posted April 03, 2005 10:13 AM
Can someone please tell me a little more about Emerald Passport. I reall like what I have read so far. My email is isheyow@bellsouth.net. Thanks.
posted April 08, 2005 09:56 PM
I had been looking for over 3 years for something I could do from home that would give me the flexiblilty I wanted and make a better than average income. I looked at many opportunities and finally found a company with a generous compensation plan. I have been working part-time and in the last few months I have made a substantial income. It's easy to get started and easy to work. I'm very excited about this business. You can do it too. Check it out for yourself. Watch this short movie on the business at http://www.makemoneyforu.com. Then call me, I can answer any questions that weren't answered for you and I can show you how we turn the money on and you can decide if it's for you.
posted April 24, 2005 01:25 PM
Re:Liberty League Intl.- IMHO these "opportunities" the Aussie 1-ups and 2-ups are best suited for a certain kind of marketer. NOT MLMrs.
These are built the good old fashioned "dinasaur" style of building popularized in the 80's & 90's by "heavy hitters", where you "recruit, recruit , recruit", and throw enough mud against the wall to see exactly how much will stick!"
I even ran into someone last week that was possibly being "recruited" into LLI by one of the most visable and prominant forum posters around! I spoke to her for an hour or more tring to get an accurate picture of this persons "recruiting style". He was so "secretive" about what he would or wouldn't share with her before she could take the "next step" he offended her intelligence and actually DROVE her AWAY!
I'm sure he grinned to himself as he said "NEXT, dumb rookies!" as he moved on to the next "sucker"/ "amateur".
This guy is pretty proud of himself, he apparently does very well for himself and essentially sees himself as a "heavy hitter" and anyone who isn't sponsoring 20 people a month is a "rank amateur".
I'm curious to see what his next big "opportunity" is next year after this one peters out!
These people that promote these "opportunities" are "recruiting machines" that are tired of the piddly *** tiny commissions they get from their "MLM" companies, my impression is they don't have the patience or team building skills to build a lasting duplicating organization so they align themselves with a comp plan that cracks a HUGE commission 2-5 times a week as they know how to scour through the numbers looking for frustrated MLMrs that see the appeal of a BIG commission once in a while.(They ALL brag too that their opportunity isn't MLM, yet they promote their business and recruit openly on MLM forums vigorously, circling/stalking like lions, looking to crack that 1+k commission! You MLMr's earn peanuts, they chant!!, "Step up to the BIG "player" commissions. RANK AMATEURS ALL OF YOU!"
AGAIN, ask yourself these two CRITICAL questions if your considering these "opportunities", as a "real" business";
1)- Would anyone REALISTICALLY ever purchase this product or service without participating in the income opportunity? (is there a LEGITIMATE product? (NOT just grossly overpriced products that are used as an excuse for paying large commissions out!?) LOOK CLOSELY at the value of the "product" HERE folks!! What is it!?
2)- If ALL the recruiting stopped TODAY, would this company still be able to pay monthly commissions in the months ahead?
Will people continue to purchase the product AFTER the distributor/customer relationship is over and the transaction is complete? Will the customer still buy the product for just the value of the PRODUCT alone? I seriously doubt it.
MLM/Network marketing is a teaching/mentoring business that is based on relationships, teambuilding. Not how big a commission you earn when you enroll someone new! THINK before you ACT.
Get your heads out of the ether.
IMHO, LLI, Coastal, MIM, Emerald etc... All the aussie-up plans are smoke and mirrors! IMHO.
They are for pro "recruiters".
Pass on em. Find a "real" business, with a product you LOVE, that will stand the test of time. Then get to work!
posted May 07, 2005 02:19 PM
Oh, I totally disagree.
I have had way more success in Direct Sales/Aussie 2-Up plans than traditional Network Marketing -- and so have the people I've taught and trained in my marketing techniques.
There are several reasons for this:
1) Higher profit margins. Information products like Emerald Passport International have a greater value and are a one-time cost. While at the same time they offer tremendous value to the consumer. The EPI product is worth $6000. I'll prove it to you too.
2) Aussie 2-Ups attract more business owners and high caliber prospects. People who don't want to nickel and dime with the profit margins in physical products. If you understand business and look carefully at the comp plans in MLM, you'll understand where all the money goes.
3) Automation. Automation is critical, and Emerald Passport has a wonderful movie that does the prospecting and the presenting for me. That leaves the close for you. (No, these program do not eliminate the need to use the phone entirely.)
4) If you look at the stats, a 95% re-order rate means that 5% leave every month. Statistically, that means that 45.9% of your downline will leave during the course of one year. Every single MLM company disguises that figure -- but take a look at your own experience and tell me it's not true.
posted May 08, 2005 08:08 AM
Andrew, I wouldn't waste alot of time on this. Ohein has been going around to all the business forums and copying/pasting this same post to all of them.
In the spirit of Ohein's efficiency, I'll simply copy/paste a response from one of the other boards. He's yet to respond to the holes in his thinking.
quote:ohein said IMHO these "opportunities" these Aussie 1-ups and 2-ups are best suited for a certain kind of marketer/recruiter. NOT MLMrs.
I partially agree. If someone is interested in building a six-figure income over 2-5 years in hopes of building an organization of thousands of people....then you're right. A 2-up program wouldn't be of interest to you.
However, I disagree that it takes a "certain kind of marketer". The process of enrolling someone into a 2-up program is identical to the same methods I used to enroll people into an MLM business. Contrary to what you apparently believe, no persuasion, convincing or special "sales skills" are needed to be successful in a 2-up.
quote:ohein said ..throw enough mud against the wall to see exactly how much will stick!" All the while screaming... NEXT!!
The old "mud against the wall" comment is nothing more than a loaded comment that's designed to evoke a negative emotional reaction. The idea is that it's supposed to make the marketer look like a 'thrower' and the prospects are supposed to look like mud!
Do we go through lots of prospects to find the ones who are serious? Absolutely. And, if you've got a home business of your own, you're doing the same thing.
I guess in YOUR business, though, you like to say you're opening oysters to try to find a pearl, though, huh? Makes it sound more pleasant.....same thing, though.
quote:ohein said 1)- Would anyone REALISTICALLY ever purchase this product or service without participating in the income opportunity? (is there a LEGITIMATE product? (NOT just grossly overpriced products that are used as an excuse for paying large commissions out!?) LOOK CLOSELY at the value of the "product" HERE folks!! What is it!?"
Well, I can't speak for all other people in a 2-up program but, for my response, the answer is a resounding "yes". I've had several people who've purchased the Beyond Freedom Home Study Course who did NOT enroll as Associates.
They paid their money, and two days later the UPS man pulled up with a big box full of CDs, DVD, workbook, journaling system, goal cards, travel binder, etc. Wow! Imagine that! A tangible product!
Given the fact that ALL our customers have 72 hours to review the product and request a refund, I think it's particularly relevant that most people keep their product. I've not issued a refund yet and I've sold dozens of them.
Apparently, these non-participants feel the same as I do: the product is worth every dime they paid for it.
quote:ohein said, 2)- If ALL the recruiting stopped TODAY, would this company still be able to pay monthly commissions in the months ahead?
This is the best evidence that you don't even understand the pay plan. I'm not aware of any 2-up businesses that "pay commissions". And because there are no monthly product purchases, there ARE no "commissions to be paid out monthly".
When someone buys the Beyond Freedom Home Study Course, they pay me directly. I get a check for $1495. I then order their course from the company at the wholesale price. The company ships the product to the customer and they've got a money-back guarantee on the product.
Wow. Just like a real business, huh?
Seriously, Ohein, it sounds like you don't know much about the business that you've taken so much time to attack. Or is it that you're so conditioned to view everthing as MLM that you can't recognize a basic direct sales program when you see one?
quote:Ohein said, Will people continue to purchase the product AFTER the distributor/customer relationship is over and the transaction is complete? Will the customer still buy the product for just the value of the PRODUCT alone? I seriously doubt it.
Given the fact that the product is NON-CONSUMABLE, I don't see the relevance of your question. This is not an MLM program where people get on "autoship" and continue to buy the same product over and over again.
This is a direct sales company with a built-in referral program. No one makes money unless a customer buys a product.
Again, with all due respect, it doesn't sound like you know much about the business you're criticizing.
When you get the facts on how a 2-up operates, feel free to return and ask questions that are more valid. I don't mean that abrasively. You just seem to have formed your opinion without any real understanding of the product, the pay plan or the actual day-to-day activities of the business.
posted May 19, 2005 03:16 PM
Two up programs are not everyone. At this moment I am with Coastal Vacations and Prosperity Network. I think that people should decide if they want to wait for 2-4 years to see good money coming. I love traveling and saving money and that is why I chose Coastal Vacations. PAS gives me the passive income stream plus it advertises my Coastal Vacations Home Business. I am a customer with the nutritional company Melaleuca and used the products for 3 years. MLM is not for everyone. I hate when people put down MLM companies for monetary gains. I have several friends who had nothing in the past and now they are successful with MLM companies and make money. We are not chasing people around. If they do not want it that is fine. it is all up to them. Yes in some ways it is true the strongest will survive. It is life and if you want to make money you have to work hard no matter if you choose MLM company or direct sales. So please stop accusing direct sales industry and mind your business. If you are happy with MLM why do visit LLI and EPI message boards?
You are asking about the value of products. Will I still buy Coastal Vacations Package or something similar to it? Yes, it benefits my personal life. Every product has different price. If your life depended on certain product like a health product or medication, how much are you willing to pay? If your career depended on good education how much are you willing to pay to get to the top? Again, we should not judge companies and accuse each other just to bring us customers. It is not right and I am sure you would agree with me. So if you need to talk to me call me. I would be happy to talk to you. to see the value of the products I market go to and www.MegaWealthy.com/706 and read about the products. It is all there and nothing to hide.
Thank you for your time. Tatyana 615-859-4769
It will be a lie if you tell some
quote:Originally posted by ohein: Re:Liberty League Intl.- IMHO these "opportunities" the Aussie 1-ups and 2-ups are best suited for a certain kind of marketer. NOT MLMrs.
These are built the good old fashioned "dinasaur" style of building popularized in the 80's & 90's by "heavy hitters", where you "recruit, recruit , recruit", and throw enough mud against the wall to see exactly how much will stick!"
I even ran into someone last week that was possibly being "recruited" into LLI by one of the most visable and prominant forum posters around! I spoke to her for an hour or more tring to get an accurate picture of this persons "recruiting style". He was so "secretive" about what he would or wouldn't share with her before she could take the "next step" he offended her intelligence and actually DROVE her AWAY!
I'm sure he grinned to himself as he said "NEXT, dumb rookies!" as he moved on to the next "sucker"/ "amateur".
This guy is pretty proud of himself, he apparently does very well for himself and essentially sees himself as a "heavy hitter" and anyone who isn't sponsoring 20 people a month is a "rank amateur".
I'm curious to see what his next big "opportunity" is next year after this one peters out!
These people that promote these "opportunities" are "recruiting machines" that are tired of the piddly *** tiny commissions they get from their "MLM" companies, my impression is they don't have the patience or team building skills to build a lasting duplicating organization so they align themselves with a comp plan that cracks a HUGE commission 2-5 times a week as they know how to scour through the numbers looking for frustrated MLMrs that see the appeal of a BIG commission once in a while.(They ALL brag too that their opportunity isn't MLM, yet they promote their business and recruit openly on MLM forums vigorously, circling/stalking like lions, looking to crack that 1+k commission! You MLMr's earn peanuts, they chant!!, "Step up to the BIG "player" commissions. RANK AMATEURS ALL OF YOU!"
AGAIN, ask yourself these two CRITICAL questions if your considering these "opportunities", as a "real" business";
1)- Would anyone REALISTICALLY ever purchase this product or service without participating in the income opportunity? (is there a LEGITIMATE product? (NOT just grossly overpriced products that are used as an excuse for paying large commissions out!?) LOOK CLOSELY at the value of the "product" HERE folks!! What is it!?
2)- If ALL the recruiting stopped TODAY, would this company still be able to pay monthly commissions in the months ahead?
Will people continue to purchase the product AFTER the distributor/customer relationship is over and the transaction is complete? Will the customer still buy the product for just the value of the PRODUCT alone? I seriously doubt it.
MLM/Network marketing is a teaching/mentoring business that is based on relationships, teambuilding. Not how big a commission you earn when you enroll someone new! THINK before you ACT.
Get your heads out of the ether.
IMHO, LLI, Coastal, MIM, Emerald etc... All the aussie-up plans are smoke and mirrors! IMHO.
They are for pro "recruiters".
Pass on em. Find a "real" business, with a product you LOVE, that will stand the test of time. Then get to work!
KLH
[This message has been edited by retirefast (edited January 19, 2006).]
posted September 17, 2005 08:28 PM
Let me tell you about Emerald Passport. The owner of this so called company has terminated so many directors I'm suprised they have anyone left. These terminations are arbitrary and with out notice..you try to log in to your back office one day and your page is gone. You can have $1000s in ads running and EP does not have the courage or common sense to inform you why or when they have kicked you out of the business
Ask the good people at the coastal vacations call center how many current and EX EPIers (board members) are in that program? In total violation of the EPI agreement. Harold (recruited his epi downline for Coastal)Freddie, jason, Patricia who knows who else?....they are allowed to operate without penalty but whenever he feels like it, Sam Logic will terminate whoever he sees fit for whatever reason. In my opinion if you are considering EPI you are playing with fire - high investment - low success rate - and an owner that is in my opinion a paranoid nut job.
posted November 15, 2005 08:39 AM
I have to agree with Andrew Murray here.
I've been a full time web developer and marketer since 1999 and prior to that I was an Information Manager in the US Air Force for 12+ years.
I would not back or support any company I didn't believe in.
I've also earned a bachelor's degree in Social-Psychology and have spent 1000s on self development books, seminars, financial books (you know the ones, the real estate for no money down, stock market, commodities, etc)...
Well let me tell you, this product is, in my opinion, is at least worth 5-7k.
The other part of EPI that I found highly attractive, and in specific the team I'm on, is the level of training and mentorship provided. I've been through rigorous and extensive training in my previous career and educational paths, and again, all I can say is I'm beyond impressed.
Take a look, ask some questions of real people in the business, THEN decide if it's right for you. If you want to find a lot of negativity, well I assure you there is no shortage of that in life. I learned in one of my psychology courses that this human tendency towards negativity stems from 'evolutionary psychology' and it's a thing called 'automatic vigilance'.
It was very useful in man's early days when we needed to see a fraction of the face of a dangerous predator through the bushes, but today it just foster's our lust for bad news, negativity, etc. If you study the most successful people on the planet from a personal and professional perspective, you will find the majority of them have made the shift from negativity to optimism.
If you are ready for that journey, I applaud you. If you need to stay stuck in the mire of negativity, well I wish you the best but will not judge you poorly as I believe we all need to learn things at certain times and right now you are doing exactly what you need to do.
I wish the best for all of you on the journey to finding the perfect business for yourself. It's absolutely worth the trip no matter what you finally decide on. I would never choose to give up the freedom to spend as much time as I want with my family whenever I need to. Life is short, spend it with those you love and doing things you love to do.
- Sean Mitchell
------------------ Make 100-500k a Year - Automated Sys w/Massive Support www.surewaytomakemoney.com ICQ: 233353111 / AIM: seanim99 / MSN: seanim@yahoo.com
posted November 19, 2005 04:54 PM
I believe EPI is a solid company and will be around for a long, long time. It is definitely not for people who are willing to give up on themselves easily and quickly. It's a business for people who see a 6-figure, mulitple 6-figure and 7 figure income potential and are in it for the long haul. I am with EPI for the long haul. I say do your research and due diligence and see if it is for you or not. And if you're serious about changing your life and current circumstances, you'll see it's for you. If not, keep looking and find what is for you.
posted December 11, 2005 09:01 AM
Let me tell you about Emerald Passport. The owner of this so called company has terminated so many directors I'm suprised they have anyone left. These terminations are arbitrary and with out notice..you try to log in to your back office one day and your page is gone. You can have $1000s in ads running and EP does not have the courage or common sense to inform you why or when they have kicked you out of the business
Ask the good people at the coastal vacations call center how many current and EX EPIers (board members) are in that program? In total violation of the EPI agreement. Harold (recruited his epi downline for Coastal)Freddie, jason, Patricia who knows who else?....they are allowed to operate without penalty but whenever he feels like it, Sam Logic will terminate whoever he sees fit for whatever reason. In my opinion if you are considering EPI you are playing with fire - high investment - low success rate - and an owner that is in my opinion a paranoid nut job.
posted December 27, 2005 11:13 AM
When I went looking for an opportunity and was doing my due diligence, I came across Emerald Passport. I liked the marriage between the personal & wealth development products tied to an opportunity to generate a substantial income. What also attracted me was the simple automated system. With limited time on my hands, I wanted a vehicle I could plug into. The system and support with EPI is second to none. If you are coachable, trainable, willing to learn how to be a marketer and follow the system, we can assist you in being successful. I recommend doing your due diligence, digging deep to see if this opportunity is a fit for you or not. If it is, decide to make a change for the better with EPI.
posted March 22, 2006 08:47 AM
I love the new company I am with. Automated system and so much easier to make money than with Liberty League. One lady qualified in 3 days!! All the best, Danyelle http://www.MakeMoneyForU.com
posted April 23, 2006 02:45 PM
Liberty League, EPI too hard for you? Not making any money? You need to take a look at this! http://www.MoreMoneyAndMoreTime.com
[This message has been edited by Homebizness (edited April 23, 2006).]
quote:Originally posted by Homebizness: When I went looking for an opportunity and was doing my due diligence, I came across Emerald Passport. I liked the marriage between the personal & wealth development products, however I found out that it is a hard deal for most people. What I went on to finally find was a company with an automated system. With limited time on my hands, I wanted a vehicle I could plug into. The system and support I've found with this new company is second to none. I am averaging a sale a month. If you are coachable, trainable, willing to learn how to be a marketer and follow the system, we can assist you in being successful. I recommend doing your due diligence, digging deep to see if this opportunity is a fit for you or not. If it is, decide to make a change for the better for you and your family.
posted September 07, 2006 09:26 AM
I firmly believe in the marketplace of today's home based businesses that Emerald Passport stands out as the most well rounded. The opportunity is the most product based. There is a true practical value to the courses one receives with the passport to prosperity. They are the only company that actually allows the customers or potential associate to view the product beforehand so they can see the value in it before they decide to join. That shows they have nothing to hide. All other companies require you to buy it first and then you have 72 hours to get your money back. Good Luck. The EPI product is extremely practical. Some courses in real estate or Forex training on the marketplace go for thousands of dollars. EPI gives you a lot more bang for your buck when you add the Negotiation courses, the Entrepreneurship courses, and everything else in there. Emerald Passport also has a user friendly system. Since this is Direct Sales and a people business nothing is fully automated. Anything that is fully automated is usually selling dreams and hot air. I have had lay down sales with EPI, but most sales do require being the leader that people are looking for. I do not sugar coat anything for my associates. This business takes commitment, consistency, and effort. Promising sales for no work, or "6 minutes a week" is hogwash. Now on the other hand there are other companies out there that require massive phone work such as Liberty League. With EPI the phone work is not as bad. Just push people through the system and build the pipeline, use the websites and tools made available to you. It is a numbers game. I believe you can make money with any opportunity. If you hone your skills, become a good marketer, and believe in what your are selling. If you are looking for quick riches then your better off buying a lottery ticket. But if you are willing to do the work you will become successful. I am looking for 10 proven leaders to join me in this endeavor this fall. I aspire to earn 6 figures a month and am working my way towards that goal. If you are a leader looking for a great oppty that you can feel proud to promote then please contact me with your questions. I will do whatever I can to assist you in become a Director as soon as possible I want everyone to succeed. The question you need to ask yourself is do you really want success and are you willing to work hard at it. I have found many associates via message boards and think it is an outstanding way to meet other like minded people. If you are like me and ready to hit a home run this fall as it is the best season for this industry then contact me and let me assist. All the best and Let's go Mets!
posted September 15, 2006 10:19 AM
I am a Phase 2 Director with Emerald Passport. I am looking to sell this position in the business as I never fully gave EPI a shot and have many other personal and business endeavors I need to focus my energy on. This is a fully qualified Phase 2 position with the TOP DOG IN THE DIRECT SALES INDUSTRY. This company is growing like wild fire. THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW, THE FALL SEASON IS WHERE YOU WILL CASH IN !
They have a great product, an easy system, and a compensation plan that can produce the $20,000 a month you are looking for. Forget about PAS which has zero product and is way oversaturated ( look at craigslist) , or Liberty League which is so much phone work. I still firmly believe that anyone can make a lot of money with EPI, I am just the 1% of America who has their dream job and do not have the time to devote to it.
Usually to get involved with EPI it would cost you 1295 for Phase 1 and 5995 for Phase 2. You would then have to pass up two sales on each level which would mean you would be losing A MINIMUM of at least 11k in commissions. I am looking to sell this position for 5000! Well BELOW the cost of you coming in at Phase 1 and Phase 2. You basically are getting Phase 1 free!! You would have access to the Phase 1 product, but if you wanted to attend the next Phase 2 conference you would have to pay the 1495 wholesale price ( not the 5995 retail)
If you are seriously considering joining Emerald Passport and have debated whether you should. Here is your chance. This business is easily transferable and you will be able to do with it what you like ( a friend of the family who is a lawyer has agreed). You will be saving yourself the time and the headache to get qualified, and all the money will from future sales will go immediately to you. You will not have to spend money marketing for someone else's gain! If you are interested please contact me so I give you more details. The asking price for this fully qualified business again is $5000. Well worth the investment as this home based business is the best in the industry!! Why buy a franchise for tens of thousands when you can make more money doing this. This is perfect for the industry veteran who has a downline he can make a lot of money right away!
Please email me right away! epibiz4sale@hotmail.com
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posted April 03, 2005 10:13 AM
