posted March 22, 2005 03:15 PM
Are you looking for information on Liberty League International? Are you confused about the opportunity? Are you looking for insight to this company and its' opportunity?
This Topic Post can help.
I am in Liberty League and decided to start this topic thread so that it is available to anyone who is looking for information. I do not post my name or number -NOR- am I trying to recruit you.
I enjoy chatting this way and have been responding to other threads within WAHM and thought it would be good to centralize this topic.
BTW, you will see posts in this thread and others that are sometimes wolves in sheep's clothing or just blatant attempts to steer you to someone else's opportunity. Beware of anyone who uses this unethical tactic.
We will always give you straight answers ... even if it hurts. I have been in several businesses over the years and managed other companies and I strongly believe in the truth and being ethical in everything you do!
[This message has been edited by Tbird (edited March 22, 2005).]
posted March 22, 2005 04:58 PM
Tbird, thanks for a professional and logical step in providing accurate information. I think this thread can be educational for people who are looking for solid information on Liberty League International and not alot of hype.
If the posts (and possible, subsequent comparisons to other businesses which may arise) are presented in a factual, logical and professional way....it might be one of the best ways for someone to get their questions answered.
Additionally, on my return from Cancun, I set up a Blog for a candid observation of Liberty League's products, events, pay plan, support structure, etc.
posted March 22, 2005 05:15 PM
Ahh, what a refreshing change! I too am sick of the bashing going on within the boards. People are often attracted to my posts because I do nothing of the sort.
WHile I am with a competitor company I was with LLI at one time. The highest position one can go, and yes I did have success. LLI works if you work the system. The only reason why I moved on was because I wanted something more automated.
I got over a big hurdle in LLI, getting over a deservence issue disguised as phone fear. It took going to the conferences and meeting like minded people (and those a little more advanced than me in personal development) that helped me to see the light. For that, I am forever greatful.
I am only posting to let people know systems work... no matter how advanced or basic, as long as you work them correctly. There are a lot of bitter people out there and my guess is they didn't join the business for the right reason, failed and now need someone to blame cause they aren't strong enough to blame themselves.
I represent Emerald Passport and would be happy to explain the few differences between the companies. (based on working the business, not on hearsay which you will often find on the boards). If you are seriously interested in a change, the gentlemen above are excellent people to join with. I have seen them on the boards for some time and they both carry themselves professionally and the integrity beams through.
posted March 23, 2005 06:06 AM
TBird, Thanks for taking the opportunity to offer people interested in LLI a place to get some quality information so they can make an informed decision.
So may people are bombarded with information about LLI from these boards. People looking for a business opportunity suited to their needs do themselves a huge injustice when they take the advice of angry or vindictive people via many of these message boards. Unfortunately, many times the negative words of a few based on their personal beliefs and experiences can over-shadow all the positive happenings that many people experince with Liberty League and similar opportunities.
For everyone who is considering joining Liberty League, use these boards to your advantage. This is where you will find regular people who are involved with Liberty League who are having success. Ask us questions, find out how we got to where we are at today. It is that simple. We consider ourselves leaders in this business and this business is setup where all you have to do is follow the leader. That is how I have been successful and I'm sure that most if not all accomplished members of Liberty League have found success this way.
This is your opportunity to take advantage of all of our knowledge. Don't let it pass you by. I'm am excited that people will have an opportunity to get quality information about our business. This business has changed the quality of my life in such a short period of time and in such a profound way. People need to understand that this can be possible for them as well. It's truly a choice.
I will be more than happy to answer questions and mentor in order to teach you how to be successful in Liberty League.
posted March 24, 2005 01:25 PM
I have been contacted by several people off of this board and am happy to speak to anyone in search of additonal information about Liberty Leaguy. I like TBird am not trying to recruit anyone into Liberty League, just trying to answer unanswered questions. I had a ton of them before I got involved so I understand exactly where most individuals are coming from. Please feel free to email me: amyp2626@hotmail.com. I will be happy to spend as much time with you as you need.
posted March 24, 2005 02:10 PM
In light of the fact that this thread was started as a discussion specifically targeted to answering questions about Liberty League....
....I think it's interesting that people have already started to use this thread as a forum to pitch their own businesses by claiming that theirs is better.
Interesting.
Tony Rush
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posted April 01, 2005 10:39 AM
Wow Tony, I love your video of the conference in Cancun.
All I can say is you must have too much free time on your hands to put that together! I guess when you have to work full time in this business ... all 25 hours, it leaves you with time to have fun, spend with family, and be creative.
posted April 01, 2005 12:18 PM
LOL -- thanks for the kind words. Actually you'd be surprised how easy it was. I got a digital camcorder for Christmas and it was the simplest thing in the world to move all the Cancun video to the laptop and then use video software to piece it together. The software did all the hard stuff.
Cancun was a blast -- I can't wait til Puerto Rico. BTW, have you seen the pics of the place we're going in Whistler, B.C. in December? It looks like a castle.
posted April 01, 2005 06:08 PM
Joyce, have you seen anyone making a "pitch"? I haven't.
I certainly hope you're not going to start the same antics here that you did at MLM.com.
This particular thread is an opportunity for people to ask questions and for LLI associates to chat. If you want to bash Liberty League, there are plenty enough other threads on WAHM to do that.
posted April 01, 2005 07:52 PM
I have been around WAHM for many years, long before I went to MLM.com.
I think my expertise in business qualifies me to give my opinions here on many topics.
So when it's relevant I will continue to do so.
And if anyone wants to see my business credentials I am happy to provide them. None of them are directly related to MLM or other company that I profit from on the Web.
That puts me in a position of being objective and a few people appreciate here appreciate that.
Trying to discredit me personally is a tactic that has been used by people with an agenda.
I don't see anyone much interested in this topic and I hope they continue to do their homework outside the distributor organization before they do.
posted April 02, 2005 03:04 AM
Greetings from Australia!
I've recently come accross LLI and i am interested in this whole concept.
I've already done the conference call etc. I've also read the 2 links mentioned above.
My main question is this. Is it possible to run this business from Australia? What about setting up a banking account? Setting up a street address would be ok (www.myus.com)
Are there any plans for LLI to expand internationally?
If not, and it is not possible, or viable to run this business from Australia are there any other good alternatives that can be run from Australia?
posted April 02, 2005 05:50 AM
Yes, yes, Joyce, we're familiar with your enormous business experience despite the fact that your experience is unrelated to MLM, network marketing or any type of "sponsoring business". Last I heard, you were an Ebay gal.
Thanks for the link to the BBB. At least it provides some fodder for a discussion. Most people don't know what the BBB is.
They're not a regulatory agency. And, unless one is a member, they don't post positive information companies.
Secondly, I can guess the nature of the BBB issues regarding refunds: I'll bet $1,000 right now that they're people who let their refund period go by and then requested a refund too late to be valid. So they called the BBB to complain.
If someone is unhappy with their course purchase, they have three full days to review the course, watch the DVD, listen to the CDs, look through the workbook, journaling system, etc. to decide if they want to keep it.
If they return their course within those 3 days, they get a full and complete refund.
The BBB issue stems from people who requested a refund past their refund period and then demanded the company to refund the full price.
Why should the company refund the full price? -- why should they refund $1,500 to someone when they only received $495 for the sale?
I hope that clarifies the so-called "BBB issue" for you.
posted April 02, 2005 06:49 AM
A sales pitch is a sales pitch, the longer the post defending it, the harder the pitch.
Red flags are red flags, people should investigate them no matter the explanation from a distributor.
It's a lot of money to invest for a questionable product. Those who will do it will do it. Most around here will not.
Making it about me and personal is another smoke screen sales tactic. It's unprofessional and shows the degree a distributor is willing to go to for new recrits.
A balanced look at these kind of opportunities should be done before anyone makes that kind of investment.
quote:A sales pitch is a sales pitch, the longer the post defending it, the harder the pitch.
Nice bear trap. You seek to imply that any response is a pitch as opposed to what this is: a discussion about Liberty League for people who have questions.
Besides, I'm still looking for the original pitch....lol
quote:It's a lot of money to invest for a questionable product. Those who will do it will do it. Most around here will not.
And I have no problem with that. But, at least they will have both sides of the issue and plenty of signposts they can refer to for more information.
As an aside, 'alot of money' is totally dependent on someone's budget. If someone thinks that $1,500 is 'too much money' to invest in a business that pays this kind of income, then -- you're absolutely right -- this isn't going to be their cup of tea.
quote:Making it about me and personal is another smoke screen sales tactic.
No, I was just pointing out what's always been true about you: you enjoy offering opinions about MLM, network marketing or other direct sales opportunities....but you've never successfully built an organization in any of these types of businesses. Don't you think that's a valid point to bring up when you come here to throw darts at something you apparently haven't educated yourself about?
quote:A balanced look at these kind of opportunities should be done before anyone makes that kind of investment.
No, I think a balanced look should be taken before anyone makes ANY kind of investment. Whether someone is interested in getting involved in a nutritional company for $50 or a multi-million dollar personal development business for $1,500, I think they should do their due diligence to make sure of their decision.
I think every person getting involved in a direct-sales business should approach the decision as though they had at least $100,000 riding on the decision. This would cause people to take their decisions seriously and approach it as a business and not as a hobby.
posted April 04, 2005 07:27 AM
Actually the fault is mine, not Joyce's. I omitted the word "opinions" and went back and edited it. Joyce had already replied.
I've tired of replying to Joyce on this issue. Her attitude and position here is the same as it was at MLM.com . She detests the direct sales industry but can't stay away from conversations about it.
posted April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Another Correction: I love the direct sales industry and have been involved in it for years (not all direct sales have to do with MLM).
I have reasearched the MLM industry for over 20 years and always believed it has potential
When done right.
I give solid business advice which applies across industries.
People who have success in MLM also practice solid business practices--not MLM hype. They investigate, look at their options and the company's background and track record before they get involved.
Perhaps these people should be invited to mlm.com for more targeted conversations.
People deserved a balanced look at opportunities.
Joyceb
[This message has been edited by joycejj (edited April 04, 2005).]
How would we ever know whether BBB actually asked for info or what they meant by "basic info"?
I assume if they wanted "basic info" - LLI website is enough...or get it from a person having a problem.
When you buy a product from any company you should print out their terms/rules section. It's a valid contract. They have to live by it. Then you could send it to BBB and ask for advise on how to handle a problem.
If they even care, they should go to a conference call, listen and even ask questions if they wish!
Or perhaps LLI did not agree to "pay a fee" to be included as a member of BBB.
BBB is a funny animal. They call all new and old businesses in the area and offer an inclusion in BBB...for a fee. If you reject an offer...you refused to send basic info!
The same happens when someone calls in to BBB with questions about some business. BBB calls that business and suggests membership in BBB ...for a fee.
posted April 17, 2005 04:52 PM
Not true..When the BBB receives a complaint they notifiy the company, the company may then answer the complaint and let the BBB know how or if it's been resolved.
It has nothing to do with whether they belong to the BBB.
If a company refuses or doesn't bother to answer the complaint, that is the way it goes on record.
Responsible companies are happy to respond to the complaints and clear the air.
posted April 17, 2005 05:46 PM
I think the BBB issue has been discussed enough that everyone knows what the issue is. Liberty League International offers a unconditional money-back guarantee on the product. The BBB is a "for profit" business who solicits membership under the guise of providing an arena for reconciliation. Many businesses have chosen not to participate in their program.
But, onto other things.
Zorro, if you're looking for information on Liberty League International, you can start in a number of places. You can visit the corporate site here and you can also visit the Liberty League Blog as well.
posted April 18, 2005 07:47 PM
I was just wondering something. Assume that there are 100000 people that are interested in LLI. If you start with 10 people that are signing up others for this "product", then that means there are now 100 people. If all of them sign up 10 people, now there are 1000 people. If you keep going, you get to 100000 pretty quick. What happens after that? Who are the new people to sign up for this "business"? Take any starting number you want, but won't you run out of people after a few iterations? This is just basic college algebra, are there really people that fall for this? Man, I need to start coming up with "businesses" that take advantage of the stupidity of desperate people. Last I checked, you needed a renewable product to make money, otherwise you exhaust the base. Of course, the people at the top don't care, they go on to another "business" while the ones at the bottom try to figure out how to survive the impending bankrupcy. Where do I sign up? Oh yeah, I am not an idiot, I don't want to sign up, I prefer to work hard and make money legitimately, not working off the fears of desperate people. Go working mothers! (Real workers )
posted April 19, 2005 06:08 AM
the biggest red flag to me, is the "product".... I can't find anywhere what the "product" actually is!?!?!?! That alone tells me to stay away, not showing "price" of so called "product" tells me to run away.
quote:I was just wondering something. Assume that there are 100000 people that are interested in LLI. If you start with 10 people that are signing up others for this "product", then that means there are now 100 people. If all of them sign up 10 people, now there are 1000 people. If you keep going, you get to 100000 pretty quick. What happens after that? Who are the new people to sign up for this "business"? Take any starting number you want, but won't you run out of people after a few iterations? This is just basic college algebra, are there really people that fall for this? Man, I need to start coming up with "businesses" that take advantage of the stupidity of desperate people. Last I checked, you needed a renewable product to make money, otherwise you exhaust the base. Of course, the people at the top don't care, they go on to another "business" while the ones at the bottom try to figure
Joe, it appears that you have some real misconceptions about the concept of geometric progression. Your math is 100% correct...but your logic is faulty.
No one is teaching "get 10 people who get 10 people who get 10 people". That's an amateurish sales pitch by people who don't understand how marketing works in real life.
Further, this has nothing to do with Liberty League. Liberty League International isn't an MLM program. When I enroll someone into LLI, no one makes a dime but me. That's very different from an MLM where an entire upline is sharing the commission.
Your core question is one of saturation. Saturation rarely exists in any business except in small geographical situations. Take a look at any business model and find one that has reached their maximum marketing potential.
Heck, for that matter, take a look at Christianity. If the math you presented were true, wouldn't everyone in the world be a Christian? And yet there are still millions of people in the world who have never heard of Jesus Christ.
No, saturation isn't a problem. It's only a fantasy on paper.
quote:the biggest red flag to me, is the "product".... I can't find anywhere what the "product" actually is!?!?!?! That alone tells me to stay away, not showing "price" of so called "product" tells me to run away.
Cas, the entire corporate website is devoted to the products and features more than 2 hours of streaming video that explain them in detail.
Check out the link called "What Is Beyond Freedom" and "Our Conferences". There's also a video on the site for details on the pay plan.
posted April 19, 2005 09:15 AM
I don't know much about LLI but I just went to the website as Tony instructed and I was able to find the product with no problem. It appears to be personal devolpment - what's wrong with that??? Tony Robbins and others sell books, tapes, cd's and seminars all day long, so what's the difference???
Your optimal program consists of the live event with Tony Robbins - plus powerful One-on-One coaching. Diamond, VIP, and Executive level tuition includes one complimentary Breakthrough to Results Coaching Session. Additional Coaching is available for $295/mo.
The different levels are due to where you will be sitting in the auditorium....what is the diffeerence between this and LLI? Do you think Tony Robbins is not in the business to make a profit???
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posted March 22, 2005 03:15 PM
about the opportunity? Are you looking for insight to this company and its' opportunity?
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