of 3 guests per 50 invited to 10 guests per 50 invited. That's 20 guests for both launches, and we're signing up 2-3 per launch. Usually 1-2 of those are business builders. My team has grown to 18 people in 2.5 months, of which 3 are my own business builders and 4 are my SuccessLine's business builders. The rest are $100 consultants. We also followup with all guests as potential retail buyers.


I help my team find and train their new consultants, but I also keepmy focus on building my own direct width. As someone said upthread, Cecilia Stoll said you have to be fat (wide) to go to the beach!

6 direct bb's...



boy i envy your situation.. smileys/smiley2.gif

As Cassandra said, what's great about this business is that there are so many ways to do it &amp; you can do what works best for you. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P>


I'm going to share what I've learned from going both ways. Cassandra makes great points about the motivational aspects of it. If you've read Don Faila's book then you understand the concept of starting a fire. Dani Johnson also talks about this. However, it's an art &amp; as such it may not always go perfectly. You have to have it clear as to how you are going to do it. <O:P></O:P>


There are a few no brainers out there such as if a person refers someone to you then if they are signed up, even as a personal shopper, it's smart to put their friend underneath them instead of direct to you. One, it's only fair since they brought them to you &amp; also there may come a day when they do want to do the business &amp; it would be nice if their warm market is already under them. Otherwise who will they talk to about the business when the time comes? Also, this might nudge them towards wanting to do the business. There are many VPs who started out as personal shoppers with no intention of doing the business so it happens. If they don’t do the business then it still doesn’t hurt you in the least. If a situation arises, such as the one redundant2 (love the name by the way) mentions then that is fine. The person who is working the business will pass up the personal shopper they are under &amp; end up direct to you anyway. <O:P></O:P>


Also, it can be a good idea if you have a group of people who would have the same contacts &amp; you put them under each other. Such as family members. I signed up my MIL &amp; my niece (her granddaughter) at the same time. I should’ve put one under the other so they are a team b/c since I signed them up they have both decided to do the business. Now we’ve had to split the family so they both have some. And they really can’t help each other with their numbers. Lesson learned. My BF &amp; I signed up at the same time but luckily my sponsor put us under one another. That way we didn’t compete for our friends, we both got he benefits of people we know. We’ve also been able to really motivate each other &amp; help each other out with volume when we need to. It would’ve been a nightmare if we were sidelines, especially considering that our sponsor quit. <O:P></O:P>


Maybe you are recruiting in a town that is 3 hours away. It might be a good idea if you put them all on a leg so they can work as a team &amp; you don’t have to train all of them separately. There is only one of you &amp; it helps to have other people who can train some of your downline. You can’t expect them to do that with a sideline of theirs so it’s only fair to put them on one leg.<O:P></O:P>


Having said that, if you are going to place strangers under each other then you MUST make sure it’s ok with both parties. First, make sure you have your tabletop secure before you do this. It’s not a good idea to start placing people under others when you don’t have enough legs yourself. (Which is why the goal of 6 was great) Then you will end up being lopsided &amp; having some work faster than others is going to hurt you temporarily until you catch up. Learned this the hard way. <O:P></O:P>


Also make sure that the person who is getting the prospect understands that they are going to be expected to help that prospect even though, technically, they were your prospect. They should never get the benefit of the prospect &amp; their volume without doing their part. Their part is helping in building that prospect’s team. If not then it will just build resentment from the prospect towards the person you placed them under. Also, as has been noted you don’t want your downline to think you’ll do it all for them. They don’t learn anything that way. <O:P></O:P>


So how do you make it fair to your directs as to who you place where? You can’t always. These are your prospects &amp; this is for the benefit of your business so you should only place them underneath them if it makes sense. You’ll have to work out for yourself what system you use. Obviously, you can’t place people who may not get along under one another but other than that it’s hard to say. Maybe you have them do certain things to be eligible for a prospect placement. I know of one girl in a company who will let her team know when she has a prospect. She calls them all &amp; tells them about the prospect. For them to be eligible to have her place the prospect under them they have to bring her a couple of prospects for themselves. It gets them into activity for themselves &amp; is great motivation. Like I said, you have to decide for yourself how you’ll determine who gets the placement.


There's arguments or &amp; against it. You just have to decide what's best for you. smileys/smiley1.gifBy the way tootsie, what did you do?





*Edited to add that sometimes doing what’s best for your business means sacrificing what’s best for you right now. I prospected a cousin of mine who is in another state. He is on board &amp; is going to be fanfreakingtastic. One of those people I expect to be RVP in 6 months. I am placing him under someone who is a 4<SUP>th</SUP> generation to me. Why? B/c that IC is his cousin &amp; her sponsor is their aunt. So I pulled the aunt in early &amp; she sat in on the calls I did with him. Does this hurt me right now? Yes. I am very heavy in that leg so the last thing I need is to add someone to it. It’s just the right thing to do. Also we are a team &amp; this is what is best for the overall health of the team. I know that in the long run it’s going to help me a lot more. For me personally it’s much more important for me to do right by all of us. It's what being a leader is about.Edited by: Soonergirl74

Tootsie


Congratulations! 6 BB's, that's great! Are you following the Results system with the gold bags and if you are how many are people getting to pass out? Are these already people you know?


Metoo

I thought it didn't matter if one of your directs doesn't blossom b/c the person under them would become your 1st generation??? For example, A is direct to me. Her friend B wants to start so I place B direct to A. Now, A stops doing the business and B becomes a DM. Now B passes by A and becomes my first generation DM. Right?? Soif A gets motivated and makes it to DM, then A would be my 1st generation DM and B my second. Have I confused everyone??smileys/smiley5.gifsmileys/smiley2.gifThis is how I understood the manual. Arbonne only rewards those that are actually working. You can't sit back and do nothing but profit b/c you have bbs working hard underneath you.

Barbara-


That is how I understand it works also.

Hey, I wonder if Tootsie is around any longer? This threadwas from back in August! Wonder what ever happened smileys/smiley25.gif

Ha! Thats funny. I wonder what she decided to do...

Barbara, you're right. That's exactly how it works. So you don't have to worry about B working harder than A.


The only time it might bite you in the behind is if they both go DM but you don't have another leg that has a DM. At that point you won't get paid on B until you get another DM in the other leg. We always want to try to set ourselves up to be as wide as we are deep.

I certainly don't have this problem yet but it would seem that one of the pitfalls of working too wide is that there isn't enough of you to go around. From the majority of succcess stories I have heard/read and trining I have listened to the key is to train your 4-6 and help them train their 4-6 and be there to help train those 4-6 (if needed, usually not so much) and then look for more to add to your direct successline. Obviously if you are working your biz too, you will find others in the process. I would happily put someone under someone else to help train and motivate that leg. Of course it would be under someone who was working their biz consistently and it would also depend on the prospect &amp; if it would be a good fit for them. There surely are a lot of variables that come into play.

There sure are. I have a very wide SuccessLine, but most of them aren't working the business or are just getting started. My bus builder legs are going to town, two in particular. I find I have to sponsor 4-5 $100 consultants to find one business builder, and even then many don't 'get it' right away. So I do training meetings for the ones that do get it,and THEIR Successlinesand work individually via email, phone calls and one-on-ones with the ones that are just ramping up. So, with two busy working legs, and a lot of wholesale buyers, I still need to look for 2 more legs to get moving as my two current legs start getting to the point of autonomy.

My mom is under me &amp; my sis is under her, both con. My sis is really working it and is going for dm. Will my sis pass my mom and become under me then? I solost on this still.smileys/smiley5.gif

Hey ladies,


we are not working arbonne at this time. we have a family business &amp; we decided to expand it. we still believe in the products &amp; will cont to order however at this time it just wasnt working out for us. all of my team either experienced some sort of set back in there life or just decided not to work it as a business even before i made my decision.


if i was doing it again i would not put people under people. the 1st person i did this for never never tried to get anyone else &amp; the person i placed under them signed up several people so that leg kinda grew fast. once again however these folks are not working it as a busness only buying occassionaly. i made it to dm basically alone &amp; then didnt have the sells coming in to maintain. i did it also the wrong way. i bought alot of product myself &amp; i would never ever do that again. i'm still paying off a credit card bill &amp; will for the next year.


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thanks so much &amp; good luck to all with arbonne. the products are wonderful &amp; i love the re9 plus the lipsticks are the bomb, the thermal fusion mask &amp; hair &amp; scalp revialtizeris wonderful(my dad plus several other men order from us because their hair is growing back) my daughters hair grows like crazy since we started using arbonne shampoo &amp; cond &amp; my skin never looked better.My mom has reversed aged 10 years since she began using arbonne products so we really do believe &amp; love the products.


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